The 5 stages of loss and grief
- Thread starter kefkat
- Start date
G
Guest
Guest
Now when it comes to loss of a loved one i have learnt i am weak in coping with this, cry like a baby at times over me uncle and nan a proper big tit style :3: even do it seeing one of me kids on a machine keeping him breathing and alive, i don't cry knowing my sight is slowly going at all i shit myself scared like mainly for me kids in hope they get bigger and older so they won't need me as much to protect them if you know what i mean, i don't fear confrontation from some big ba**ads i have had to fight over the years but when it comes to family and freinds who i have seen die i am emotionally weak as they come dude,,,,,a big tit :3:
Yam a tough dude Fear dude compared to me, the ones with inner strength am defo the tough ba**ads in this life imo and best prepared, i got balls but not when it comes to feelings of loss etc i am a fanny then dude.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
Nothing wrong with tears Clive. Might not what you want to admit in the sense that you are here making a joke out of it. However if we weren't meant to cry we wouldn't have tear ducts. Signs of a man who can cry and admit it.
Take it from someone who knows. I had to bloody learn how to cry when I went into recovery. Mr K would say just let it out and cry and I would sniff 'I bloody wish I could. My head would hurt and I could feel the tears stuck, as I had so many years of being told not to cry etc'. I would screech at him 'I flaming can't. They are stuck'
Nothing wrong with your tears Clive. Only don't get asking me for kleenex. you wull have to get your own, as I am always welling up over something even good things.
Take it from someone who knows. I had to bloody learn how to cry when I went into recovery. Mr K would say just let it out and cry and I would sniff 'I bloody wish I could. My head would hurt and I could feel the tears stuck, as I had so many years of being told not to cry etc'. I would screech at him 'I flaming can't. They are stuck'
Nothing wrong with your tears Clive. Only don't get asking me for kleenex. you wull have to get your own, as I am always welling up over something even good things.
HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
http://www.recoveringfromrecovery.com/sober-truth-debunking-bad-science-12-step-programs-rehab-industry/
The book explores the religious background of AA and how the steps are based on morality and can actually hinder the progress of an individual who is already aware of many of their failings.
There is a large body of evidence now looking at AA success rate, and the success rate of AA is between 5 and 10 percent. Most people don’t seem to know that because it’s not widely publicized.
It’s not only that AA has a 5 to 10 percent success rate; if it was successful and was neutral the rest of the time, we’d say OK. But it’s harmful to the 90 percent who don’t do well.
The book explores the religious background of AA and how the steps are based on morality and can actually hinder the progress of an individual who is already aware of many of their failings.
There is a large body of evidence now looking at AA success rate, and the success rate of AA is between 5 and 10 percent. Most people don’t seem to know that because it’s not widely publicized.
It’s not only that AA has a 5 to 10 percent success rate; if it was successful and was neutral the rest of the time, we’d say OK. But it’s harmful to the 90 percent who don’t do well.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
The Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
G
Guest
Guest
Amen KK, i would never have admited this years back when i used to hang round with me mates etc, but as i have got older i have learned just how fragile life is and seeing other people suffer or gone from life just gets me, my inner namby pamby as Fear dude calls it :19: will always be there, and me dad always used to say i was a spoilt tit :3:
I know what you mean about feeling so upset but no tears type thing, inside the church at me uncles funeral exactly the same happand, yet before and after i was welling up with tears spontainiously all the time, yet inside the church it was like i had that sucking up air fast cry and you make that silly noise like an heecup :3: but no tears then, strange that,
Fear is a real man KK namby pamby's like me cry :17:
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
The Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/23/the_pseudo_science_of_alcoholics_anonymous_theres_a_better_way_to_treat_addiction/
In 2006, one of the most prestigious scientific research organizations in the world, the Cochrane Collaboration, conducted a review of the many studies conducted between 1966 and 2005 and reached a stunning conclusion: “No experimental studies unequivocally demonstrated the effectiveness of AA” in treating alcoholism.
I will simply say that there are indeed better treatments for addiction—but the issues with AA’s approach run far deeper than its statistical success rate
AA has managed to survive, in part, because members who become and remain sober speak and write about it regularly. This is no accident: AA’s twelfth step expressly tells members to proselytize for the organization: “Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these"
Adherence to this step has created a classic sampling error: because most of us hear only from the people who succeeded in the program, it is natural to conclude that they represent the whole. In reality, these members speak for an exceptionally small percentage of addicts, as we will see.
Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. In other words, the program doesn’t fail; you fail. Imagine dismissing millions of people who did not respond to a new form of chemotherapy as “constitutionally incapable” of properly receiving the drug.
In 2006, one of the most prestigious scientific research organizations in the world, the Cochrane Collaboration, conducted a review of the many studies conducted between 1966 and 2005 and reached a stunning conclusion: “No experimental studies unequivocally demonstrated the effectiveness of AA” in treating alcoholism.
I will simply say that there are indeed better treatments for addiction—but the issues with AA’s approach run far deeper than its statistical success rate
AA has managed to survive, in part, because members who become and remain sober speak and write about it regularly. This is no accident: AA’s twelfth step expressly tells members to proselytize for the organization: “Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these"
Adherence to this step has created a classic sampling error: because most of us hear only from the people who succeeded in the program, it is natural to conclude that they represent the whole. In reality, these members speak for an exceptionally small percentage of addicts, as we will see.
Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. In other words, the program doesn’t fail; you fail. Imagine dismissing millions of people who did not respond to a new form of chemotherapy as “constitutionally incapable” of properly receiving the drug.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
The Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
The Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
Why do you continue to be so blind. You are one of the 5-10%. Good for you - congratulations. And well done for doing exactly what they want you to do, even here, now. They have full control over you, just like they want.
AA is no more successful than being left to your own devices. The Statistics are there to see. Science tells me there are more successful methods of treatment, all of which would have helped you if you had used them. All of these leave you free of thought, and free from all the entrapments of a Religion to carry through the rest of your life.
Those that fail AA are left high and dry; left to fend for themselves after being told THEY failed. They very often don't go on to seek other treatments, being told that AA is the be all and end all. In short - they are worse of than when they started. That's 90%. A massive majority.
You are living proof of these facts, and continue to demonstrate that their philosophy works on a daily basis, ensuring their continued survival despite the lack of success. You have to admire their brainwashing techniques.
AA is no more successful than being left to your own devices. The Statistics are there to see. Science tells me there are more successful methods of treatment, all of which would have helped you if you had used them. All of these leave you free of thought, and free from all the entrapments of a Religion to carry through the rest of your life.
Those that fail AA are left high and dry; left to fend for themselves after being told THEY failed. They very often don't go on to seek other treatments, being told that AA is the be all and end all. In short - they are worse of than when they started. That's 90%. A massive majority.
You are living proof of these facts, and continue to demonstrate that their philosophy works on a daily basis, ensuring their continued survival despite the lack of success. You have to admire their brainwashing techniques.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
The Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
Your answer involves a process that has the same success rate as doing nothing? Whooppee. The reason other treatments are sidelined is because of the marketing and folklore surrounding AA. If more knew the truth, then treatment would be readily available, and taken more seriously. You've helped cause this situation, hence causing the suffering of many.
I'll ask a couple of questions. Is your recovery worth knowing that you've ruined hundred's of others lives? What do you do about the ones that didn't benefit from the "treatment"?
I'll ask a couple of questions. Is your recovery worth knowing that you've ruined hundred's of others lives? What do you do about the ones that didn't benefit from the "treatment"?
G
Guest
Guest
Is the naughty nurse coming out to play tonight?
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
The Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
G
Guest
Guest
Arresting Policewoman?
HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
I have a degree in Statistics. I know they don't lie.
You have anecdotal evidence and a personal success story.
I know which most would believe given the choice. It's just such a shame they don't get one.
You have anecdotal evidence and a personal success story.
I know which most would believe given the choice. It's just such a shame they don't get one.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
The Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
If you look back you will see I have replaced every single post I have put about A.A with our Traditions. I draw your attention to No 10 as I have now stood back and realised I shouldn't have argued with Heath, because of, hence all responses from Heath will be followed by this
..................................................................................................................................................................
The Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous (Not steps, how our fellowship works. The steps are not the traditions)
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
..................................................................................................................................................................
The Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous (Not steps, how our fellowship works. The steps are not the traditions)
1/ Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity.
2/ For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3/ The only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.
4 Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.
5/Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the alcoholic who still suffers.
6/ An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose.
7/Every A.A. group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8/Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional, but our service centers may employ special workers.
9/A.A., as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.
10/Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy.
11/Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.
12/Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.
