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Alex Gibney's documentary aiming to rigorously chart the movements of one of the World's most famous liars...
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The Armstrong Lie
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Is he friends with Michael Moore?
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Certainly doesn't lick Conrad Black's ballsack.
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For those who are interested, here is Gibney on the 'making-of', from Venice Film Fest
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Dimitar Edertov
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David Walsh "A good story is always worth pursuing"... "if you're right, good people will come out to help you"... "it's ok to swim against the tide"... and Britain's libel laws "are seriously deficient - they have zero interest in the truth".
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I'm no cycling fan but am interested in this whole saga. I think a David Walsh Documentary or film should be in the pipeline. The pursuit of the truth is a far more interesting story than the lies of Lance.
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I'm no cycling fan but am interested in this whole saga. I think a David Walsh Documentary or film should be in the pipeline. The pursuit of the truth is a far more interesting story than the lies of Lance.
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Paul Kimmage lost his job and was shunned for years, as a journalist because of Armstrong, his henchmen and the gullible followers (like a former poster on VS) that not only argued vehemently that Armstrong was innocent of all allegations but that the people who believed and the witnesses who were in his company when he spoke about and took performance enhancing drugs, had some sort of agenda and they were probably just jealous of a 'hero' (pfffftttt) who had done something they could never achieve.
Well there was the joke in it all. I bet they felt pretty dumb afterward. Maybe they learned a valuable lesson!!
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Well there was the joke in it all. I bet they felt pretty dumb afterward. Maybe they learned a valuable lesson!!
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Sorry you feel that way about cycling Don
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The UCI were the guys who really attacked Kimmage. Armstrong was merely denying everything that came his way. He had the governing body on his side, after all.
So no cycling fans on this forum then??
Shame.
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Not a cycling fan but I really wish the media would do something this useful with our politicians....globally.
I am tired of fabricated realities. Fed up with bullshit. And have no patience for frauds.
To bring it around...this is backdropped by the Olympics where I personally know of three REAL individual struggles to get to this competition. No Gold medals...at least not yet, but victories nonetheless. Sport at its best.
I am tired of fabricated realities. Fed up with bullshit. And have no patience for frauds.
To bring it around...this is backdropped by the Olympics where I personally know of three REAL individual struggles to get to this competition. No Gold medals...at least not yet, but victories nonetheless. Sport at its best.
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I like the biathlon, myself.
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Wake up Galvin!
Lance Armstrong: I would still be lying to this day if I hadn’t been caught
Ben Rumsby, The Daily Telegraph, National Post Wire Services | August 20, 2014 8:30 AM ET
The relentless ferocity of Lance Armstrong's denials has been re-examined in the wake of his admission, his behaviour cited as showing the signs of narcissistic personality disorder.
Thao Nguyen/The Associated PressThe relentless ferocity of Lance Armstrong's denials has been re-examined in the wake of his admission, his behaviour cited as showing the signs of narcissistic personality disorder.
Lance Armstrong finally admits he was a cheater, just a very good one
Up until last January, you either believed Lance Armstrong used performance-enhancing drugs while he won seven straight Tour de France titles, or you were a sucker.
It required great stores of cognitive dissonance to believe anything else. In recent years, the list of former Armstrong associates who had implicated him in drug use had grown to include not just a disgruntled masseuse and a bike mechanic, but teammates who had sweated, bled and crashed alongside the fabled cancer survivor on the slopes of the Pyrenees. An Italian doctor with a long-time relationship with Armstrong had been convicted on doping charges.
It was the sporting deception to end them all, and Lance Armstrong has admitted that he would still be lying about doping to this day had he not been unmasked two years ago.
The man who cheated his way to a record seven successive Tour de France triumphs after recovering from cancer revealed that he would never have come clean unless forced to do so.
In a telephone interview with CNN, the disgraced cyclist said: “Once you say ‘No’ you have to keep saying ‘No’. If this stuff hadn’t taken place with the federal investigation, I’d probably still be saying ‘No’ with the same conviction and tone as before. But that gig is up.”
Armstrong, serving a life ban from sport, said that he would not have confessed even for the sake of his five children. “Well, that’s a conversation for my kids. But there was a lot of stuff in that lie, not simply me saying ‘No.’ I couldn’t change the story.”
The relentless ferocity of Armstrong’s denials has been re-examined in the wake of his admission, his behaviour cited as showing the signs of narcissistic personality disorder.
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Lance Armstrong says he ‘held out’ from doping at first, hoping tests would rid cycling of drug cheats, ex-cyclist says in George Hincapie’s book
Lance Armstrong’s longtime coach banned for 10 years for helping organize ‘widespread’ doping
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Asked about seeking therapy, Armstrong, 42, said: “My therapy is riding my bike, playing golf and having a beer. I haven’t gotten around to it [therapy]. I get it totally, but it’s not something that’s taken place yet.”
Armstrong revealed that he was instead planning a new book, promising it would be completely honest, unlike his fraudulent best-seller, It’s Not About the Bike. “I need to write a book and it needs to be pretty raw,” said Armstrong, who branded the feeding frenzy around his fall from grace a “cesspool.”
“The book needs to be pretty intense and transparent. It has to be the right book, the right tone and there has to be totally no bull—-.”
I don’t blame anyone for thinking, ‘I don’t trust this guy with all his bull—- for 10 years.’
Having discussed his doping past with the Cycling Independent Reform Commission this summer, he said: “I’m fully committed to putting it all out there.” But despite insisting he was “sorry” and “embarrassed” by his behaviour, he admitted he had lost all credibility. “I don’t blame anyone for thinking, ‘I don’t trust this guy with all his bull—- for 10 years.’ “
Armstrong may need the royalties from any book if he loses a US$100-million lawsuit filed by the U.S. Federal Government in an attempt to recoup the money it invested in sponsoring his Tour de France–winning U.S. Postal team. “I’m very confident that that’s a winner for us,” he said. “I don’t think anyone can truly argue the U.S. Postal Service was damaged. They made a lot of money in the deal and got what they bargained for. I worked my ass off for them and I’m proud of it.”
Armstrong also questioned why he had been banned for life from all sport and stripped of all his Tour de France titles, while other proven dopers had escaped the same fate. “I think most people are smart enough to say: ‘That doesn’t make any sense,’ ” he said, pointing out that drugs had been a scourge on cycling both before and after his time in the sport. “What stands out in a lot of people’s minds is that we all know what happened in those other years, but those [results] still stand.”
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/08/20/lance-armstrong-i-would-still-be-lying-to-this-day-if-i-hadnt-been-caught/
Lance Armstrong: I would still be lying to this day if I hadn’t been caught
Ben Rumsby, The Daily Telegraph, National Post Wire Services | August 20, 2014 8:30 AM ET
The relentless ferocity of Lance Armstrong's denials has been re-examined in the wake of his admission, his behaviour cited as showing the signs of narcissistic personality disorder.
Thao Nguyen/The Associated PressThe relentless ferocity of Lance Armstrong's denials has been re-examined in the wake of his admission, his behaviour cited as showing the signs of narcissistic personality disorder.
Lance Armstrong finally admits he was a cheater, just a very good one
Up until last January, you either believed Lance Armstrong used performance-enhancing drugs while he won seven straight Tour de France titles, or you were a sucker.
It required great stores of cognitive dissonance to believe anything else. In recent years, the list of former Armstrong associates who had implicated him in drug use had grown to include not just a disgruntled masseuse and a bike mechanic, but teammates who had sweated, bled and crashed alongside the fabled cancer survivor on the slopes of the Pyrenees. An Italian doctor with a long-time relationship with Armstrong had been convicted on doping charges.
It was the sporting deception to end them all, and Lance Armstrong has admitted that he would still be lying about doping to this day had he not been unmasked two years ago.
The man who cheated his way to a record seven successive Tour de France triumphs after recovering from cancer revealed that he would never have come clean unless forced to do so.
In a telephone interview with CNN, the disgraced cyclist said: “Once you say ‘No’ you have to keep saying ‘No’. If this stuff hadn’t taken place with the federal investigation, I’d probably still be saying ‘No’ with the same conviction and tone as before. But that gig is up.”
Armstrong, serving a life ban from sport, said that he would not have confessed even for the sake of his five children. “Well, that’s a conversation for my kids. But there was a lot of stuff in that lie, not simply me saying ‘No.’ I couldn’t change the story.”
The relentless ferocity of Armstrong’s denials has been re-examined in the wake of his admission, his behaviour cited as showing the signs of narcissistic personality disorder.
______________________________________
Related
Lance Armstrong says he ‘held out’ from doping at first, hoping tests would rid cycling of drug cheats, ex-cyclist says in George Hincapie’s book
Lance Armstrong’s longtime coach banned for 10 years for helping organize ‘widespread’ doping
__________________________________________________
Asked about seeking therapy, Armstrong, 42, said: “My therapy is riding my bike, playing golf and having a beer. I haven’t gotten around to it [therapy]. I get it totally, but it’s not something that’s taken place yet.”
Armstrong revealed that he was instead planning a new book, promising it would be completely honest, unlike his fraudulent best-seller, It’s Not About the Bike. “I need to write a book and it needs to be pretty raw,” said Armstrong, who branded the feeding frenzy around his fall from grace a “cesspool.”
“The book needs to be pretty intense and transparent. It has to be the right book, the right tone and there has to be totally no bull—-.”
I don’t blame anyone for thinking, ‘I don’t trust this guy with all his bull—- for 10 years.’
Having discussed his doping past with the Cycling Independent Reform Commission this summer, he said: “I’m fully committed to putting it all out there.” But despite insisting he was “sorry” and “embarrassed” by his behaviour, he admitted he had lost all credibility. “I don’t blame anyone for thinking, ‘I don’t trust this guy with all his bull—- for 10 years.’ “
Armstrong may need the royalties from any book if he loses a US$100-million lawsuit filed by the U.S. Federal Government in an attempt to recoup the money it invested in sponsoring his Tour de France–winning U.S. Postal team. “I’m very confident that that’s a winner for us,” he said. “I don’t think anyone can truly argue the U.S. Postal Service was damaged. They made a lot of money in the deal and got what they bargained for. I worked my ass off for them and I’m proud of it.”
Armstrong also questioned why he had been banned for life from all sport and stripped of all his Tour de France titles, while other proven dopers had escaped the same fate. “I think most people are smart enough to say: ‘That doesn’t make any sense,’ ” he said, pointing out that drugs had been a scourge on cycling both before and after his time in the sport. “What stands out in a lot of people’s minds is that we all know what happened in those other years, but those [results] still stand.”
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/08/20/lance-armstrong-i-would-still-be-lying-to-this-day-if-i-hadnt-been-caught/
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A reformed repentant recalcitrant he may now well be, he may in some eyes also be a long standing hidden recidivist.
Naked ambition and the lure of incredible riches without a strong moral compass and a capacity for integrity and honesty are a heady mix for a driven achiever and clearly clouds judgement.
But it shouldn't be forgotten what good he achieved off of a bike. His foundation saved many lives and until he was exposed, it touched many more for the good.
No doubt there will be some who will never forget what he also did so very callously to those who tried to expose him, but how often do we have to accept that even supposed giants have feet of clay and are after all, just base human beings?
Naked ambition and the lure of incredible riches without a strong moral compass and a capacity for integrity and honesty are a heady mix for a driven achiever and clearly clouds judgement.
But it shouldn't be forgotten what good he achieved off of a bike. His foundation saved many lives and until he was exposed, it touched many more for the good.
No doubt there will be some who will never forget what he also did so very callously to those who tried to expose him, but how often do we have to accept that even supposed giants have feet of clay and are after all, just base human beings?
