The Politics Thread (Home & Abroad)

Platypus said:
It's not like the manifesto delivery was riding high on a wave of popularity is it?

Changing tack mid-term is not and has never been a "coup". They usually involve tanks.
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Having been in Greece when the generals were in charge I am fully aware what a coup and a tank look like thank you.
I assume you don't.
The manifesto wasn't riding high on a wave of popularity because only a very small portion of the electorate voted for it.
Spin it whichever way you want, but the fact is Burnham wasn't even an MP a couple months ago until they gerimandered an opening for him.
Anyway, he's only been in the job two weeks and he's already had enough and gone off on his holidays leaving a convicted fraudster as the most senior politician left in the country.
 
wittonite said:
Having been in Greece when the generals were in charge I am fully aware what a coup and a tank look like thank you.
I assume you don't.
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Do you have to have been present for the actual coup to know what a coup looks like? Were you there for the coup itself or just the government afterwards?Does it look like an elected MP being voted leader of their party which is already in government and then announcing some new policies? Was that what it was like in Greece?

All this froth and bluster looks just like, well, froth and bluster. You're stretching "coup" and "gerrymandering" to include the perfectly legal and longstanding democratic processes of the country whereas those words actually describe the opposite. It's silly plus it does your argument no favours.
 
wittonite said:
What absolute fuckin idiot rubber stamped this appointment.
No wonder the country is sick too the back teeth with politicians.
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whether totally reformed or not, it is just not right to proceed with a candidate who had held those views is it?! And puts you straight onto the backfoot having to explain what has been, instead of what will be.
 
wittonite said:
Having been in Greece when the generals were in charge I am fully aware what a coup and a tank look like thank you.
I assume you don't.
The manifesto wasn't riding high on a wave of popularity because only a very small portion of the electorate voted for it.
Spin it whichever way you want, but the fact is Burnham wasn't even an MP a couple months ago until they gerimandered an opening for him.
Anyway, he's only been in the job two weeks and he's already had enough and gone off on his holidays leaving a convicted fraudster as the most senior politician left in the country.
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I hate the trend of parties changing their leaders, it should automatically trigger a GE.

Obviously when a new leader emerges they will want to do things differently and this will mean deviating significantly from the 'manifesto'. People who defend changing leaders (you vote for parties not individuals) are generally wrong. People do vote for leaders and their ideas.

That said, it's not really a coup, it's just, British politics.
 
The Fear said:
Seewhether totally reformed or not, it is just not right to proceed with a candidate who had held those views is it?! And puts you straight onto the backfoot having to explain what has been, instead of what will be.
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Even if successful and voted in, rightly or wrongly you are in an impossible position because when the inevitable situation comes along that conflicts with your past beliefs you permanently present your opponents with a credible argument.
It's out there, it's a matter of record.
 
Platypus said:
Do you have to have been present for the actual coup to know what a coup looks like? Were you there for the coup itself or just the government afterwards?Does it look like an elected MP being voted leader of their party which is already in government and then announcing some new policies? Was that what it was like in Greece?

All this froth and bluster looks just like, well, froth and bluster. You're stretching "coup" and "gerrymandering" to include the perfectly legal and longstanding democratic processes of the country whereas those words actually describe the opposite. It's silly plus it does your argument no favours.
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My response to you has been deleted by mods.
I'll leave it at that.
 
Pangloss said:
I hate the trend of parties changing their leaders, it should automatically trigger a GE.

Obviously when a new leader emerges they will want to do things differently and this will mean deviating significantly from the 'manifesto'. People who defend changing leaders (you vote for parties not individuals) are generally wrong. People do vote for leaders and their ideas.

That said, it's not really a coup, it's just, British politics.
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What about people who know we vote for a party and not individuals but also think a leader shouldn't be changed without a GE?
 
wittonite said:
What absolute fuckin idiot rubber stamped this appointment.
No wonder the country is sick too the back teeth with politicians.
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Bonehill appointment that's caused a lot of Paine for Kemi here.

Ironically I was actually on Kemi's side, until I read up on him. The press focusing on Berger does a massive misjustice to his past.
 
Polanski, "climate change is the biggest crisis since WW2". Meanwhile in Kent Green Party councillors are blocking the development of a solar power plant. Fucking twats.
 
Pangloss said:
Polanski, "climate change is the biggest crisis since WW2". Meanwhile in Kent Green Party councillors are blocking the development of a solar power plant. Fucking twats.
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Solar panels in large scale countryside developments are hideous.
 
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