The Population Problem

You should read this thread.
well it's eighteen pages and goes back half a decade. I'm sure you can forgive me not.

The point is though, the UK population is rising due to migration, and the global population is still growing naturally (expected to top out at ten billion in about 40 years I believe)

High income countries have natural decline but that is still irrelevant atm. The world is, and will become even more so overpopulated.
 
The homeless man's application was granted. He didn't simply change his mind, an internet campaign raised $60,000 dollars to get him straight. He was days away from being put to sleep through the canadian MAID system. Now he absolutely fine and living a fulfilling life.
You didn't mention the girl who lost her mom who suffered with mental health issues, killed without even a consultation with her GP or her family.

My own opinion is that for people who are suffering, and with a limited time left, then they should be granted a dignified and painless death. My point is that this is how the bill got passed in Canada, and it has since gone beyond that criteria. That really does concern me.

I was being facetious to show how easy it is to give something of importance a different spin from the facts purely by deliberate and subtle omissions.

In Amir's own words:

"My name is Amir. I am 55 years old and live in Canada. I suffer from a number of physical and emotional ailments.

"I have 24/7 pain due to severe spinal stenosis, degenerative disc disease, osteoarthritis, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), panic anxiety disorder, depression, pretty severe asthma (I need three different inhalers to breathe) and early stages of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).

"I made a formal, written request to my doctor, who, after failing to talk me out of it, eventually (and reluctantly) signed off on it. As someone who is considered “tier 2” (someone whose death is not imminent or reasonably foreseeable), I needed to wait for a mandatory 90 days before getting the required second sign-off before being able to access MAID.

"Unfortunately, instead of focusing the debate on how people in that position need help surviving, it seems my story has been hijacked by people trying to deflect from the real debate, by creating a needless one about the merits of MAiD – and its accessibility (and coming expansion) to people who are not in the terminal stages of a disease.

"I hope people don’t get distracted by this pointless, disingenuous debate. The real issue isn’t whether or not someone like me should be able to access MAID. It’s whether or not we, as a society, wish to continue making people’s lives miserable and hopeless enough that suicide – assisted or otherwise – becomes a viable option. Or whether we are willing to choose to take steps that would make these people’s lives bearable enough that they won’t need to."

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'I did tell my doctor right off the bat that while I qualify for medical reasons, the reason I'm asking is my socio economic position at the moment."

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So he wasn't approved because he was homeless. He met the medical criteria for MAID and it didn't factor into the medical determination and assessment made on him.

To be anal, because I am lol, he was provisionally approved only. He got the lifeline ahead of the mandatory 90 day period expiring, wherein he could've still been denied in any event. So it's a misnomer to suggest he was days or hours away from being euthanised (the implication) as the full process had not yet been completed anyway.

And no, he's not absolutely fine, and he could change his mind, but he won't be provisionally approved for a second time on the basis of him not being homeless either.

You didn't mention the girl who lost her mom who suffered with mental health issues, killed without even a consultation with her GP or her family.

The Hertgers? Duncan?

In any case, right to privacy, medical history and decisions are privileged information - that's a basic tenet of the law, there is no obligation or requirement to inform family, friends and total strangers.

That's not on Canada, nor the Doctors - that's on the individual for not having a conversation. Harsh as it sounds it is as simple as that.

The GP is equally irrelevant. You don't apply to a GP (unless you want to), you apply straight to a physician in hospital if you prefer.

We've already covered 'mental health' provisions, so it wouldn't have been that, even if that's what the family focus on in the grief, and it's understandably blinding them thinking they needed to be consulted or a GP was needed.

As for changing mind, your views mate, not for me to debate that, I'm talking Chinese whispers as I said myself there are issues but they aren't being addressed.

Because it hasn't gone beyond terminal or severe chronic pain.

Everything else is mud at wall scaremongering in Canada.

Anyway - time for walkies.
 
The global population is still growing naturally (expected to top out at ten billion in about 40 years I believe)
Climate change might put a stop to that. Struggling to wrap my head around 3.1 degrees of warming but they seem incredibly concerned about it now. Seems like some areas of the planet will be unliveable at times and agriculture will need to constantly change which could mean a lot famine.
 
Climate change might put a stop to that. Struggling to wrap my head around 3.1 degrees of warming but they seem incredibly concerned about it now. Seems like some areas of the planet will be unliveable at times and agriculture will need to constantly change which could mean a lot famine.
It's likely to make it worse I'd have thought, less land will mean more overcrowding. That's not just flooded areas, but increased desertification.
That said, opportunities will appear in tundra and polar regions. Greenland building three new airports and encouraging migration for example. Plus modern technology might create opportunities to live in previous uninhabitable areas.
 
5% of China's kindergartens closed down last year.

A Chinese economist is calling for incentives of £10k per child and up to £300 a month for families with 3 kids or more.

Those kinds of figures would definitely incentivise people to have more kids but I'd imagine they will bankrupt the country.

 
One of the very many reasons why women are having fewer kids is that they are struggling to find suitable men. Women in Norway say they want 2.4 kids but are having 1.4 kids.

There are lots of men out there, including incels, but the issue is that 2/3 of university graduates are women. University graduate women expect their partner to have equivalent qualifications but the numbers just don't add up.
 
Also, here's a stark demonstration of the crisis we are facing into.

South Korea's birth rate is 0.78.

If we start with 100 South Koreans, the next generation will have 39 people. The one after that will have 15. The one after that will have 6. That's if the birth rate doesn't decline, which it is rapidly all over the world.

By 2050, it's estimated that there will be more people over 80 than under 20.

Collapsing house prices, collapsing domestic demand, a collapsing workforce, an economy mired in permanent recession and no way out.

Imagine a global economy that looks like Detroit with politicians constantly promising growth and blaming scapegoats but being unable to deliver anything no matter what they do.

You're welcome.
 
One of the very many reasons why women are having fewer kids is that they are struggling to find suitable men. Women in Norway say they want 2.4 kids but are having 1.4 kids.

There are lots of men out there, including incels, but the issue is that 2/3 of university graduates are women. University graduate women expect their partner to have equivalent qualifications but the numbers just don't add up.
Perhaps the men just find these Norwegian women really weird given they want to have not just two whole children but also a fraction of a third child.
 
This is not sustainable, this is absolute madness.
So after Brexit the number of EU migrants dropped off a cliff. Huge decline. In return we had a massive influx of non EU migrants.

So much for Johnson, Farage and Leave.com saying that brexit would solve the immigration "problem"
I bet those who voted leave are now content.

Before mostly immigration was Europeans coming here working and contributing. Now it's non EU'S by massive numbers to backfill the jobs in health care, hospitality - much needed if want health care to sustain and we need workers who are paying tax to support Pensioners payments etc.

For those saying immigration is an easy process - I don't understand quite how this was possible because my wife came to UK in 2017. From Hong Kong. The amount of red tape and payments we had to make to make this possible was huge. Circa £10k. It was such a difficult process and expensive.

She now has a senior high powered job in London and pays more Tax than me.

On a side note. If the students are bringing in non contributing family members then this is a problem. Should be students only or self supported family(which is think it already is)
 
So after Brexit the number of EU migrants dropped off a cliff. Huge decline. In return we had a massive influx of non EU migrants.

So much for Johnson, Farage and Leave.com saying that brexit would solve the immigration "problem"
I bet those who voted leave are now content.

Before mostly immigration was Europeans coming here working and contributing. Now it's non EU'S by massive numbers to backfill the jobs in health care, hospitality - much needed if want health care to sustain and we need workers who are paying tax to support Pensioners payments etc.

For those saying immigration is an easy process - I don't understand quite how this was possible because my wife came to UK in 2017. From Hong Kong. The amount of red tape and payments we had to make to make this possible was huge. Circa £10k. It was such a difficult process and expensive.

She now has a senior high powered job in London and pays more Tax than me.

On a side note. If the students are bringing in non contributing family members then this is a problem. Should be students only or self supported family(which is think it already is)
I don't take issues with your argument chico. But the numbers year on year are not sustainable.
Since 2019 approximately 2.5 million, net, people have come to the UK legally.
This is roughly 6 cities the size of Leicester. Add in all those that have entered illegally and it's a massive number to absorb and as we have seen recently social tensions are on the rise not Just in the UK, but across the EU aswell.
 
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So after Brexit the number of EU migrants dropped off a cliff. Huge decline. In return we had a massive influx of non EU migrants.

So much for Johnson, Farage and Leave.com saying that brexit would solve the immigration "problem"
I bet those who voted leave are now content.

Before mostly immigration was Europeans coming here working and contributing. Now it's non EU'S by massive numbers to backfill the jobs in health care, hospitality - much needed if want health care to sustain and we need workers who are paying tax to support Pensioners payments etc.

For those saying immigration is an easy process - I don't understand quite how this was possible because my wife came to UK in 2017. From Hong Kong. The amount of red tape and payments we had to make to make this possible was huge. Circa £10k. It was such a difficult process and expensive.

She now has a senior high powered job in London and pays more Tax than me.

On a side note. If the students are bringing in non contributing family members then this is a problem. Should be students only or self supported family(which is think it already is)

The other thing is that EU migrants were likely to go home after a few years in the UK. Poland has a very prosperous economy, most funded by all of the pounds that the Poles made while working in the UK.

Non EU migrants aren't going back.

Brexit was a disaster for Britain. The starting point around any debate on immigration should be rejoining the EU.
 
It's the genie that won't go back in the box now, too many heard truths on repeat, fear amped up to 11 because it sells, too many self absorbed think tanks who wouldn't have a reason to breath if they stopped.

And nobody of note talking real issues because sensible comments don't get air time as folks have to think.

Recent BBC on the subject going back to the roots was very interesting and very infuriating.
 
Japan's Prime Minister has announced plans to spend $250bn to stimulate growth in the economy. He is hoping to push up wages to create some inflation. It won't work.

How do I know this? It's because it's the same plan that they have been trying to use to create inflation since the 90s. It creates some temporary bump but once they stop the stimulus, the economy falls on its face again.

Japan's debt to GDP is now 250%. This new plan will make that much worse. And they will have nothing to show for all that debt.

This is what falling birth rates and no immigration looks like.
 
Macron is in trouble in France. Their budget deficit is 6% of GDP. He has tried to raise revenue and it was met with massive protests. He tried to increase the retirement age to 64 and the country shut down with protests.

France can't afford their generous welfare system with their demographics.

If they run a budget deficit of 6% every year, they will be over 100% in 12 years.

Lurking behind Macron is Le Pen. She is telling France that their problems are all caused by immigrants and if they kick out all of the immigrants things will go back to how they were in the 1960s.

If they kick out all of the immigrants, their workforce will shrink, lowering their GDP and increasing their budget deficit.

Do you know any other countries in a similar situation?
 
The irony actually being that in voting down Barney's budget, the public are in fact now going to be paying more in real terms next year.

But funnily enough Le Penis isn't telling them that as she bangs on like a drone.
 
This is a depressing thread! Let's all stop for a minute, form a circle, sit down and sing "Kumbaya" together.
 
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