The Tottenham Project - The Postecoglou Edition

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This thread is about the possible and what the club needs to do in all aspects of its operations to get to the elite level, where competing for honours is a regular occurrence.

This is the Postecoglou Edition of the Tottenham Hotspur Project because that is where we are and that is what we need to be focussed on.

This thread is not for game day histrionics or knee jerk reactions of any kind, positive or negative. In fact, it would likely be a good idea not to post here right after a game, win or lose.

I opened with the financial statements because the 2023 statements are imminent. Financially we are very competitive and that is only improving. The underpinning necessary for a consistently elite team is in place. And because of the club’s debt structure, we are in much better shape than many other clubs. United’s interest costs just tripled.

Scott Munn is beginning to step forward into the limelight. This gives more of an indication that Levy truly has stepped back and I think now that the Kane situation is resolved this is going to be a much more regular occurrence. I also think the club wants to telegraph that point to the world in general. We a run as a business now, not a mum and pop shop. And a very successful business at that.

A league wide re-emerging trend is to allow managers time to develop and acquire what they need. Arteta and Ten Haag are evidence of this, Postecoglou should be allowed the same licence. 2 years ago Arsenal supporters wanted Arteta’s head, United’s fans are starting to see the Ten Haag light. There is absolutely no reason that someone who has won as much as Postecoglou has should not be given a chance to change the course of Tottenham Hotspur history.

And let us not forget Postecoglou took the job when many wouldn’t. He’s taken as much a risk for his career and legacy as the club has in hiring him. In my opinion, he deserves a decent amount of respect and time just for that.

Personally, I think bringing Paratici back officially would be a great move by the club. I also think, much as many do, that we need at least 3 more windows to build a real powerhouse.

Where we finish this season is irrelevant as long as we see improvement, I agree with our manager on this. What we do next year will be important, but it is the year after that that really matters. This doesn’t mean that the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat won’t be a daily factor in our lives, but a longer term perspective truly matters. We have the money to build. And that needs the right people to allocate it. We are there, or close to it.

Gary’s Rating System and stat tracking are a good perspective of the trend of the team. Things are trending well. It would be good to remember that even when there are aberrant results. I use the season long stats as a benchmark. It may mask the inconsistencies, but it does show an upward trend.

That we need to strengthen the squad is inherent in what we are doing and specific player conversations can be left for the Player Thread or the Transfer thread.

There are those that believe that Postecoglou is not the man to take us forward. That is a perfectly reasonable position. However, this thread is definitely not for you as it is the Postecoglou Edition. So, until a manager is hired that you think will move us forward………….

Anyway, rational and cogent discussions are welcomed.
 
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This thread is about the possible and what the club needs to do in all aspects of its operations to get to the elite level, where competing for honours is a regular occurrence.

This is the Postecoglou Edition of the Tottenham Hotspur Project because that is where we are and that is what we need to be focussed on.

This thread is not for game day histrionics or knee jerk reactions of any kind, positive or negative. In fact, it would likely be a good idea not to post here right after a game, win or lose.

I opened with the financial statements because the 2023 statements are imminent. Financially we are very competitive and that is only improving. The underpinning necessary for a consistently elite team is in place. And because of the club’s debt structure, we are in much better shape than many other clubs. United’s interest costs just tripled.

Scott Munn is beginning to step forward into the limelight. This gives more of an indication that Levy truly has stepped back and I think now that the Kane situation is resolved this is going to be a much more regular occurrence. I also think the club wants to telegraph that point to the world in general. We a run as a business now, not a mum and pop shop. And a very successful business at that.

A league wide re-emerging trend is to allow managers time to develop and acquire what they need. Arteta and Ten Haag are evidence of this, Postecoglou should be allowed the same licence. 2 years ago Arsenal supporters wanted Arteta’s head, United’s fans are starting to see the Ten Haag light. There is absolutely no reason that someone who has won as much as Postecoglou has should not be given a chance to change the course of Tottenham Hotspur history.

And let us not forget Postecoglou took the job when many wouldn’t. He’s taken as much a risk for his career and legacy as the club has in hiring him. In my opinion, he deserves a decent amount of respect and time just for that.

Personally, I think bringing Paratici back officially would be a great move by the club. I also think, much as many do, that we need at least 3 more windows to build a real powerhouse.

Where we finish this season is irrelevant as long as we see improvement, I agree with our manager on this. What we do next year will be important, but it is the year after that that really matters. This doesn’t mean that the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat won’t be a daily factor in our lives, but a longer term perspective truly matters. We have the money to build. And that needs the right people to allocate it. We are there, or close to it.

Gary’s Rating System and stat tracking are a good perspective of the trend of the team. Things are trending well. It would be good to remember that even when there are aberrant results. I use the season long stats as a benchmark. It may mask the inconsistencies, but it does show an upward trend.

That we need to strengthen the squad is inherent in what we are doing and specific player conversations can be left for the Player Thread or the Transfer thread.

There are those that believe that Postecoglou is not the man to take us forward. That is a perfectly reasonable position. However, this thread is definitely not for you as it is the Postecoglou Edition. So, until a manager is hired that you think will move us forward………….

Anyway, rational and cogent discussions are welcomed.
Some sound logic 80, welcome back. The only point I would take to task, and I acknowledge I keep banging on about this, is that 'improvement' should not be assessed against last season, which for many reasons Conte, is not a valid benchmark for assessment purposes.
 
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Some sound logic 80, welcome back. The only point I would take to task, and I acknowledge I keep banging on about this, is that 'improvement' should not be assessed against last season, which for many reasons Conte, is not a valid benchmark for assessment purposes.

What other baseline is credible?
 
What other baseline is credible?
I'm fully in agreement with what I think is 80's underlying message Ex, being that the Club is in as good a shape, better probably, as far as infra structure, finance etc than maybe ever before,, which in turn translates into an ongoing improvement and investment in playing personnel, and hopefully the accompanying results.
From a results and playing perspective however I think it has become too easy to overlook the fact that only two years ago we put in a terrific end of season, culminating in a seasonal total of 71 points, fourth place and CL qualification. I firmly believe that that is our benchmark, and not what happened to us last season.
 
I'm fully in agreement with what I think is 80's underlying message Ex, being that the Club is in as good a shape, better probably, as far as infra structure, finance etc than maybe ever before,, which in turn translates into an ongoing improvement and investment in playing personnel, and hopefully the accompanying results.
From a results and playing perspective however I think it has become too easy to overlook the fact that only two years ago we put in a terrific end of season, culminating in a seasonal total of 71 points, fourth place and CL qualification. I firmly believe that that is our benchmark, and not what happened to us last season.
That's a fair baseline, especially if you take a holistic view of what happened the following season...
 
I'm fully in agreement with what I think is 80's underlying message Ex, being that the Club is in as good a shape, better probably, as far as infra structure, finance etc than maybe ever before,, which in turn translates into an ongoing improvement and investment in playing personnel, and hopefully the accompanying results.
From a results and playing perspective however I think it has become too easy to overlook the fact that only two years ago we put in a terrific end of season, culminating in a seasonal total of 71 points, fourth place and CL qualification. I firmly believe that that is our benchmark, and not what happened to us last season.

I'm also good with this. The financial pattern supports it as well i.e. when the stadium, COVID recovery cashflow model really started to kick in. It didn't just start when we got the Kane cash. It was at least 2 years earlier and there should have been a positive trend from 21/22 to 22/23 seasons. In terms of numbers (in Euros) here is our spend vs money recouped (transfermarkt.co.uk).

19/20 - 150 vs 64
20/21 - 111 vs 13
21/22 - 96 vs 35
22/23 - 178 vs 39
23/24 - 272 vs 121

Ange may have landed after a Conte meltdown, but what he inherited was better than what Poch was left with and all of Jose, Nuno and Conte had to work with.

What we get to find out is whether Ange is up to being a manager in the world's toughest league. I genuinely hope he is.
 
It is stating the obvious, but we are in a competitive league where at least half a dozen clubs have the financial muscle to come out on top or win cups. Next year and every year thereafter will be no different to this; we must take opportunities when others struggle. This year is not irrelevant. The golden opportunity to qualify for the top club competition cannot be dismissed so easily, as there can be no guarantee of future success despite the investment. It's sport, not business: there can only be one winner in any competition, and the rest will not be waving us through. However we finish this season, Ange will rightly be given another year as per his contract. Qualify for CL, and an extension will be forthcoming I'm sure. Miss out, and the clock will be ticking.
 
It is stating the obvious, but we are in a competitive league where at least half a dozen clubs have the financial muscle to come out on top or win cups. Next year and every year thereafter will be no different to this; we must take opportunities when others struggle. This year is not irrelevant. The golden opportunity to qualify for the top club competition cannot be dismissed so easily, as there can be no guarantee of future success despite the investment. It's sport, not business: there can only be one winner in any competition, and the rest will not be waving us through. However we finish this season, Ange will rightly be given another year as per his contract. Qualify for CL, and an extension will be forthcoming I'm sure. Miss out, and the clock will be ticking.

Will the clock be ticking? This club is still damaged from the last two managers and Levy. I doubt Munn will be so quick to cast Ange aside for good sporting and business reasons.
 
As you say if he can put bums on seats he'll be retained.

I'm not a fan of Ange ball though. It's like candy floss & ice cream. He's all sauce & no substance.