Syria Bombing?

Just listened to Joe Rogan Podcast with Jocko Willink (Jocko is the retired commander of the most highly decorated special operations unit of the Iraq war: US Seal Team Three).

Interesting hearing his thoughts on the whole situation and bit of a crazy podcast. He doesnt agree with bombing and feels the one way to finish is get boots on the ground and go all in but as he says nobody want the short term pain.

Definitely dont agree with bombing and really dont agree with being involved at all but if we had to it would be all in. Go in and eradicate them because there isnt a 'well' society in the world that supports those c**ts.

Everything I hear bombing it just reminds me of the crazy line to describe world war two bombing (obviously evolved from there but just sticks with me). WW2 bombing was effectively carpet bombing from low altitude and with drones I see a parallel purely because the disconnect with what you are doing is the same IMO.
 
No it isn't, we now have precision weapons, and there would not be the carpet bombing, from the UK at least, like you see in the news reels from WW2. Bombing is essential if Daesh is to be defeated but you need troops on the ground. Without that this is just about weakening Daesh.
 
Being reported they our precise bombing was targeting oil fields held by daesh. That's excellent as it will severely hit the cash flow of daesh....

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-34991344

 
Have we accidentally blown up any children yet?

Bet the newspapers have the headlines and hysteria on standby.
 
Whilst in general I feel these bombing raids are a bit of a waste of time, and definitely political posturing rather than a long term way of ending this, bombing the Oil Fields does make sense.

One has to ask, why has nobody done so before? What the hell are the Americans and Russians hitting?
 
Wurzel - 2/12/2015 22:48

Cameron was stupid for what he said, but the constant nonsense by Labour and SNP MPs wasting time asking for apologies instead of getting on with the debate was the terrible case of playing politics. Cameron did say that whatever people voted they were doing it with honour but they still kept on with their petty points scoring.

Be interesting to see what happens to those Labour MPs who voted with the government. Labours new zealots Momentum will be looking to have them deselected.
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Zealot gets MP deselected, former MP stands as an Independant Labour "Against Bombing Syria" and he would be re-elected without a shadow of doubt, worse split the vote and allow another party in.
 
I disagree Wurzel, Cameron was just plain wrong and they were correct in asking for an apology. I would imagine a few of the Tories were cringing when he said it as well.

I'm not sticking up for the left either, just what I think is right and wrong.

He, of all people, should be trying to show some leadership and not be tabloid headlines in what he says.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 3/12/2015 09:02

Whilst in general I feel these bombing raids are a bit of a waste of time, and definitely political posturing rather than a long term way of ending this, bombing the Oil Fields does make sense.

One has to ask, why has nobody done so before? What the hell are the Americans and Russians hitting?
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You only have to take a look on the liveleak website to see what's being hit
 
The Fear - 3/12/2015 10:50

I disagree Wurzel, Cameron was just plain wrong and they were correct in asking for an apology. I would imagine a few of the Tories were cringing when he said it as well.

I'm not sticking up for the left either, just what I think is right and wrong.

He, of all people, should be trying to show some leadership and not be tabloid headlines in what he says.
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Cameron's comments were a disgrace and his failure to apologise just show the arrogance of the man
 
The Fear - 3/12/2015 10:50

I disagree Wurzel, Cameron was just plain wrong and they were correct in asking for an apology. I would imagine a few of the Tories were cringing when he said it as well.

I'm not sticking up for the left either, just what I think is right and wrong.

He, of all people, should be trying to show some leadership and not be tabloid headlines in what he says.
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No it was a 10 hour debate about extending military action and over 150 MPs wanted to speak, so to waste time scoring cheap political points was totally wrong. They should take a long hard look at themselves.
 
Think we'll agree to disagree my fine fettled badger boy... he brought that situation about.

If I called you something like that within a thread, would you ignore it to keep debating or correct me? The latter I believe.

As said, he is his own worst enemy
 
So just after the Climate Change Conference in France earlier this week where we are told basically that the planet is well and truly screwed, we have now decided to blow up oil fields in Eastern Syria. Sending up yet more remnants into the atmosphere, we love you Earth.

This planet really has gone through some punishment from our species.

One creates, one destructs - the winner here and yesterday in the house of commons, was those on the side of destruction.
 
sirdennis just posted this in the Corbyn watch thread and I thought I'd put it in here

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-mp-vote-bombing-syria-6942117

How the MP's voted
 
I applaud the caution shown by Corbyn tbh, after the Iraq conning about WMD bollox its about time we had MP's that questioned motives etc imo
 
Think it's perhaps worth noting that none of those now put in harm's way because of the decision of Parliament are doing anything other than their job and deserve full support in what will be difficult circumstances. And I extend those thoughts to anyone caught up in the repercussions.

I'm personally not convinced air power alone can make a difference, but an initial thought is I'm glad the first strikes went after oil and therefore ISIL's finances. Not a moment too soon. And the rules of engagement in Iraq (and this is arguably just an extension of that across man-made lines in sand we call international borders) have ensured no civilian casualties.

* declaration of interest, I'm a Tory Party association chairman (and elected councillor) and my MP is a minister within the MoD, so I'm not talking from a totally disinterested viewpoint although it's fair to say the two of us don't always agree on issues.
 
I think some need to look at the fact they are happy when any of these sub humans are killed yet dont want us involved! That doesn't make sense.
 
Dont want us involved in bombing. Doesnt mean I dont want us involved...


Lost a lot of respect for Cameron over the last week, I had been starting to think i was a Tory, but now im back on the fence.
 
Disappointed in the vote, although it's worth noting that there was no obligation on the government to take it to a vote. They just wanted some sort of legitimacy.

Cameron is a disgraceful man, I am totally embarrassed he is our Prime Minister. He's nothing more than a bully boy, trying to be the cool kid in the playground and acting like he's back at school - his cheap name-calling and soundbites for the media (he obviously knew the 'terrorist sympathiser' line would be leaked) do him no credit and bring shame on the office of PM.

And Hillary Benn being touted as some kind of modern day Churchill for his tuppence worth - how crass he's making some kind of leadership pitch under such circumstances.
 
Cameron is not exactly an outstanding pm, but he was right to call for a vote, and it is right that action was passed by parliament. Let's not forget that he doesn't have to get a vote from the commons. Our contribution militarily will be small but symbolically it is right to support our NATO allies. It does not make us more likely to terrorist attack, as we were already a target, and 7 attacks on UK soil have been foiled so far this year. There is no diplomatic option as far as Daesh is concerned, and it is right to start to disrupt and degrade their assets sooner rather than later. What needs to happen now is the groundwork to sorting out what is going to happen after Daesh has been iradicated to fill the power gap. We need to learn from previous mistakes.
 
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