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I am interested in seeing what y'all think of this issue. I find this ridiculous. My boys miss upwards of 40 days of school each year to participate in ski racing. The deal is that they have to maintain an 80+ average at school while they do this. Technology is a big help. We find their marks are HIGHER during the time when their schedule is the most intensive and they are missing th most time from school. No idea why but it is a fact.

This is just wrong......

Parents fined £1000 for term-time holiday
Posted: 16 January 2014
by Helen Brown
stewart sutherland
"The people who make these laws and policies don't live in the real world": Stewart Sutherland
A couple have been fined nearly £1000 for taking their children out of school for a week's holiday in September.

Stewart and Natasha Sutherland, from Telford, Shropshire, had originally been fined £360 but, after repeatedly refusing to pay, ended up in court.

"The people who make these laws and policies don't live in the real world," says Stewart, 39.

He said in court that he'd booked the holiday on the Greek island of Rhodes for himself, his wife, their two daughters, 15 and 13, and their son, 6, before the law about term-time holidays changed.

Stewart added, in an interview with the BBC, that it was his first family holiday for five years because his job as a Ministry of Defence guard prevents him from taking annual leave during the school holidays.

Last year, the Department for Education strengthened the power of schools to deal with unauthorised absence – and increased the amount parents can be fined.

So what are the new rules on term-time absence?

Previously, headteachers in England were able to grant up to 10 days of leave a year for family holidays in "special circumstances". But since September 1st 2013, they are no longer able to grant any absence except under "exceptional circumstances"

It's every parent's legal responsibility to ensure their children attend school and, if they fail to do so, they may be issued with penalty notices of up to £100. Failure to pay these penalties can lead to prosecution, with the risk of £2500 fine and/or a community or jail sentence.

"Poor attendance at school can have a hugely damaging effect," says a Department of Education spokesperson. "Children who attend school regularly are nearly 4 times more likely to achieve five or more good GCSEs than those who are regularly absent."

http://www.madeformums.com/mums-and-dads/parents-fined-1000-for-term-time-holiday/28665.html
 
My sympathies!!

My kids (16 & 12) live with their mother in Richmond and their school insist on a 95% + attendance or else!!!

I have property in Turkey and live there 6 months of the year and struggle to afford air fares during school holidays for them to come out and see me.

The week before the Summer hols start air fares are around £60 and £200 during the hols but try asking for time off and they refuse even tho' the kids don't do a lot in the last week before they break up!!

Really annoying!!!

Rant over!!
 
Well the British education system is much better than ours. Your well read, your spelling and grammar is much better and you are much more aware of the world.
 
80deg16minW - 16/1/2014 19:39

Well the British education system is much better than ours. Your well read, your spelling and grammar is much better and you are much more aware of the world.

As 'your' grammar attests to! LOL! As 'you're' obviously not well read!

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Bazali - 16/1/2014 19:18

My sympathies!!

My kids (16 & 12) live with their mother in Richmond and their school insist on a 95% + attendance or else!!!

I have property in Turkey and live there 6 months of the year and struggle to afford air fares during school holidays for them to come out and see me.

The week before the Summer hols start air fares are around £60 and £200 during the hols but try asking for time off and they refuse even tho' the kids don't do a lot in the last week before they break up!!

Really annoying!!!

Rant over!!

Our holiday term time situation is an unmitigated mess. Like others, I too have always been irritated at having to pay 2-3 times more for flights etc at set times of the year.

I understand why hotels/airlines charge more during these periods - (Especially to Turkey ...!).

It really shouldn't be beyond the with of the DoE/LA's to come up with a better balanced system - at least one that for example that could spread the holiday demand across a longer period.

Taking away the discretion locally was always going to me a problem waiting to happen, trouble is the LA's/schools all wanted that power, so they could just dig their heels in and say 'it's not our fault, it's the law'...
 
One might understand the summer - peak time rates on everything - but the real nauseating practice is the price hike for one week during half-terms in October, February and May. That is the real scandal. Taking the fine might end up being cheaper if, like all good parents, you want to have a sharing family holiday.
 
If the blame is to be put on anyone, it's the airline companies chancing their arm with prices. The question should be put to them to why they rise their prices so ridiculously. Education is important, especially at young ages so enforcing attendance is important.

If you spread the holidays out to reduce the increased demand during the current times then the complaints will be made 'my kids all have different holidays so we can never spend time together' etc.
 
meee93 - 17/1/2014 13:03

If the blame is to be put on anyone, it's the airline companies chancing their arm with prices. The question should be put to them to why they rise their prices so ridiculously. Education is important, especially at young ages so enforcing attendance is important.

If you spread the holidays out to reduce the increased demand during the current times then the complaints will be made 'my kids all have different holidays so we can never spend time together' etc.

As we do with employees, you could easily allocate a number of holiday days to each pupil (except of course some key periods during terms) so that we actually could trust parents to make these decisions for themselves, with the caveat that if they were out of the recommended dates, the pupil(s) concerned were given homework/distance learning and has a clear plan created by their tutor(S) of how they would catch up...

..Of course it would mean that Teachers would have to be more flexible and meet the needs of their 'customers'....and we all know that will never happen!

Unions, the Nanny state and history have all combined to create these periods of Price discrimination...

Roll back the states interference, making distant learning and tutor flexibility (ok, the teachers would probably go on strike yet again - same as they will if labour get the chance to licence them) a key part of teaching and the problem would be solved...
 
Spursex - 17/1/2014 13:10

meee93 - 17/1/2014 13:03

If the blame is to be put on anyone, it's the airline companies chancing their arm with prices. The question should be put to them to why they rise their prices so ridiculously. Education is important, especially at young ages so enforcing attendance is important.

If you spread the holidays out to reduce the increased demand during the current times then the complaints will be made 'my kids all have different holidays so we can never spend time together' etc.

As we do with employees, you could easily allocate a number of holiday days to each pupil (except of course some key periods during terms) so that we actually could trust parents to make these decisions for themselves, with the caveat that if they were out of the recommended dates, the pupil(s) concerned were given homework/distance learning and has a clear plan created by their tutor(S) of how they would catch up...

..Of course it would mean that Teachers would have to be more flexible and meet the needs of their 'customers'....and we all know that will never happen!

Unions, the Nanny state and history have all combined to create these periods of Price discrimination...

Roll back the states interference, making distant learning and tutor flexibility (ok, the teachers would probably go on strike yet again - same as they will if labour get the chance to licence them) a key part of teaching and the problem would be solved...
Imagine trying to teach a class where your pupils present are constantly changing, it makes it practically impossible to get some consistency in teaching and getting theories across. And the vast majority of kids need a stable environment to work in to allow for quality learning.

When you look at things realistically, no matter what work the teachers give their pupils during their holidays most of the time it won't be done/to the standard needed and the teacher will be left in a position the next week where half the class knows what they're talking about and the other no having a clue. Impossible to teach 20+kids in those situations.
 
meee93 - 17/1/2014 13:29

Spursex - 17/1/2014 13:10

meee93 - 17/1/2014 13:03

If the blame is to be put on anyone, it's the airline companies chancing their arm with prices. The question should be put to them to why they rise their prices so ridiculously. Education is important, especially at young ages so enforcing attendance is important.

If you spread the holidays out to reduce the increased demand during the current times then the complaints will be made 'my kids all have different holidays so we can never spend time together' etc.

As we do with employees, you could easily allocate a number of holiday days to each pupil (except of course some key periods during terms) so that we actually could trust parents to make these decisions for themselves, with the caveat that if they were out of the recommended dates, the pupil(s) concerned were given homework/distance learning and has a clear plan created by their tutor(S) of how they would catch up...

..Of course it would mean that Teachers would have to be more flexible and meet the needs of their 'customers'....and we all know that will never happen!

Unions, the Nanny state and history have all combined to create these periods of Price discrimination...

Roll back the states interference, making distant learning and tutor flexibility (ok, the teachers would probably go on strike yet again - same as they will if labour get the chance to licence them) a key part of teaching and the problem would be solved...
Imagine trying to teach a class where your pupils present are constantly changing, it makes it practically impossible to get some consistency in teaching and getting theories across. And the vast majority of kids need a stable environment to work in to allow for quality learning.

When you look at things realistically, no matter what work the teachers give their pupils during their holidays most of the time it won't be done/to the standard needed and the teacher will be left in a position the next week where half the class knows what they're talking about and the other no having a clue. Impossible to teach 20+kids in those situations.

I disagree entirely. As long as the flexibility of available dates during a term was introduced; it would make lesson planning pretty straight forward. Distant learning now a life skill that is almost mandatory in the workplace now as well as virtual learning environments (which has been rolled out across most schools now for years, even if schools still don't exploit them properly).

Schools in remote places in the World have taught under these conditions for year e.g. New Zealand, Australia and the schools/teachers have had to learn to be just as flexible..

Public schools (fee paying schools) have also been doing this for years, so what stops state schools from adopting a more flexible approach?
 
Seems like it's kicked off again...

as it says in the article they quite happily manage to stagger holidays in Germany, so why can't it happen here?.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25894902
 
dont blame anybody for taking their kids during term time (within reason). As has been said the hike in prices alone is justification imo. Plus last week or 2 before summer holiday nothing gets done or learnt

Not in favour of parents doing it around half terms really.

just claim they are ill rather than on holiday