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The Rafa Benitez Thread

The Owl

Vital 1st Team Regular
You cannot judge the coming season so early.
We will have a new Manager, possibly new owners and no doubt new players.
Until that's happened we just wait and see.
Benitex has gone for bigger money.
Martinez would not be a bad choice.
Ashley owns the club and can do what he likes unfortunately.
 

billybobcat

Vital 1st Team Regular
You cannot judge the coming season so early.
We will have a new Manager, possibly new owners and no doubt new players.
Until that's happened we just wait and see.
Benitex has gone for bigger money.
Martinez would not be a bad choice.
Ashley owns the club and can do what he likes unfortunately.
Why the hell
would martinez risk his cushy job as the Belgium manager to work for a greedy snake like fatty it doesn't make sense.
 

Rexn

Vital Champions League
Why the hell
would martinez risk his cushy job as the Belgium manager to work for a greedy snake like fatty it doesn't make sense.
If he has any sort of rationality, he wouldn't touch Ashley with a barge pole.

There are two things that top managers have in abundance, first, the ability to earn a lot of money, second, a belief in their own ability to overcome all odds and succeed or fail pick up a mind boggling pay off.
 

Rexn

Vital Champions League
if there was a takeover happening why would a potential new owner let the previous owner sell and profit off one of the new owners assets?
Good question.

In practice, I think the answer you are looking for is that the devil is in the detail of the contract which should cover all sorts of contingencies.

Bringing a real consideration into effect, if Ayoze is really fetching £30million, then that cash should stay in the club, Ashley's "loan" standing at £111million and not classified as due to be repaid within the next accounting period (one year). Ashley would be in breach of all sorts of rules if he took it as cash.

If I have misunderstood your question, please let me know.
 

Mcnamee67

Vital Football Hero
You may have to factor more than Perez into the equation. Joselu and Longy will probably leave. The press are doing their usual 'unsettling' mind games battering away at Longstaff. All to Ashley's advantage you understand. I'm still expecting the deadline for season tickets (tomorrow) to be extended like last season.
 

keggy_keagal

Vital 1st Team Regular
Rafa Interview with the Mail On Sunday :

Rafa Benitez says that he knew after his first post-season meeting with club owner Mike Ashley back in May that he would not be staying at Newcastle United for another year.

In an interview with The Mail on Sunday from Dalian in China, where he is preparing for his Chinese Super League game against Henan Jianye on Sunday, Benitez says the conditions attached to continuing at the club for another year meant staying was never a viable option.

That much became clear when Ashley and Benitez met on May 16 in London. Contact continued in June but there was never any real prospect of Benitez staying, given the differing visions of club and manager.

Benitez, however, insists that he may yet return to England when his two-and-a-half-year deal with Dalian Yifang expires. He will be 61 and is confident that he will work in European football again.

Asked about the breakdown of talks with Newcastle and Ashley, Benitez said: ‘I would like not to talk too much about Newcastle United because we need to move forward. They need to think about the new season and I have a great challenge ahead of me. But I will say after the meeting in London on May 16 it was a clear decision for me and a few days later we told the club that we would not extend the contract.’

The Mail on Sunday understands that after the first meeting in London — which Ashley attended with managing director Lee Charnley, advisor Justin Barnes and Benitez’s representatives — Newcastle asked Benitez what he needed in order to stay.

That surprised Benitez’s negotiating team as they thought such things had been made clear in preliminary talks in March.

They were only ever prepared to sign up for one more year because they felt trust was minimal and wanted to see how the season panned out. They asked for an £8million-a-year salary plus bonuses for staying up. It has been said that Benitez wanted £9.5m but that figure would only have been achieved if every target had been met.

Benitez felt he deserved an increase on the £6m-a-year he had earned previously, which is standard procedure in negotiating high-level football contracts. But he was offered broadly the same terms in base salary. A transfer budget of £50m was agreed and any cash made from sales would be at Benitez’s disposal.

Benitez’s team had some qualms about the fact that, if a buying club paid in instalments, Benitez could only spend the money which immediately came in. But that was not a deal breaker.

The impasse came, as ever, over control of the budget.

While Benitez had always accepted that the board would want to sell an existing player if an offer was good, he wanted to direct the recruitment for next season. Newcastle told him that was unrealistic given that he was only prepared to commit to one season.

Ashley’s team insisted throughout that they wanted Benitez to stay. However, when Benitez returned to the training ground on Monday, June 17, he cleared out his study in anticipation of his departure.

The club emailed Benitez’s representatives on Monday, June 24 — reminding him that he was under contract until the end of the month. However, a few minutes after that email was received, the club issued the statement announcing Benitez’s departure.

Asked whether he could ever return to Newcastle under different ownership, he replied: ‘I expect to do well with Dalian Yifang and after that to come back to UK.

‘I don’t know when, but you’re always happy to come back where the people appreciate your effort and commitment and the Newcastle United fans have been one of the best in my career as a manager.

‘The only feeling I can have for the Newcastle fans is gratitude. I show my commitment from the first day and they support me all the time.

‘Even when things on the pitch were not going well, they were behind the team and me. So, I just can say they deserve the best that they can get.

‘I wish them all the best and I hope they can achieve their potential.’
 

ukrocks0007

Vital Squad Member

PieMag

Vital 1st Team Regular
Ashley was lying? Whoever would've thought that, you mean all those interviews and statements were planned and carefully worded?

Im going to need a drink at the possibility of Mike Ashley and Lee Bumchumley being liars.
Aye UK i'm considering a stiff whiskey such is the shock of these revelations.

This could be the straw that breaks the camels back.
 

ukrocks0007

Vital Squad Member
Aye UK i'm considering a stiff whiskey such is the shock of these revelations.

This could be the straw that breaks the camels back.
I'm not quite at the stage of cracking open the hard stuff, mainly as I'm driving to Scotland at daft oclock in the morning.

You may be right, we've been waiting a long time to finally get proof of lying. Just imagine if there was any previous evidence of such deception - there would be hell on!
 

PieMag

Vital 1st Team Regular
I'm not quite at the stage of cracking open the hard stuff, mainly as I'm driving to Scotland at daft oclock in the morning.

You may be right, we've been waiting a long time to finally get proof of lying. Just imagine if there was any previous evidence of such deception - there would be hell on!
:grinning::grinning:
 

vin1892

Vital 1st Team Regular
Still didn't prevent Brucie taking the job despite being personally warned off by his mate who had first hand experience of the deceit running through the club.

Unfortunately were stuck with the fat fuck until he decides he's had enough. Boycotting or protesting simply isn't going to work because it doesn't have the numbers to be successful.
 
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Rexn

Vital Champions League
We knew it after KK, we saw how Hughton was treated and some of us had the opportunity to challenge the club in the boardroom about the spin they put out.

History is history, Rafa confirms what we knew but he is history too.

The owner of the club doesn't deserve to hire another decent manager. He could have changed his ways but ultimately reverted to type. One swallow doesn't make a lifetime of blow jobs.