Spurs v Stoke
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Supporters always care - that why you started the thread!
We're still on a learning and development curve under Poch's tenure (and that includes him).
Another Top 4 finish would be a massive achievement.
And of course there is the little matter of the FA cup.
A successful season is still within our grasp.
We're still on a learning and development curve under Poch's tenure (and that includes him).
Another Top 4 finish would be a massive achievement.
And of course there is the little matter of the FA cup.
A successful season is still within our grasp.
Greavswasthegreatest
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Dont care if people don't care i care!
ScottDaYid
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I bet he will care if we lose lol
Taricco the yid
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Walker said poch had taken his foot off the intensity of training but is the reason for that because he has complete lack of faith in his bench except 1 or 2 players that he knows he has to keep the first 11 as fresh as possible for the run in.
Well we are out of europe now so go back to playing once a week should help us and yes I care because I always hope we can still win a trophy. The FA cup is still up for grabs and I firmly believe we can win it and beat any of the teams left on the day and we can still win the league even though unlikely but I wouldnt mind finishing 2nd.
We need CL to keep the momentum going but something needs to be done about who is scouting these players.
Well we are out of europe now so go back to playing once a week should help us and yes I care because I always hope we can still win a trophy. The FA cup is still up for grabs and I firmly believe we can win it and beat any of the teams left on the day and we can still win the league even though unlikely but I wouldnt mind finishing 2nd.
We need CL to keep the momentum going but something needs to be done about who is scouting these players.
Back to the day job!...and welcome back 2 Metre Peter and side show Berahino!
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Back to the day job!.......and welcome back 2 Metre Peter and side show Berahino!
Saido Berahino is hoping to make his first start for Stoke against us on Sunday so, is he going to put on a show for the cameras? We nearly bought him for £23m and then Stoke bought him for £15m. Saido is a box of problematic tricks for any club including recently serving an 8 week ban for spliffin some good class Ganja. I reckon we did well not to get his signature! Poch says we need patience if we are to win titles. Poch is shifting his position in terms of his immediate outlook for the club and I feel he is trying to manage the fans expectations. It’s now 9 years since we last won a trophy, longer than Woolwich did between 2005 and 2014! Our last FA Cup win was in 1991, and our last European title was in 1984! Clearly a club of our standing who are always in and around the top four for the last 6 seasons, should be close to winning silverware every season.
We clearly have some sort of mental barrier when Spurs appear in Europe or when we face a top 6 away from home. We also have a mental barrier at Wembley, our record since 2009 ain’t good; 1 win out of 10 appearances. We are now out of Europe so if we don’t make the FA Cup Final or we don’t finish 4th or higher in the Prem that’s not a reflection of who we really are as a squad. We have failed in two competitions, if we fail in the remaining two then we have to say we have under achieved yet again. For a team as good as ours we deserve more. The rumour is that Poch does not like the Europa but tactically Poch has some big questions to answer when it comes to Europe. Against Stoke he has no choice but to play Davies but Dier needs to go in the summer. Dier has become a liability. That leaves Poch with a headache with regard to his favoured 3 at the back until Rose returns. I can see Poch going back to a flat back 4 for Stoke with Son coming in for Dier.
We were comfortably outplayed at Anfield just when we could have done with the points. The problem we face is inconsistency. In the last few games we haven’t really turned up and I find it hard to fathom how injuries can affect a team quite so much as it does us. Without Rose we lose 50% of our attacking options. When 3-4-3 is replaced with a flat back 4 we seem to lose our free-flowing attack, it gets stuck in midfield. We know we have weaknesses in the squad and when you see players like Sissoko and Janseen suck it leaves us having to improve over the next 3 months with just essentially 13 players. We can’t fade as a team just because of injuries. Whatever we do in the summer we need to have yet another clear out and get in players of the calibre of Wanyama rather than passengers like Sissoko. Easier said than done! It’s understood that Levy still needs to prove to the Bank that he has over £200m available to go towards the new stadium, which is why talks with outside investors have been continuing. So where is Joe Lewis in all this he’s got the dosh why can’t he pitch in, not to mention City Hall and Haringey Council reneging on their original investment promise? The NLD has gone up from £420m to £750m. Our revenue next season may also be hit. We may not be allowed to sell out Wembley for all our homes games. Brent Council restrict Wembley to 37 full capacity events which means we could only have five homes games in front of 90,00 with the rest restricted to just 51,000, that means playing in a half empty stadium!
Hughes and his team return to the UK from a training break in Dubai. Meanwhile we have been playing every 3 to 4 days this month, so who will be the sharper? The lads left it all on the Wembley Pitch on Thursday night and you have to hope that the Gent defeat doesn’t turn into another morning after the night before performance against Stoke! Stoke are quietly having their best season since they got back in the Prem despite the fact that Manager Mark Hughes has almost never had a full-strength eleven to put on the pitch at any one time which means that, despite not having any kind of continuity for the team sheet or playing a regular system, they are still in 9th Place. Stoke have only one defeat in their last 7 matches including a home draw against United. They have consistently competed for a top-half finish since Hughes replaced Pulis in 2013, finishing ninth in each of their three seasons under him. They look well on course to accruing their largest points tally passing the 54 they got in 2014-15 - in a single Premier League season. Just like West Brom, Stoke are part of the awkward squad! We struggled to break down Middlesbrough and we struggled against Burnley at home and I can’t see this game being any different. We need our fast-flowing attacking Spurs back. I could watch Moussa all day but he needs someone playing closer so when he does beat his first and second man he can give the ball to someone who can take the ball forward rather than passing sideways. Stoke are a club in transition with Bojan heading an Exodus in the summer. There are some old legs playing for Stoke but they still make it difficult to score against them. Everton Struggled against them at Goodison and against Palace they won “ugly”. Kane and Alli will have to find a way around Bruno Martins Indi who is having a good season but Bony and Imbula have flopped badly. 2 Meter Peter does pose some “unique” problems for defences! Whelan still has a good engine as has Joe Allen, who times his runs well and he will be one to watch, but, players like Shawcross and Charlie Adam will still try and kick us off the pitch! Playmaker Xherdan Shaqiri could return. Hughes says “the key to the game on Sunday is to start brightly and get a foothold in the game. Hopefully we will be sharp from the off. "They are a strong side, they are very impressive at home and we will be up against it. We are in good shape though.”
There is no subtlety with Stoke they don’t create many chances and rely more on one moment of quality or lapse in concentration by the opposition to get their goals which is why Dier shouldn’t be on the pitch. We hammered Stoke 0-4 twice in a row but in 2016 we infamously dropped points at home letting them get back from 2-0 to 2-2. Their lack of chances means if we get our noses in front it has to be by two or more goals, a 1-0 lead is a dangerous one against Stoke! If we lose this one the headlines will write themselves, we need a reaction to Thursday’s European suicide note!
Back to the day job!.......and welcome back 2 Metre Peter and side show Berahino!
Saido Berahino is hoping to make his first start for Stoke against us on Sunday so, is he going to put on a show for the cameras? We nearly bought him for £23m and then Stoke bought him for £15m. Saido is a box of problematic tricks for any club including recently serving an 8 week ban for spliffin some good class Ganja. I reckon we did well not to get his signature! Poch says we need patience if we are to win titles. Poch is shifting his position in terms of his immediate outlook for the club and I feel he is trying to manage the fans expectations. It’s now 9 years since we last won a trophy, longer than Woolwich did between 2005 and 2014! Our last FA Cup win was in 1991, and our last European title was in 1984! Clearly a club of our standing who are always in and around the top four for the last 6 seasons, should be close to winning silverware every season.
We clearly have some sort of mental barrier when Spurs appear in Europe or when we face a top 6 away from home. We also have a mental barrier at Wembley, our record since 2009 ain’t good; 1 win out of 10 appearances. We are now out of Europe so if we don’t make the FA Cup Final or we don’t finish 4th or higher in the Prem that’s not a reflection of who we really are as a squad. We have failed in two competitions, if we fail in the remaining two then we have to say we have under achieved yet again. For a team as good as ours we deserve more. The rumour is that Poch does not like the Europa but tactically Poch has some big questions to answer when it comes to Europe. Against Stoke he has no choice but to play Davies but Dier needs to go in the summer. Dier has become a liability. That leaves Poch with a headache with regard to his favoured 3 at the back until Rose returns. I can see Poch going back to a flat back 4 for Stoke with Son coming in for Dier.
We were comfortably outplayed at Anfield just when we could have done with the points. The problem we face is inconsistency. In the last few games we haven’t really turned up and I find it hard to fathom how injuries can affect a team quite so much as it does us. Without Rose we lose 50% of our attacking options. When 3-4-3 is replaced with a flat back 4 we seem to lose our free-flowing attack, it gets stuck in midfield. We know we have weaknesses in the squad and when you see players like Sissoko and Janseen suck it leaves us having to improve over the next 3 months with just essentially 13 players. We can’t fade as a team just because of injuries. Whatever we do in the summer we need to have yet another clear out and get in players of the calibre of Wanyama rather than passengers like Sissoko. Easier said than done! It’s understood that Levy still needs to prove to the Bank that he has over £200m available to go towards the new stadium, which is why talks with outside investors have been continuing. So where is Joe Lewis in all this he’s got the dosh why can’t he pitch in, not to mention City Hall and Haringey Council reneging on their original investment promise? The NLD has gone up from £420m to £750m. Our revenue next season may also be hit. We may not be allowed to sell out Wembley for all our homes games. Brent Council restrict Wembley to 37 full capacity events which means we could only have five homes games in front of 90,00 with the rest restricted to just 51,000, that means playing in a half empty stadium!
Hughes and his team return to the UK from a training break in Dubai. Meanwhile we have been playing every 3 to 4 days this month, so who will be the sharper? The lads left it all on the Wembley Pitch on Thursday night and you have to hope that the Gent defeat doesn’t turn into another morning after the night before performance against Stoke! Stoke are quietly having their best season since they got back in the Prem despite the fact that Manager Mark Hughes has almost never had a full-strength eleven to put on the pitch at any one time which means that, despite not having any kind of continuity for the team sheet or playing a regular system, they are still in 9th Place. Stoke have only one defeat in their last 7 matches including a home draw against United. They have consistently competed for a top-half finish since Hughes replaced Pulis in 2013, finishing ninth in each of their three seasons under him. They look well on course to accruing their largest points tally passing the 54 they got in 2014-15 - in a single Premier League season. Just like West Brom, Stoke are part of the awkward squad! We struggled to break down Middlesbrough and we struggled against Burnley at home and I can’t see this game being any different. We need our fast-flowing attacking Spurs back. I could watch Moussa all day but he needs someone playing closer so when he does beat his first and second man he can give the ball to someone who can take the ball forward rather than passing sideways. Stoke are a club in transition with Bojan heading an Exodus in the summer. There are some old legs playing for Stoke but they still make it difficult to score against them. Everton Struggled against them at Goodison and against Palace they won “ugly”. Kane and Alli will have to find a way around Bruno Martins Indi who is having a good season but Bony and Imbula have flopped badly. 2 Meter Peter does pose some “unique” problems for defences! Whelan still has a good engine as has Joe Allen, who times his runs well and he will be one to watch, but, players like Shawcross and Charlie Adam will still try and kick us off the pitch! Playmaker Xherdan Shaqiri could return. Hughes says “the key to the game on Sunday is to start brightly and get a foothold in the game. Hopefully we will be sharp from the off. "They are a strong side, they are very impressive at home and we will be up against it. We are in good shape though.”
There is no subtlety with Stoke they don’t create many chances and rely more on one moment of quality or lapse in concentration by the opposition to get their goals which is why Dier shouldn’t be on the pitch. We hammered Stoke 0-4 twice in a row but in 2016 we infamously dropped points at home letting them get back from 2-0 to 2-2. Their lack of chances means if we get our noses in front it has to be by two or more goals, a 1-0 lead is a dangerous one against Stoke! If we lose this one the headlines will write themselves, we need a reaction to Thursday’s European suicide note!
steveperryman
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Ha-ha... spot on Scotty.
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We're all annoyed. Some us very very annoyed.
Harry-Kari
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I used to get annoyed because I had expectations but have finally accepted that this squad can't compete with European football and the big-spenders in the EPL or even Leicester City come to that. Poch says that we are on a "different" project to the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd, ars*nal and Liverpool meaning we aren't going to sign great players at the peak of their form but will have to be patient and wait for youth players to mature. In other words, we are screwed since he won't even play "the new Messi" let alone a compulsive goal scorer from the youth teams probably because we don't have one. So I understand Chiv's viewpoint but I've finally given up on expectations but not on caring, and I don't think Chiv has either.
Unfortunately, I think the lads will be physically and emotionally drained after last night so it's going to be a difficult game to win. I'm not expecting much.
Unfortunately, I think the lads will be physically and emotionally drained after last night so it's going to be a difficult game to win. I'm not expecting much.
Nick Real Deal
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I am expecting a win. We have learnt that European football is different and the teams should not be underestimated. Their finishing is clinical and they are disciplined in defence. We were out of our depth in the CL and Europa. We need to be able to adapt to their ways and not go in blindingly expecting to do what we do.
MARKYBOYSPUR
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Need to Finnish the season strong now. We have good run of games coming up that we should accumulate some points from I just hope the lads grow some balls and not whimper like we did last season.
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Harri-K, you echo my thoughts verbatim. Thursday was a major downer for everyone. The EL/PL, Thurs/Sun curse will be exacerbated by the performances leading up the the Gent game and the Wembley energy-sapping horror show. I'd take a draw now.
I care and I so much want the lads to pick themselves up and get back on the path that they have committed to. A win would be the ideal way to do it!
steveperryman
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After this... yet another let down i'm expecting the lads to raise their game & standards for the remainder of the season. I expect at the very least top 4 & a Cup Final appearance.
Greavswasthegreatest
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Expectations and 'spursey' do not go hand in hand unfortunately....
Big Chiv
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I won't be bothered in the slightest, as I've already said, I couldn't care less about top4 under this manager, what's the point ?
Poch must be the worst manager this club has ever had as far as European football goes, look at our last 10 European results under him.
LLLWDLLWLD.
Poch has sucked all the enthusiasm out of me , CL football was a dream till he got it, Wembley is now our graveyard in any competition thanks to him and even transfer windows are not a time for optimism any more with his endless crap signings upfront.
Greavswasthegreatest
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Apart from that....
