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The Matt Targett Thread

Silhillvilla said:
I know this is the Targett thread but all this talk of Digne being a big upgrade is a bit premature for me . He looks no better so far . Early days though.
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The worrying thing is how a 36 year old winger Ashley Young slotted in against Southampton and didn' tlook out of place
 
Silhillvilla said:
I know this is the Targett thread but all this talk of Digne being a big upgrade is a bit premature for me . He looks no better so far . Early days though.
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Defensively that's a fair enough but for me I definitely think he is much better with the ball. Targett can only play the ball square, backwards or fire it up the line or give a shitty little dribbly pass up the line. Digne for me can ball short and fast football. He can play it diagonally forward and hard and fast down the line to feet. Plus he has the stamina and pace to get up and down the line as well as the brains to pass and move. Final ball has definitely been a disappointment but he has been one of the creative forces for Everton over the years so I doubt that just disappears.
 
CDX_EIRE said:
Defensively that's a fair enough but for me I definitely think he is much better with the ball. Targett can only play the ball square, backwards or fire it up the line or give a shitty little dribbly pass up the line. Digne for me can ball short and fast football. He can play it diagonally forward and hard and fast down the line to feet. Plus he has the stamina and pace to get up and down the line as well as the brains to pass and move. Final ball has definitely been a disappointment but he has been one of the creative forces for Everton over the years so I doubt that just disappears.
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I don't disagree I just don't think we've seen much of it in a villa shirt yet. He's probably one for next season once fully bedded in
 
Melon Donkey said:
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Not just me that thought that then.

Get them running up the steps of the Holte next.
These modern training methods are sure to persuade PC to stay and others similar to sign.

Meanwhile at every other Premier league club .....
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Bar Leeds who train with medicine balls and nothing but run run run.
Villa have special diets for each player depending on the day of the week and when the next match day is, the sports science is unbelievably complicated these days. Not sure if makes that much difference to the likes of a normal person but to top pro footballers it's the difference between getting that extra 6 points a season or whatever.
No amount of training would have ever got me to PL level fitness that is a fact and I'm guessing that's why some absolutely brilliant footballers never get past the Sunday league
 
1958Villan said:
Increased pace and stamina can be built in by specialised training my friend.
With pace it's the first 5 to 10 yards that count, 99% of the time and that is definitely something that can be trained for, ask a sprinter.
With stamina it's a lot of hard work, There's two training methods that have results.
One: Suicides. Start on the goal line and sprint to the front edge of the six-yard box, touch the line and sprint back, without stopping sprint to the twele yard spot, touch the line and sprint back, without stopping sprint to the eighteen yard box line, touch and sprint back. That is one suicide.
Two: Distance. Start at the corner flag and sprint to the halfway line, there you jog to the next corner flag, where you sprint to the next corner flag, then you jog to the halfway line, then sprint to the corner flag and finally jog to the starting position.
While one group are doing the jog/sprints around the pitch, another group are doing the suicides and should be able to do at least ten suicides, to start with while the other group are doing a lap. Once the group lapping complete one lap the groups should change. With half an hour warm up, stretching muscles and half an hour warm down, there's a three hour fitness regime to be followed by a shower and lunch. In the afternoon practice should include ball control, free-kicks and throw-ins, or practising the system to be used in the next match.
Just because footballers are 'earning' thousands a week, doesn't mean they shouldn't work bloody hard.
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All due respect but we employ people with top qualifications and PhDs in the field so doing 10 'suicides' and running to the halfway line might have had a place in the 1970s but it doesn't now. Most stretching is also dynamic rather than static and it was found out to reduce injuries.

Very funny most mate.
 
1958Villan said:
OK then, how would you get them fit enough to play high intensity football for 120 minutes.
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I was referring to your sweeping generalisation that all players aren't fit enough to play 90 mins which is complete nonsense.

As to getting them fit enough I will leave that to the team of qualified fitness and strength and conditioning coaches that all clubs employ. I wouldn't dare try and lecture them on their job unless I thought I knew more than them.

Having run 28 marathons though and followed expert training plans to train for them , I have never ever come across methods as you describe. What exactly were you training for when you did them ?
 
Villan57 said:
Bar Leeds who train with medicine balls and nothing but run run run.
Villa have special diets for each player depending on the day of the week and when the next match day is, the sports science is unbelievably complicated these days. Not sure if makes that much difference to the likes of a normal person but to top pro footballers it's the difference between getting that extra 6 points a season or whatever.
No amount of training would have ever got me to PL level fitness that is a fact and I'm guessing that's why some absolutely brilliant footballers never get past the Sunday league
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Yes every single top flight player is an outlier athlete with respect to the normal person to begin with and then we employ top coaches, sports scientists etc to tailor programmes and diets specifically for them.
 
Villan57 said:
Bar Leeds who train with medicine balls and nothing but run run run.
Villa have special diets for each player depending on the day of the week and when the next match day is, the sports science is unbelievably complicated these days. Not sure if makes that much difference to the likes of a normal person but to top pro footballers it's the difference between getting that extra 6 points a season or whatever.
No amount of training would have ever got me to PL level fitness that is a fact and I'm guessing that's why some absolutely brilliant footballers never get past the Sunday league
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"Villa have special diets for each player depending on the day of the week"
What's wrong with raw steak & 10 pints a night? Good enough for the historic greats and 'our Jack' - just look how he's gone down hill with all Pep's foreign nonsense.

All this fancy foreign, university doctorate stuff - it's just not British. Club doctors and what have you - just wrap a bloody towel around your head and get back out there. If the goaly's arm is broken stick him on the wing; if a player breaks his leg stick him in goal - no great science to it just good old British common sense.
 
sirdennis said:
I was referring to your sweeping generalisation that all players aren't fit enough to play 90 mins which is complete nonsense.

As to getting them fit enough I will leave that to the team of qualified fitness and strength and conditioning coaches that all clubs employ. I wouldn't dare try and lecture them on their job unless I thought I knew more than them.

Having run 28 marathons though and followed expert training plans to train for them , I have never ever come across methods as you describe. What exactly were you training for when you did them ?
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We've for a long time deployed a style that was hardly high intensity (under Smith) so to change that is a massive effort but that isn't done by getting the lads to do suicides and run back and forth between the half way line many times.
 
Sorry think I may have started this but I stand by my thoughts that certain players will hit their max and they cant just be trained to have better acceleration or stamina. Targett was weak in them aspects and for me was deemed not good enough for that system. He may have prospered better now we've tweaked it so the wingers arent going back and forward so often but I wont lose sleep over him going thats for sure.
 
GreensladeUTV said:
Sorry think I may have started this but I stand by my thoughts that certain players will hit their max and they cant just be trained to have better acceleration or stamina. Targett was weak in them aspects and for me was deemed not good enough for that system. He may have prospered better now we've tweaked it so the wingers arent going back and forward so often but I wont lose sleep over him going thats for sure.
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Targett was at his best when there were no fans watching/giving him "advice." Not a coincidence in my humble opinion.
It will be interesting to see the feedback from the geordies after they've had a few bad games and the fans start getting at the players....
 
gmvillan said:
Targett was at his best when there were no fans watching/giving him "advice." Not a coincidence in my humble opinion.
It will be interesting to see the feedback from the geordies after they've had a few bad games and the fans start getting at the players....
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The game at Old Trafford when Digne had signed or was about to sign was another key indicator. He was shook for a good 20 minutes before getting into the game. I don't think they'll see his deficiencies until next season. This year they're just trying to survive and that means being defensively solid. They're loving that aspect of his game and they can't believe we let them have him. Next season when Howe tries to be more progressive they'll see he isnt capable and it'll probably all make sense.
 
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