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Was it the correct decision to name the West Bridgford stand, The John Robertson Stand?


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The topic of conversation is now overdone and getting a bit boring now.

It's absolutely correct that we have a stand named after John Robertson.
Where I personally have more of an open mind, and dont disagree, is naming a stand after Peter Taylor..

No-one other than Pearce should be in the conversation for this sort of accolade/tribute, either before Clough, or after the miracle men

What will be interesting is when/if the WFCG gets redeveloped, what happens to the stand names then? Or more importantly, will EM sell ground naming rights for a hefty sponsorship deal
As stated previously I don’t have a strong feeling on this, however to change the name now would disrespect Robbos memory. You could argue that the accolade shouldn’t have been awarded in the first place, but to change it now would suggest he is no longer worthy . . .
 
I don't think this is the killer argument you think it is

Go back over what you have just said- and remember that those in their 30s and below have seen us achieve, as you say, next to nothing.

That isn't the same as those supporters not having achieved anything. Or older supporters having somehow achieved something

Remember that those below 40 (or even in their 40s) have seen is win sod all and have probably seen more bad games than good. They have seen our lowest ever finish without having the memories of seeing our highest ever.

They have seen us knocked out in the first round of cup after cup (including the Paint Pot) without necessarily having seen us ever win one.

That is not a failing on their part. It is a triumph, because without having any golden memories to strengthen bonds of loyalty, they are still there.

In fact, they have shown greater fidelity than many fans in the glory years - average attendance in the year we won the first European cup was 26,000- by the mid 1980s only 16,000 were regularly attending.

Our lowest average attendance this century was 17,200 in 99/00 under Platt- in only two seasons since then has it been below (just barely) 20k. Mostly it has been in the mid 20ks- 10,000 more people than in the mid 80s

There are other social and demographic factors behind this and attendances were lower everywhere- but there is a generation of fans who have stuck with the club extremely well in very fallow times, better than people in much better times did.

Obviously those on this forum clearly did stick with the club through both eras.


Stuart Pearce would be the obvious one, and he won a fair bit as well.

But it isn't an either/ or. We don't need to name the stand after anyone. The City Ground opened in 1898- 128 years it has managed to have it's stands named after the locality, not players.

What you are doing by naming three stands after people from the same very short era is saying to fans that one generation's sentimental memories are more important than anything else, and that nothing in our history will ever be at a comparable level.



We would be exactly what we are now, which is what we were before that era- a mid sized club that alternates between spells in the top division and spells in the second tier. We were that for about 110 years before Clough became manager, and we have been that for the 35 years or so since he retired



Which fans have you actually spoken to? I mean, does anyone even ask them?

Many I am sure are fine with it

Many probably don't care

Many, if the argument I have made were put to them, may agree with it.


Preston have three stands named after legends- all from different eras. Tom Finney and Bill Shankley from the 30s-50s, and Alan Kelley from the 80s.

I wouldn't have a problem with this, whereas ours are all from the same 4 year period


Nobody is saying we shouldnt do this. We are questioning whether this is the right way to do that.


In your opinion.

I wouldn't have named main stand after PT either


How can someone remember history they didn't see, in the same way that you did?

I don't see you fiercely advocating for Wally Ardron or Bill McKinley. Why not?

Younger fans can appreciate these players but you cannot expect them to feel the sentimentality when they were not even born


What a surprise to hear someone of your generation saying this. How disappointing, yet predictable


Clearly one generation gets listened to more than any others though, as is the case nationally.


What volumes does it speak exactly?

The easy way out of this is for the modern generation to win something. Happy to name the burger van after VP if he wins the FAcup.
 
I dont disagree with you, but there are lots of ways of recognising that achievement.

Naming a stand is pretty much the "nuclear" option. You can't go back on that, you can't recognise anyone else in the future that way once you've done the third one and all you have left is the TE (and as a life long Trent ender I refuse to contemplate renaming that, as I think most of our past heroes would agree with).

Now you have named all three namable stands after people from the same 4 year period. In fairness, I don't think Robertson is really the odd one out- Taylor probably is, and if Main Stand had been named the Robertson stand with Bridgford left alone I probably wouldn't have thought much of it.

What you are saying to everyone in the ground is that the only period that is ever going to truly matter, is ever going to require that "nuclear" option is 1977-80.

That might be the case! I accept that. But we aren't holding much for the future, are we?


But it did though. It's happy memories only to those who were there.

For the rest of us it's a bit different. Immense pride at the uniqueness of our club, that our club will always be far apart from others and something special compared to others. A kind of awe, I guess, at the team and what they achieved. It's hard to believe to be honest.

Let me give you a personal example of this.

In Ice Hockey, Panthers have also won a European Trophy twice - the Continental Cup.

The team that won it in 2016 is legendary. Fans can reel off names of the players who were part of that team (one is still here) and the manager has a permanent tribute. Panthers were the first English team to win this trophy. I felt very much about this as I do about the Forest European cups. I wasn't there (in Panthers case, it was won in Ritten, Italy, so only about 500 were there) so a huge pride, respect and wonder for the team that did it, but no sentimentality, memories of connection to the players

Then Panthers won it again this year, in Nottingham, with me and my daughter there. I can promise you the feeling, the memories, the sentimentality and connection to the players is like night and day. You have to be there, or at least be around- you just can't replicate the emotions looking at a history book or clips.


This i disagree with in part and I've said this above.

It makes us unique, and we will always be apart from most other clubs. Those two stars are something incredibly special and we will always have a respect that most other clubs cannot muster. Getting into spats with arsehole Palace fans about their booby prize, even other fans will jump in and suggest they sit the fuck down when trying to compare their trophy cabinet to ours.

So there's that.

But in all practical terms, it hasn't made much difference. For 110 years before Clough we were a club that had good spells in the top division and then long spells in the second division. Since he retired, that is exactly what we have been again, with our lowest point actually coming after.

The trophies will always ensure respect and a uniqueness, but in all other respects we have done back to being the same club as before. Trophies give you that special factor but they don't insulate you on the field. What Leicester achieved just 10 years ago is also very special, but they are still playing Bromley and Notts County as equals next season.


But I feel like we have abundantly done that already, and the new main stand gives loads of other opportunities to do that too.

But there have been some very good periods in our history outside of that. It's so rare we visibly or audibly hear anything of the 1959 side unless there is a big anniversary, and then it's really just programme notes, a short film and some clapping, if that.

Billy Walker led us from the third tier to the first and won the FA Cup. Where is his stand? I know Taylor's family were vociferous about him being recognised, but Taylor, for all his importance, was with us for a pretty short time overall. Walker was manager for 21 years and won a trophy and the third tier title. Did we really make the fairest choice there? Where is the clamour for Walker, if a personal experience of the history doesn't matter?

Stuart Pearce I think many fans would say is Mr Nottingham Forest. The epitomy of everything a whole generation loved about Forest, and the epitomy of what many people loved about English Footballers- a true lion who was all leadership and heart.

I just think- if you could go back in time and do it all again, would it be a good idea to pick all three that they have done to name the stands? Or would it have been better to go with Clough, one other from that era and one from another?

To be honest, Robertson I think has a better case than Taylor, but for me once you've agreed to Taylor you shouldn't be doing another from that era when there are other worthy candidates, or you can save one for the future, or stick to local names and commemorate another way

Personal opinion

Maybe we could remember the 23 years of dross by renaming the traps- trap 1 could become the gary megson, trap 2 the david platt etc. We have plenty of traps and could probably remember all the previous failures.
 
The modern generation to win something?

What is it you think your generation won?

Well im 52 so was around for all the wins. He's got the whole world in his hands was one of the earliest songs i had. But in terms of going to games i have seen us win the league cup and the infamous fa cup final loss.
 
You're misrepresenting what I said.... this is the full line:

Back-to-back European Cups didn’t just create happy memories for one generation — they fundamentally changed the stature and identity of Nottingham Forest as a football club.

I don't see how you can dispute this.

This. Only two british clubs have ever achieved this, the other is liverscum. Isnt it 7 clubs over all, maybe 8 with PSG accross europe?

100% this.
 
It is 9 in total - Real Madrid - Benfica - Inter - Ajax - Bayern - Liverpool - Us - AC Milan - PSG
Now take a look at that list again. For 8 of those clubs it was an historic achievement. For us, it was in a different realm entirely. Forest had no business winning it once, let alone back to back.

I would love someone to come in and do it again at Forest - for my brother and his sons if nobody else. Unfortunately it just isn’t going to happen.
 
Now take a look at that list again. For 8 of those clubs it was an historic achievement. For us, it was in a different realm entirely. Forest had no business winning it once, let alone back to back.

I would love someone to come in and do it again at Forest - for my brother and his sons if nobody else. Unfortunately it just isn’t going to happen.
Only 2 clubs done it since us, 3 if you include Madrid doing it again.

That tells you have incredibly difficult it is to achieve
 
Well im 52 so was around for all the wins. He's got the whole world in his hands was one of the earliest songs i had. But in terms of going to games i have seen us win the league cup and the infamous fa cup final loss.
Selfish bastard, chap.

Do you look wistfully into the middle ground, thinking of the glory days...did you know, they're an EXPERIENCE for you, not just MEMORIES.

I mean, maybe, the club should erect a monument for the youths, y'knaw so they don't feel left out or shit maybe.

Yeah, and if i see you taking a photo of the John Robertson stand there will be HELL to pay. FACT. HELL. TO. PAY.
 
Was talking to some of the ex players who went to the Robbo stand opening on the weekend

Although he wasnt there personally they said EM had gone to no expense spared to lay on a fantastic day for Robbos family, ex team mates and close friends. 60 in attendance in person including partners.

They were all treated like Kings by the club and greatly appreciated it.

The consensus was though that they all really wished Robbo had been there with them to witness it all happening. One of them said "it would have been one of the greatest days of Robbos life"

How true that would be when you think about it. What an even greater occasion it would have been.

Its something for the club to think about in the future I think. Re naming the last stand or any statue trubutes etc.

Robbo had been poorly for 3 years plus. But most of that time he would have still been well enough to attend an event like this. The club knew he was ill. Him passing away wasnt a big shock.

If we are ever going to honour the likes of Stuart Pearce. Or the captain John Mcgovern, Shilton or Ian Storey Moore or any others more modern.

Lets be pro active and honour them whilst they are still with us and able to enjoy the honour with their families

Shame we missed that opportunity with Robbo when you think.about it. Would have been very emotional with him there to see it.
 
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Was talking to some of the ex players who went to the Robbo stand opening on the weekend

Although he wasnt there personally they said EM had gone to no expense spared to lay on a fantastic day for Robbos family, ex team mates and close friends. 60 in attendance in person including partners.

They were all treated like Kings by the club and greatly appreciated it.

The consensus was though that they all really wished Robbo had been there with them to witness it all happening. One of them said "it would have been one of the greatest days of Robbos life"

How true that would be when you think about it. What an even greater occasion it would have been.

Its something for the club to think about in the future I think. Re naming the last stand or any statue trubutes etc.

Robbo had been poorly for 3 years plus. But most of that time he would have still been well enough to attend an event like this. The club knew he was ill. Him passing away wasnt a big shock.

If we are ever going to honour the likes of Stuart Pearce. Or the captain John Mcgovern, Shilton or Ian Storey Moore or any others more modern.

Lets be pro active and honour them whilst they are still with us and able to enjoy the honour with their families
Reminds me of the old quote from Cloughie about not buying him flowers when he is dead…