The Most Dangerous Drug In The World
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Still amazes me how Alcohol wrecks so many peoples lives, saw two of my uncles dads younger brothers go from hard working blokes to jobless alcoholics by the time i hit my teens now they ay alive anymore, i kept telling them yo cor keep drinking ike that but wouldn't listen,
On a lighter note i have done on that list in my youth numbers:- 1 5 6 8 17 18 and i believe amphetamine and ketamine am in ecstacy so probably doen them aswell, but i must admit i had a great time in my younger years and never did anything OTT only in small quantity on nights out at nightclubs and i loved it tbh them days am gone now for me being a dad but looking back its mental how crazy i was back in them days compared to me now and the way i am and live lol
On a lighter note i have done on that list in my youth numbers:- 1 5 6 8 17 18 and i believe amphetamine and ketamine am in ecstacy so probably doen them aswell, but i must admit i had a great time in my younger years and never did anything OTT only in small quantity on nights out at nightclubs and i loved it tbh them days am gone now for me being a dad but looking back its mental how crazy i was back in them days compared to me now and the way i am and live lol
The Fear
A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
What does make me 'smile' is how holier than thou some are that drink and some that smoke as well towards any other drugs.
Amphetamine is usually speed Clive. Ketamine isn't in E's it's a tranquiliser
Interestingly E's (MDMA) have been experimented with for post traumatic stress disorder.
Amphetamine is usually speed Clive. Ketamine isn't in E's it's a tranquiliser
Interestingly E's (MDMA) have been experimented with for post traumatic stress disorder.
JuanPabloAngel
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Not surprised at all, but then I'm of the opinion that alcohol isn't a 'drug' in the same way that heroin or cocaine are; in as much as for the overwhelming majority of alcohol 'users', the point is they appreciate good wine, or a nice beer, or whatever - it's not a means to an end in the same way as shooting up or snorting coke.
That's not to say it's not without it's problems, obviously. There are plenty of people who literally can't deal with life unless they've had a bottle of vodka before breakfast, but I would argue many people who have a glass of wine have it for the sheer enjoyment of the particular grape, country, whatever. It's a bit different for heroin users/addicts by and large.
And in terms of stats, I wonder how many heroin addicts or crack heads have been lost but not reported/dealt with by officials (eg hospitals) compared with people treated for alcohol complications or diseases?
I'm not saying it's not a killer (and as the article suggests, THE killer 'addiction' - more accurate than 'drug') but there are one or two caveats around it I would suggest?
Can someone help me down off my high horse please? :111:
That's not to say it's not without it's problems, obviously. There are plenty of people who literally can't deal with life unless they've had a bottle of vodka before breakfast, but I would argue many people who have a glass of wine have it for the sheer enjoyment of the particular grape, country, whatever. It's a bit different for heroin users/addicts by and large.
And in terms of stats, I wonder how many heroin addicts or crack heads have been lost but not reported/dealt with by officials (eg hospitals) compared with people treated for alcohol complications or diseases?
I'm not saying it's not a killer (and as the article suggests, THE killer 'addiction' - more accurate than 'drug') but there are one or two caveats around it I would suggest?
Can someone help me down off my high horse please? :111:
Lord Ron Saunders
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I used to smoke, but packed it in after 53 years, bloody hard but had to. In all that time I never had any drugs apart from a few beers and cigarettes. Now when I walk about I can smell this stuff they smoke, what a stink. All I can say is pack the fags in, enjoy a few beers.
BBJ
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One of my parents was an alcoholic and it didn't half screw up our family.
We recently moved back to Ireland after spending nearly 5 years in England. During that time, we still had our house here in Dublin and most of our worldly goods were in it.
Nonetheless, in order to bring back what we'd brought over in the first place plus what we'd acquired whilst in Chorley, we firstly took a carload of stuff over on the ferry in July.
Then we had family members who visited us in the meantime who hauled back seven suitcases full of stuff, courtesy of Ryanair.
A couple we know stuck 10 biggish boxes in their car; another couple half a dozen and a third two big bags. We went home on the train and ferry with two bulging cases, a rucksack and a medium-sized bag.
We also gave away some utensils and other household goods to people we knew in Chorley and made a few trips to a charity shop.
In 199, after spending over 30 years in Birmingham, my parents returned home to Belfast. Dad was 73 and Mum was 66.
What they had to show for their lifetime was contained in 3 suitcases.
That's what alcohol can do.
I'm not really a fan.
We recently moved back to Ireland after spending nearly 5 years in England. During that time, we still had our house here in Dublin and most of our worldly goods were in it.
Nonetheless, in order to bring back what we'd brought over in the first place plus what we'd acquired whilst in Chorley, we firstly took a carload of stuff over on the ferry in July.
Then we had family members who visited us in the meantime who hauled back seven suitcases full of stuff, courtesy of Ryanair.
A couple we know stuck 10 biggish boxes in their car; another couple half a dozen and a third two big bags. We went home on the train and ferry with two bulging cases, a rucksack and a medium-sized bag.
We also gave away some utensils and other household goods to people we knew in Chorley and made a few trips to a charity shop.
In 199, after spending over 30 years in Birmingham, my parents returned home to Belfast. Dad was 73 and Mum was 66.
What they had to show for their lifetime was contained in 3 suitcases.
That's what alcohol can do.
I'm not really a fan.
Stephen Jay Hawkings
Vital Football Legend
It's not a drug, it's a drink! :17:
kefkat
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Nothing against booze even though I dont drink and you all know why. Does it surprise me this article? No! Read this before. Is it true! Yes! If alcohol was introduced today it would be a class A banned drug.
Whilst ''illegal'' drugs cause misery, alcohol causes more because it is legal. Being legal makes it OK to drink dysfunctional which is what so many do.
Last stats is 1 in 13 will develop a problem with alcohol. Some will beable to moderate, or stop, with or without help. Others are potential alcoholics. When I say potential I mean they have a long way to go to hit the stereo type idea of an alcoholic however it doesn't mean they aren't alcoholic. It just means they haven't gone as far as the morning drinker/skid row/park bench type.
There is a world of difference between a heavy drinker and an alcoholic. The person who drinks 15 pints a night, would on the surface be the one you would think was alcoholic. Not necessarily so.
As the person stepped over the line and got the craving? You can have that craving as a binge drinker, who doesn't drink daily, morning and so on.
It's not about how much you drink, or how often, it's about what happens when you drink! Is your drinking worrying your family? Are you being threatened or have lost jobs, career, family, divorced, been in a cell and so on.
Alcohol is far more dangerous, than drugs, because it is legal. I guess no one ever advised you about Al-Anon BBJ, which is the support 12 step program for those who have or had a family member/friend with an alcohol problem. It works the program from the opposite angle. I attend Al-Anon also as the ex is alcoholic not in recovery and his past behaviour affected me, still affects my daughter, which affects me, who is still in touch with him.
My brothers can drink normally. So can my youngsters. I thank God it's skipped a generation. The ex Grandfather, on hi Mom side, was alcoholic. My Great Grandfather was also, my Grandfather on mom's side Dad.
It's always been a problem. Just today we know more about it. More help for it now however in some ways there is too much help. That might sound crackers, however working in what I do with recovery and the thread there can be too much done for the person with the problem, leaving the person to dependant on other services and using the services for excuses.
Whilst ''illegal'' drugs cause misery, alcohol causes more because it is legal. Being legal makes it OK to drink dysfunctional which is what so many do.
Last stats is 1 in 13 will develop a problem with alcohol. Some will beable to moderate, or stop, with or without help. Others are potential alcoholics. When I say potential I mean they have a long way to go to hit the stereo type idea of an alcoholic however it doesn't mean they aren't alcoholic. It just means they haven't gone as far as the morning drinker/skid row/park bench type.
There is a world of difference between a heavy drinker and an alcoholic. The person who drinks 15 pints a night, would on the surface be the one you would think was alcoholic. Not necessarily so.
As the person stepped over the line and got the craving? You can have that craving as a binge drinker, who doesn't drink daily, morning and so on.
It's not about how much you drink, or how often, it's about what happens when you drink! Is your drinking worrying your family? Are you being threatened or have lost jobs, career, family, divorced, been in a cell and so on.
Alcohol is far more dangerous, than drugs, because it is legal. I guess no one ever advised you about Al-Anon BBJ, which is the support 12 step program for those who have or had a family member/friend with an alcohol problem. It works the program from the opposite angle. I attend Al-Anon also as the ex is alcoholic not in recovery and his past behaviour affected me, still affects my daughter, which affects me, who is still in touch with him.
My brothers can drink normally. So can my youngsters. I thank God it's skipped a generation. The ex Grandfather, on hi Mom side, was alcoholic. My Great Grandfather was also, my Grandfather on mom's side Dad.
It's always been a problem. Just today we know more about it. More help for it now however in some ways there is too much help. That might sound crackers, however working in what I do with recovery and the thread there can be too much done for the person with the problem, leaving the person to dependant on other services and using the services for excuses.
Pride of Lions
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I've spent quite a lot of my working life in and around alcohol so I can see it from both prospectives. 10 years working in a brewery, 6 years on the road as a Free Trade Rep. When I left the industry, I became a member of CAMRA (Campaign for Real Ale). When I returned to the UK for a while I was selling wine.
It was when I was on the road in Free Trade I saw what alcohol (in excess) could do. A club steward (nicknamed 'Jim the Fish'- because he drank like one) had to have a leg off. All because of his 'dependency' on alcohol. I remember going to visit him in Birmingham General with a colleague.
It's like what JPA says really. The vast majority of adults respect and can handle their alcohol intake, be it a few beers, a few glasses of wine etc etc. No way would I call it a drug. It is not a means to an end as JPA says.
It was when I was on the road in Free Trade I saw what alcohol (in excess) could do. A club steward (nicknamed 'Jim the Fish'- because he drank like one) had to have a leg off. All because of his 'dependency' on alcohol. I remember going to visit him in Birmingham General with a colleague.
It's like what JPA says really. The vast majority of adults respect and can handle their alcohol intake, be it a few beers, a few glasses of wine etc etc. No way would I call it a drug. It is not a means to an end as JPA says.
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Arrr cheers Fear dude then yeah i took Speed back in my rave days at the clubs, trouble is with the ecstacy you never knew if someone had mixed in with them, looking back they was crazy days and sometimes i cor believe what i was like lol,,,,,,but i also recall the Monday after raving at clubs at work and the rest of the week and the come down was really bad which i recall one of the reasons i stopped taking anything on weekends it really was bad like manic depressive it made you, crazy days.
The Fear
A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
Alcohol alters behaviour etc just like any other drug. I like alcohol (!) but it is a drug, there can be little doubt really can there? You don't take it you can walk straight and talk normally (well, I can't !) you have some and things within the body change.
Same as all the other drugs in that respect.
Cheers! :8:
Same as all the other drugs in that respect.
Cheers! :8:
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The ancients used drugs like LSD and was hero's and gone down as legends like Merlin the wizard!
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WOW never knew that so our ancients was right ravers back then, wonder if they saw tripey things like floating 3 dimensional cube like me and my mate did oh and it was rainbow coloured LOL,
The Fear
A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
lol, LSD was an invention of the 1930's Clive!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide
As you know, it was rather popular in the 60's flower power era. Reading that, I'd never heard of it being injected before. I can't see why anyone would do that when it isn't necessary!
Think this is what fucked up Sid (Pink Floyd) and also Brian Wilson taking too much and also having 'delicate impositions' anyway. Suppose as much as it is recreational and fun for so many, like any other drug (including drink !) it can fook up those who react badly to it or who already have weaknesses
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Oh and just for those that get offended by these threads, no one is advising anyone to take anything or advocating anything... :68:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide
As you know, it was rather popular in the 60's flower power era. Reading that, I'd never heard of it being injected before. I can't see why anyone would do that when it isn't necessary!
Think this is what fucked up Sid (Pink Floyd) and also Brian Wilson taking too much and also having 'delicate impositions' anyway. Suppose as much as it is recreational and fun for so many, like any other drug (including drink !) it can fook up those who react badly to it or who already have weaknesses
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Oh and just for those that get offended by these threads, no one is advising anyone to take anything or advocating anything... :68:
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LOL hey are om thinking of cactus juices ffs what the ancients used i think lol,,,,same thing ish 
Having loads of LSD is like wow they must have been crazy to the limit cos the bit i had with E's coated with lsd back in the late 90's called ferrari's lol they blew your face off and then you tripped after you was off your tits already, never took more than two during one night but some lads was popping them like smarties like 13 in one night ffs, nutters but we was at nighclubs dancing away,
I do recall waking up at a couples house in Staffordshire the one time and i could not recall how i got there after waking up LOL i shall not comment on what happend that night but in my defence she was smoking hot and maybe thats why i ended back at theres and partied ahem,,,,oh cmon i was about 20 ish lol
Having loads of LSD is like wow they must have been crazy to the limit cos the bit i had with E's coated with lsd back in the late 90's called ferrari's lol they blew your face off and then you tripped after you was off your tits already, never took more than two during one night but some lads was popping them like smarties like 13 in one night ffs, nutters but we was at nighclubs dancing away,
I do recall waking up at a couples house in Staffordshire the one time and i could not recall how i got there after waking up LOL i shall not comment on what happend that night but in my defence she was smoking hot and maybe thats why i ended back at theres and partied ahem,,,,oh cmon i was about 20 ish lol
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
The majority of drugs of any kind are used in medical ways. For example Cocaine is used in a medical way in dentistry for numbing the mouth. The difference is this way it is used in controlled environment in a legal way.
The usage of these substances which are a problem is because they have found there way onto the illegal markets.
So what I am saying is there is a legal way for drugs to be used. Then there is the illegal way. Not everyone knows this hence why I am posting about it.
The usage of these substances which are a problem is because they have found there way onto the illegal markets.
So what I am saying is there is a legal way for drugs to be used. Then there is the illegal way. Not everyone knows this hence why I am posting about it.
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Somebody else has Fear on ignore again i see :59: :9:
