That Amesbury Incident

hulloutpost said:
Please note the officer that detained the violent criminal was subsequently investigated and the CPS have decided he will not be prosecuted (caveat, obviously the IOPC will be conducting their own witch hunts ad infinitum).

Compare and contrast the radio silence, lies and rush to tell everyone not to assume what had happened at Southport. Starmer and others insisted they would not be commenting as it was a live investigation and it could undermine justice

Another example of hypocrisy in action. They can't pick and choose, they either comment on all matters of significant national publicity or none, not just ones that suit their ideology.

Not even a particularly good attempt at gas lighting on your part really.
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Gas lighting? I'm not even sure what that means anymore.

The PM saying 'concerned' is just political speak for a)we are aware of something, b)it's gone viral, c)we are monitoring it and d) I need to say something right now. They would have been advised to say something neutral along those lines. But of course social media attempts to find hidden meaning and offence about something inconsequential. I thought it was the left who played these silly games? Linking it to Southport is just another extension of it.
 
hulloutpost said:
Liebour will be hating the Jones trial. Compare and contrast.

Middle aged woman of previous good character with children to look after is very emotional having personally suffered the loss of her own child, when a second generation immigrant slaughters young children in the name of ideology; posts a reactionary unpleasant message saying she isn't bothered (not calling for note) if migrant hotels are burned down. She realises the error of her actions and quickly deletes/ apologises. Henceforth, arrested, fast tracked and sentenced to 31 months having pleaded guilty, as such commentary is a grave siren call to the mob.

Then we have middle aged man, presumed of previous good character holding a role of responsibility as a local councillor, performs in front of a frenzied baying mob calling for (note not simply saying he isn't bothered) people of a specific but subjective group to actually have their throats cut, cheered enthusiastically by aforementioned baying mob. Treated as not a grave siren call to the mob as he has been on bail since he pleaded not guilty.

Where does this leave Liebour and 2TK. It's a lose, lose really. If he is acquitted, cue public outrage at perceived 2T justice (fair play to him for chancing ng as Connolly should have done because it clearly didn't reduce her sentence) and if he is convicted and doesn't get in excess of 31 months, cue public outrage at perceived 2T justice with more people getting off the fence as they realise what this country has become.

Tick tock.
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100% agree with this.

I still cant believe the amount of people who just ignore the “for all I care” part of her tweet, I don’t believe she was saying going out and do it, but would be apathetic if it happened.

It’s going to be a fun watch seeing 2TK squirm his was through answering whatever outcome on this one.
 
EastvilleIMP said:
100% agree with this.

I still cant believe the amount of people who just ignore the “for all I care” part of her tweet, I don’t believe she was saying going out and do it, but would be apathetic if it happened.

It’s going to be a fun watch seeing 2TK squirm his was through answering whatever outcome on this one.
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Fun indeed. An emotional unintended response that could have wrongly been interpreted as a dog whistle taken out of context at worst, versus a deliberately provocative direct call to arms in front of a mob who were quite probably going to confront the people whose throats he wanted slit. Pick the bones out of that one 2T.
 
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imp73 said:
Gas lighting? I'm not even sure what that means anymore.

The PM saying 'concerned' is just political speak for a)we are aware of something, b)it's gone viral, c)we are monitoring it and d) I need to say something right now. They would have been advised to say something neutral along those lines. But of course social media attempts to find hidden meaning and offence about something inconsequential. I thought it was the left who played these silly games? Linking it to Southport is just another extension of it.
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Gaslighting, look up the definition, it fits;)

It wasn't simply 2T though was it, there were the others and as their leader he allowed it to stand. I see the Rochdale MP made a humiliating climb down without actually apologising for his part in stirring it up without knowing the full context

The Southport response correlates perfectly to the double standards that were applied to Manchester. We will disagree, other people can make their own mind up
 
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impede said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1952466885209178367
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Robinson: This would appear to be the case for the defence, perhaps we could see the video footage at some point and see if there is a case for the prosecution. That thing called full context rather than selective editing.

Very confident (or foolish) and bullish to come out as strongly as he has given he will have had extensive legal advice; and what he says here would be admissible in evidence as 'unsolicited comments' which are not subject to legal privilege, should he ever be charged. I can only imagine he must have given that account during his police interview as opposed to going 'no comment'. His bullishness suggests that from his perspective there is extensive footage which he at least believes indicate his actions were reasonable and proportionate to the situation he found himself in.

I guess we will find out as the story will disappear quicker than a Starmer private life 'D' notice if there is no prosecution, or we will have wall to wall Robinson derangement syndrome if a prosecution has legs.


Have you got September 13th in your diary @impede? You like a good protest but you would probably find this one a bit too peaceful and orderly for your liking, with a dearth of face coverings.
 
impede said:
Yep, and put "looks like" and "might" so your point is? The nice bit is about Tommy Andrew McMaster Paul Harris Wayne King Stephen Lennon Robinson himself as he is proven low life scumbag time and time again. We await to see if is this time
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www.dailymail.co.uk

Tommy Robinson will not be charged over St Pancras 'assault'

Tommy Robinson will not be charged over an alleged assault at St Pancras railway stations last month.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

I imagine some people will be disappointed that 'they' didn't even have any evidence to give it a run at court......and I bet 'they' were desperate to. Sounds like he was telling the truth when he explained that some extremist had attacked him.

The midnight oil will be burning to come up with something else to prevent Mr. Robinson putting in an appearance in London on September 13th. I'm sure they will be able to find a tweet that he liked in 2014 that wasn't 'on message'.
 
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www.standard.co.uk

Suspected arsonists at Keir Starmer properties plead not guilty

Defendants are set to stand trial over the alleged arson campaign in April next year
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk

Couldn't find any reference to this on the BBC, maybe I didn't look hard enough. At least The Standard and GB News reported the update.

Anyway, I'm quite sure the men aren't holding off on their guilty pleas just to see what a sweet heart deal they can get offered for a redacted court summary of what happened, or strangely thinking the trial could even collapse under mysterious circumstances, not to be disclosed in the public interest.
 
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hulloutpost said:
www.standard.co.uk

Suspected arsonists at Keir Starmer properties plead not guilty

Defendants are set to stand trial over the alleged arson campaign in April next year
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk

Couldn't find any reference to this on the BBC, maybe I didn't look hard enough. Al least The Standard and GB News reported the update.

Anyway, I'm quite sure the men aren't holding off on their guilty pleas to see just what a sweet heart deal they can get offered for a redacted court summary of what happned, or strangely thinking the trial could even collapse under mysterious circumstances, not to be disclosed in the public interest.
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www.bbc.co.uk

Two men plead not guilty over fires at homes linked to PM Starmer

The charges relate to a vehicle fire and blazes at properties linked to Sir Keir Starmer.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

There you go, pretty much says the same thing. I wonder why the third wasn't asked to enter a plea? There's no mention of a reason he wouldn't be able to.
 
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Tired and Emotional said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Two men plead not guilty over fires at homes linked to PM Starmer

The charges relate to a vehicle fire and blazes at properties linked to Sir Keir Starmer.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

There you go, pretty much says the same thing. I wonder why the third wasn't asked to enter a plea? There's no mention of a reason he wouldn't be able to.
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He has maybe pleaded guilty and they aren't releasing it so as not to 'transfer' guilt by association on the other two ahead of their trial.
 
Tommy Robinson has been cleared of failing to provide his phone PIN under terrorism charges. The summary of the judges comments in reaching his verdict make for interesting reading:

“I cannot put out of my mind that it was actually what you [Tommy Robinson] stood for and your political beliefs that acted for the principal reason for this stop.”
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Judge Goose criticized the conduct of the officers involved in the border stop under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. He noted:
  • Officers had no clear recollection of the questions asked during the 40-minute stop.
  • They failed to record specific reasons for selecting Robinson.
  • The stop appeared arbitrary and based on “who you are.”
  • The decision seemed to be based on a protected characteristic.
He concluded:
“I cannot convict you.”
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This statement underscored the judge’s view that the stop was politically motivated and lacked legal justification.

Whether you despise the man or empathise with his beliefs is irrelevant. This is further clear and concerning evidence of the attack on our freedoms and state over reach. He was targeted for his beliefs and what he stands for, just let that sink in. (Not that MSM will be presenting the verdict in this context naturally).

The shocking part isn't that he was targeted by a lone police officer, that can happen. No the truly chilling part is that the state arm of the judicial system i.e. the CPS didn't dismiss the ridiculous and spurious allegations out of hand, they actually ran with it!
 
hulloutpost said:
Tommy Robinson has been cleared of failing to provide his phone PIN under terrorism charges. The summary of the judges comments in reaching his verdict make for interesting reading:


Judge Goose criticized the conduct of the officers involved in the border stop under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. He noted:
  • Officers had no clear recollection of the questions asked during the 40-minute stop.
  • They failed to record specific reasons for selecting Robinson.
  • The stop appeared arbitrary and based on “who you are.”
  • The decision seemed to be based on a protected characteristic.
He concluded:

This statement underscored the judge’s view that the stop was politically motivated and lacked legal justification.

Whether you despise the man or empathise with his beliefs is irrelevant. This is further clear and concerning evidence of the attack on our freedoms and state over reach. He was targeted for his beliefs and what he stands for, just let that sink in. (Not that MSM will be presenting the verdict in this context naturally).

The shocking part isn't that he was targeted by a lone police officer, that can happen. No the truly chilling part is that the state arm of the judicial system i.e. the CPS didn't dismiss the ridiculous and spurious allegations out of hand, they actually ran with it!
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Gives you a glimmer of hope that there are still some judges that aren't left wing activists.
The bungling out of control cops and CPS need to be looked into for this. Thousand of pounds of legal costs generated for what?
 
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