The system is needed but still doesn't work

kefkat

kefkat

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I read this with tears rolling down my face this morning for this couple. The baby should never have been put up for adoption until the couple were found guilty. Innocent until proven guilty in such a personal highly charged case, is still no in this country and from the people ''who should know better''

Stats, budgets, timescales, open and shut cases: bugar the child the parents as long as we can do a quick turn over. Another child's life emotionally rocked when she is old enough to understand, devastated parents living without their child because of social services.

I take on board, the hospital wanted to be sure and were doing prevention work. However as ever S.S jump the gun. The baby should never have been adopted to case proven. What a surprise the child turns out to have Von Willebrands II. A disease. I wonder fi the adopted parents are told!!!

No winners in this case. Social Services: if nothing changes nothing changes. As I said the system is needed, the system doesn't work. They leave children with parents they shouldn't, they take children into care they shouldn't. OK I get the need to be cautious, in the case, however where are the checks etc.

Yeah I have my own story with the system. We came out the other side. We are 1 of few that did. Yes I can still have healthy anger now, towards them, which is another part of what also spurs me on to help others in various ways, through the various services

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Parents Vow To Get 'Stolen' Baby Back

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Karrissa Cox and Richard Carter are cleared of harming their baby, three years after the child was taken away and then adopted.

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The parents of a baby taken into care and adopted have vowed to fight until their "last breath" to be reunited with their child after a court cleared them of abuse.

Karrissa Cox and Richard Carter were found not guilty of causing injury to their baby more than three years after they took the infant to hospital.

The baby was bleeding from the mouth.

Doctors also found bruising on the baby's body and "healing fractures" on an X-ray and feared that it had been abused.

They recommended the child be taken into care by social services, which later found adoptive parents following a ruling of abuse by the family courts.

Now, after being cleared of any charges, the parents have said they plan to launch a legal battle to overturn the adoption.

Cont: http://news.sky.com/story/1566481/parents-vow-to-get-stolen-baby-back
 
That is a terrible experience kefkat. No parent should lose their child until the situation is crystal clear and proved beyond any doubt.
 
If only some of these social workers were up to the mark in dealing with Baby P and the likes, or in Rotherham and other places. I suppose in this case it was a easy job for the SS. It's at times like this when I ask, are there any good social workers.
 
Those that are any good Lord Ron, get out of the job as they can't hack what goes on, in the system. They try and do their best for the family and child and get disciplined etc. for not doing the job on timescales and open and shut cases. In other words, trying to keep the family together, reunite the family etc.

I could write a book and them and you couldn't make up the stuff that goes on in the system. We are talking about childrens lives here.
 
Sad sad disgusting, and very worrying for whats going on and ending up like in this system, there needs to be no doubt whatsoever,

My cousen Kerry is facing massive troubles with her youngest Alfie, Kerry is quiet and about 38 now, Alfie is around 7 and has this thing since he was young he tells lies and makes things up, we all know this anyway over the past few years she has had the social workers at her house cos Alfie told the teacher he was ''stabbed'' in his shoulder by a fork and had to be operated on, Now if you was a teacher and knew Alfie made stuff up wouldn't you check his shoulder at the very least or realise the kid has been at school all the time BUT NO the teacher phoned the police and my cousen had to show them his shoulder and prove he has not been stabbed, the social workers nearly took Alfie away ffs

Many other things have been happening like he said a while back his daddy was in the army ok that is correct but that his daddy made bombs at home,,,,,guess what the police ended up round my cousens home raiding it and Alfie again was threatend to be taken away,

the latest event was last week, he told the teachers his dad and his mates have guns and daddies is at home and he plays with the real gun and real bullets,,,,guess what police raided my cousens house in Tividale where she lives saying ''code green'' or something as they raided her house with a swat like team ffs, and the social workers appearing,

Now is this right? The teachers all know Alfie by now but yet they still keep contacting the police every time he makes stuff up without a thought for his family and the social workers have been a nightmare aswell to my cousen, where is the common sense gone today?

Feckin mental ay it!
 
That's bad Clive. I know they have a duty of care, however by now you would think the teachers and childrens services would be asking for tests on Alfie because of his lieing. There is usually some hidden illness with a child doing stuff like that.

If you think thats bad Clive, the stories I could regale you off my case would make your hair stand on end! I had 3 upheld complaints against Social Services. Getting 1 complaint upheld against them is a degree on it's own, as they just white wash complaints away. They weren't doing that to us.

I fought and I fought in the appropriate ways. They hated me cos I didn't fit the stereo type of what they were used to and had a brain to fight them in the right way. I could pull their papers apart and had them in bits more times then I can recount.

We had a case against Social Services but my youngsters would have had to take it when they were 18. Nice little way to get out of it,, as I couldn't bring it. Only my youngsters. How the freak do I put my youngsters through explaining all to them what was going on behind the scenes etc.

One thing I sure know. They will never forget me. You could mention my name to them now and they would still shudder and remember us.

My persistence, bloody mindedness and will got the social worker removed from social work and on to admin as she wasn't fit to be in one as well.

I don't hate them today. It just angers me that nothing has changed
 
May explain the persistant exagerating and lying the lad does KK, he is a great kid but all our family know watch what you say around him and take what he says with a pich of salt, he is only a kid at the end of the day but my cousen is worried like hell, she has two older kids never had a problem with one of them is still living at home but the youngest has been a worry bless her.

It is scary things am not progressing and the common sense factor is non existent, its a good job people fight back against them cos how many kids would end up wrongfully in care from there family when they shouldn't be is frightening.
 
My 2nd son who is bipolar has always been extreme to making up crazy stuff Clive especially when he was younger. It got worse into his teens. There are many illnesses that can manifest in lying. Bipolar is one. Here is a link to an article I found about it, below.

Also if I was the youngster Mom I would be making appointments with the head teacher, the Dr's and the social services to try and get to the bottom of this. I think your cousin (I think you said) needs to be proactive in this. It is unlikely she will get a diagnosis/to the bottom of this for a good while as other things have to manifest, however she should start this process now as to do nothing, isn't good and his behaviour is just going to continue.

I would be speaking to the school and asking how they can work together on this, as she understands why they need to take action however it i causing problems for the family, chaos etc. She needs to be telling them that she is involving other professionals too.

Munchausen's, bipolar, personality disorder and so on are various illnesses this could be pointing towards. Show your cousin this post if you want, or tell her you been talking to someone who has had empathic issues with their son. Some of things that used to come out of Dec's mouth were crazy too. Not quite to this level of bringing the police etc. down however stuff that when it got back to us it was like WTF.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/17/science/lies-can-point-to-mental-disorders-or-signal-normal-growth.html?pagewanted=all

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TBH Clive, that is the problem with children's services. The majority of people can't fight them because they make it beyond impossible too. The spotlighting, the expectations and so on your set up to fail. In 40 years of caring 1 woman I know told me that she only ever seen 2 Mom's including me beat the system, getting the families rights and 1 of them was me.

Family legal are just interested in the money from it as it is big legal aid money. I got ''lucky'' and fell on a family legal who weren't like that and fought my corner every part of the way. The will to survive was bigger than them. My God it took my health, which was already bad mental health wise to another stage physically
 
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