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No problem. I think overall Palmer had a great season for us. But I still think we will be looking at a permanent signing rather than a loan signing.
 
No problem. I think overall Palmer had a great season for us. But I still think we will be looking at a permanent signing rather than a loan signing.
I'm not sure to be honest. The point has been made before that Premiership and Championship teams often have 4 or 5 very good 'keepers in their first team squads, and only one can play at a time, with a backup for the cups etc. This means we should be able to pick up a very decent player on presumably modest wages for the season. Potentially more economical than a permanent signing, I don't know.
 
Palmer played 58 games for us this season and as the keeper in a League 1 team that was in the top 3 for almost the entire season, somehow that is not good enough?

I didn't say he is not good enough. He certainly is a decent League One keeper.

I said we can do better. And that I am sure will be MA's aim in every position.

Palmer is a good reflex shot stopper. However he is not great on low shots from distance, can be indecisive coming off his line, and his distribution can be poor. We unfortunatelt saw all three of those weaknesses at times on Sunday.
 
Would expect Palmer to be WBA back up next season.

Eyoma, Rogers will be championship.

Johnson will be at Forest or sold to premiership.

Morton will be league 1 again.
 
Palmer came to us with a full year of professional football behind him and was arguably League Two's best goalkeeper. So we're looking at that kind of level to stand still. He is not an easy replacement.

There aren't many young loan candidates with that sort of background out there. Bursik would be the obvious, if he's not in the first team at Stoke.

Mark Travers from Bournemouth is rated but only played eight games last season, for Swindon. They had the worst defence in League One and went down.

Gavin Bazunu from Man City was on loan at Rochdale this season. They had the second worst defence in League One and went down.

Kid looks pretty agile though! And capped twice by Ireland.


If we're signing it would either be an out of contract lad from above with little experience or an established goalie from L1 or L2. I don't see anyone that takes my fancy in L2 for sure.

So if we're looking in L1 for quality, someone who is young and comfortable with the style, it would be Andrew Fisher of MK Dons?


Kieran O'Hara of Burton? That's about it off the top of my head.

I'm sure App has a plan.
 
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Regarding Morton, I think since his return after his injury he's been about as effective as Tom Hopper was last season - i.e., not very. To be honest, one of my worries last summer was that we would be going into the new season with such a player as the main striker. But we all know how well Hopper has done since then, and I for one wouldn't have argued against it too much if he'd won player of the season.

Point is - maybe Morton also has more in him than we've seen over the last couple of months. Maybe - maybe not - just a thought.
 
Would expect Palmer to be WBA back up next season.

Eyoma, Rogers will be championship.

Johnson will be at Forest or sold to premiership.

Morton will be league 1 again.

Well the WBA press are expecting him to start if Sam Johnstone is sold as expected...
 
I didn't say he is not good enough. He certainly is a decent League One keeper.

I said we can do better. And that I am sure will be MA's aim in every position.

Palmer is a good reflex shot stopper. However he is not great on low shots from distance, can be indecisive coming off his line, and his distribution can be poor. We unfortunatelt saw all three of those weaknesses at times on Sunday.

I really don't get where you are coming from to be honest. "Indecisive coming off his line"? Really? Probably the most dominant keeper in his box we have had since forever.

Not great on low shots from a distance? Care to elaborate on any from before the play-off final?

As regards to the final.
The first one in the final is literally from the edge of the 18 yard box and is driven past the attempted block of Eyoma, not what I would call "from distance" (and somehow Grant appears to completely have escaped censure for simply giving the ball away in the middle of our half)

The second is also from the edge of the box and goes right in the corner after we fail to clear the ball despite being given two attempts

I really am not sure where this "not agile enough" stuff from...
Check out the Oxford highlights for his save at 1:20

V Charlton at 0:50

Neither of the excellent saves Bursik pulled off in the Sunderland game were anywhere near as close to on the deck (both were waist height or above) as the two Blackpool scored, I think he claimed one ball into the box from above his head all night (the others he claimed were a call and collect into the midriff) and yet apparently he "dominated his box"
 
I really don't get where you are coming from to be honest. "Indecisive coming off his line"? Really? Probably the most dominant keeper in his box we have had since forever.

Not great on low shots from a distance? Care to elaborate on any from before the play-off final?

As regards to the final.
The first one in the final is literally from the edge of the 18 yard box and is driven past the attempted block of Eyoma, not what I would call "from distance" (and somehow Grant appears to completely have escaped censure for simply giving the ball away in the middle of our half)

The second is also from the edge of the box and goes right in the corner after we fail to clear the ball despite being given two attempts

I really am not sure where this "not agile enough" stuff from...
Check out the Oxford highlights for his save at 1:20

V Charlton at 0:50

Neither of the excellent saves Bursik pulled off in the Sunderland game were anywhere near as close to on the deck (both were waist height or above) as the two Blackpool scored, I think he claimed one ball into the box from above his head all night (the others he claimed were a call and collect into the midriff) and yet apparently he "dominated his box"

I concur that his physical presence and also for that matter Palmer's communication are a big strength and Championship standard already. The agility issue is that he can be a little clunky at times. There are a few examples throughout the season and a quick recap brought these two to light

There were others but I'm not going to trawl back through every game. These were by no means howlers but a more agile keeper gets something on the shots (low bobbler from distance and waist high cross shot from closer in).

Not a criticism, rather an observation on an area of his game he needs to work on to become a top Championship goalkeeper. We could do a lot worse or maybe a tiny bit better overall.

I suppose it depends whether MA wants a commanding keeper or one weighted more towards being a shot stopper; he's unlikely to get the full package on loan at L1 level. It's a given that whoever MA recruits, has to be comfortable with the ball at his feet.
 
We haven’t had a decent keeper for a long time and Palmer is very much in the decent keeper category. Unfortunately, his position as goalkeeper is over analysed due to its specialist nature. Perhaps we should analyse the other 10 outfield players to such a level of detail that goalkeepers seem to attract.
 
Just as Aaron Lewis had a handful of decent performance and was quite widely seen as likely to be a hit at EFL1 level.(He's actually a decent L2 player - ask Newport).

.. Bursik had one fine game and is now the keeper who would never let any shot enter our net.

Palmer can't compete in some people's mind with this, as any goal conceded would have been saved by Bursik.

Bursik may end up being able to keep up the form he showed in one match and become a PL and international keeper, it's difficult to judge on one game.

It has no relation really to Palmer.

What I do know is he is extremely consistent.

Goals through his legs - virtually nil
Goals from dropped/spilled shots - virtually nil
Missed/dropped crosses - very low

Saves with his body from close range - high

Free kicks from 20-25 yards conceded - few

He is a big commanding keeper that doesn't make many mistakes.

But, but, but... he has a weakness. He doesn't save all the low hard shots into the corners of the goal. I would agree but he won't be the only keeper where that's the case.

There are some better keepers than Palmer but the fact we had a £30m rated keeper produce one of man of the match performance doesn't mean "we can do better".

It might well be WBA can't do better, in a season they hope to get back in the PL.
 
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Between the lines, I suspect Spurs have already told us TJ will not be back next season, hence the January signing of Poole. He is surely heading for the next level up.

I am not so sure about Rogers, though. Capable of brilliance, but would he really win a regular place in a Championship side? He has just gone 14 games without a goal, that is not good for League One and would certainly not cut it at the higher level. I think he needs a full season in League One - where better to send him than here? We gave him 28 games and a Wembley final, so Man City cannot complain about that.

Johnson is definitely in Forest's plans and I'm afraid to say there are better goalkeepers than Palmer out there. Morton? Made a big impact in League Two last year but I think he struggled a bit in League One.

Therefore, Rogers is the only realistic return for 2021-22.

The natural inclination is to believe we have outstanding players who will be impossible to replace, but it isn't true. There are others out there perfectly capable of doing well for us, and that is the exciting part for me. However good some of our loanees have been, we will have good replacements next season.

Very good post Scotimp. Your final sentence is so true. To date, Appy has continued to excel with his recruitment and surprised and delighted with his shrewd acquisitions. This time last year many posts were anxiously looking at Bossie and Eards leaving us. They left having given great service and we have had a half decent season without them. 😉I’m sure Appy will surprise and delight us again as he’s created a reputation of developing high class younger players and that will not have gone unnoticed amongst EPL managers for sure. I expect fewer loanees this season but am sure there will be 1 or two ‘wow’ signings incoming.
 
On Palmer, I'd be happy if we signed him again but equally happy to move on. I think people who are saying we can do better are right in the sense that he has weaknesses in his game (low shots from range and kicking). He also has some huge strengths that have helped us get to where we are. He's a very good keeper, but maybe we could find a more complete gem.
Sorry to pick this one, but there's a few saying "we can do better than Palmer".

Yet only a few weeks ago there was a thread on here comparing him to the best goalkeepers this club has ever had.

His record speaks for itself, played all league games with, what 18 clean sheets behind a defence changing personnel frequently. He had a dip in form, not alone in that, but for a first season at this level his performance levels and consistency has been pretty good.

'A more complete gem' at L1 may be chasing rainbows.
 
Interesting to read the comments regarding Palmer. Just my opinion but I thought he had an outstanding season. He has a lot of good qualities - superb at handling crosses, has a commanding presence, good with reaction saves and one-on-ones, I actually thought he was very good with the ball at his feet (made a couple of mistakes but you are going to over a full season) and also good at throwing the ball out.
Agree with the comments about low shots from the edge of the box that maybe he can't get down to quick enough - I think that is his Achilles heel but maybe that can be worked on?

If he doesn't come back (likely) I notice Kieran Westwood is not being retained at Wednesday, wonder if he can be tempted ?
 
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Interesting to read the comments regarding Palmer. Just my opinion but I thought he had an outstanding season. He has a lot of good qualities - superb at handling crosses, has a commanding presence, good with reaction saves and one-on-ones, I actually thought he was very good with the ball at his feet (made a couple of mistakes but you are going to over a full season) and also good at throwing the ball out.
Agree with the comments about low shots from the edge of the box that maybe he can't get down to quick enough - I think that is his Achilles heel but maybe that can be worked on?

If he doesn't come back (likely) I notice Kieran Westwood is not being retained at Wednesday, wonder if he can be tempted down a division?
When you have been watching Lincoln over 60yrs there have been some very poor goalkeepers.
 
Sorry to pick this one, but there's a few saying "we can do better than Palmer".

Yet only a few weeks ago there was a thread on here comparing him to the best goalkeepers this club has ever had.

His record speaks for itself, played all league games with, what 18 clean sheets behind a defence changing personnel frequently. He had a dip in form, not alone in that, but for a first season at this level his performance levels and consistency has been pretty good.

'A more complete gem' at L1 may be chasing rainbows.

It's not a criticism of him at all to say that we might be able to do better. He is one of the best keepers we've had, but that doesn't mean we can't do better. Habergham was one of our best left backs in my lifetime but we upgraded (through necessity) with Toffolo. Eardley was regarded as one of our best ever right backs but Eyoma was a significant improvement when he was playing there. Bruno Andrade was considered by many to be a Championship player in waiting, yet Johnson has been more effective. We might not find anyone better, but the club has shown significant improvements in recent years and I hope we can keep it up.