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MoMoWafc

MoMoWafc

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Seems to be a popular topic on here. We have quite a few Leave voters and a couple of Remain voters.

How does leaving the Custom Union but staying in the Single Market (with exceptions) sound to you? Notable exception being the Uk would have free movement of people but not free movement of labour.

I'd rather Britain left both the CU and SM but at the minute it's looking unlikely that the country could do that effectively within the given timeframe.

An EFTA *style* outcome would be a reasonable compromise once you get past the rhetoric that it would be the 'worst of all worlds' which is tosh.

In a few years time we can maybe talk about leaving the Single Market fully and have a government implement this by means of a General Election as opposed to a referendum if it wished to do so.
 
hindleymonwafc - 22/9/2017 21:44

It's called democracy pal....a strange concept to some on here granted.
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I think you may have missed my point hindley ...................... as I've already said, I've absolutely no problem with the fact that the vote as a "no", resulted in "Brexit" ........................ it's just that no bugger seems to agree on WTF that means !

Hard Brexit; Soft Brexit; Immediate; Transitional; In the CU; Out of the CU; etc, etc

Let's face it .................. with Boris as one of the leaders, .................WTF were we to expect ?!
 
moonay - 22/9/2017 22:01

hindleymonwafc - 22/9/2017 21:44

It's called democracy pal....a strange concept to some on here granted.
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I think you may have missed my point hindley ...................... as I've already said, I've absolutely no problem with the fact that the vote as a "no", resulted in "Brexit" ........................ it's just that no bugger seems to agree on WTF that means !

Hard Brexit; Soft Brexit; Immediate; Transitional; In the CU; Out of the CU; etc, etc

Let's face it .................. with Boris as one of the leaders, .................WTF were we to expect ?!
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It's being negotiated mate....all will become clear.

Regarding Boris...i like him, he's a character.
 
Firstly - I have now worked out what your job must be hindley ................ an infant school teacher, specialising in telling fairy-tales to the little kids !

Secondly ....... given your apparent contentment with Boris being one of the small number of people responsible for determining our Country's destiny ................ I'm seriously worried for your state of mind !

Where the hell is The Captain when you need him ?!
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You worry too much lad...all will be well in fact better. I remember just before the vote you were unsure which way to cast. The bullshit project fear must have got to you...like a say worry, worry, worry.
 
Worry worry worry hindley ........ only for you my friend ;o)

Just remember ...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asas49ZLa98
 
Moonay from the way i seem it the last 15 years of EU membership has been a disaster for Britain.
Austerity,nhs on its knees,the population up by 7 million(and thats them that we know of),we are ripped off by foreign owned utility companies,yet we pump in a net 10 Billion a year into the EU....for what?
The country and infastructure is knackered whilst members,so surely change is needed?
Why you prefer to stay in that corrupt soon to be federal state called the EU god knows.

Brexit means Out, even you must know what the word out means.

We should leave immediatley,and Then negotiate; The EU needs us, if they want tariffs f**k em, we will have tariffs anorl.
Then just watch the likes of BMW,Merc,VW etc squeal.
Its a big world out there and we need to be in the thick of it, not propping up the likes of Romania,Latvia and Greece.
 
Don't forget, the EU spends - often badly - a lot of UK taxpayer money in the nation's poorest areas.

The EU spent £14 million on a statue of a dragon and a lift in Ebbw Vale (one of the most deprived places in Wales). It'd be funny if Ebbw Vale wasn't the anti-depressant capital of the country, along with having high unemployment and standardised low wage jobs.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/finance-minister-jane-hutt-celebrated-7461665

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/new-mechanical-link-anticipated-open-8432769
 
tl4e, if you're seriously blaming the EU for the continued under-funding of the NHS, then there's little point in us continuing this "discussion", as I can't even begin to understand your logic there.

For the same reason, I'll skip some of the next bits too.

Brexit means "out" eh ? I reckon you'd best tell our glorious leaders that then mate, as they still seem to be arguing the toss with regard to "out" of what.

And finally .........."leave immediately, and then negotiate". Yeah, that'd work, wouldn't it? Pull out to a leave a situation where no-one has any idea of what "the rules" are, but we'll sort it from there.

Aye, surely that must work,.........must'nt it ?
 
My point about the current state of the country is its a mess whilst being in this wonderful institution called the EU,so lets get out and use the money here.

I see you have chosen to ignore the fact it costs us around £10 billion a year for the priviledge of being in the EU.

I see Lisa Nandy was on telly last night belitttling the people of Wigan with her anti british garbage.
 
It will be a total disaster for the UK IF we leave the EU. I don't think people quite understand how important our membership has been since 1973. Don't forget the 70's, despite being a great decade for music, was a terrible decade for our economy. Had we not joined our European cousins in the EEC, as it was at the time, our economy would ha e spiralled downwards into the abyss.

Effectively, by joining the EEC, we were guaranteeing markets for our businesses, because the global economy was a very different place at that time. Progressively, over the coming years we saw the EU expand and change as more countries joined. As it expanded, the market for UK products grew, and we were able to use a lot of EU funding to support our agriculture and other industries. Huge amounts of EU money flooded into places like Liverpool, the West Midlands and northern Ireland. Some years we were receiving more than we were donating to the central EU budget. Everyone seems to be an expert these days on how much money the UK contributes, but very few people give a thought as to how much the UK has received back. In fact the £8 billion we paid in last year is less than 1% of our GDP. The figures become distorted by biased papers, like the Mail, Express, Sun, Torygraph etc.

In terms of the SEM and the Customs Union, they both protect our economy from foreign competition e.g. China, USA, India and offer guaranteed opportunities for UK firms to sell their products into what is the world's richest economy. As economies like Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria grow the EU will become richer, and the Euro will grow stronger, and there will be even more opportunities for UK business.

It is a long term project, but we need to be a part of it or we will not be able to compete with the world's giant economies, like the U.S. and China. They will increasingly become our competitors not, as is mistakenly portrayed, our friends.

The SEM offers fantastic opportunities for UK businesses and citizens. We ought to be grateful that we are a part of it, rather than isolating ourselves as a little island off the coast of Europe. Our wages will become lower and lower as we try and compete with other low wage economies if we leave. By staying in we will be looking at a future of being a part of the world's richest economy which can compete in an increasingly hostile global economy, a future of peace and prosperity!
 
Momo - my family originates from Ebbw Vale. Towns like it in South Wales and other parts of the UK were bled dry by successive UK governments. When the coal and steel were gone nobody , except the EU, wanted to know. Foreign competition - primarily in Asia destroyed the industrial heart of the town, but nothing was done to protect and regenerate it. The EU did at least channel some funding into Ebbw Vale and many other towns in the UK and across Europe. Trouble is, the UK government has not followed suit. Tories could not give a monkey's cuss about places like Ebbw Vale - or Wigan, come to that.
 
10 Billion quid A YEAR of OUR brass propping up europe

I put it to you we need to f**king prop up Britain first.
 
Notts, in your first post you've just answered the question as to why we need and indeed are leaving.

The entity we joined over 40 odd years ago has morphed into something that is no longer suitable for Britain. As I said in an earlier post on the defunct Power thread last thread week, I'm assuming you won't have seen Junckers state of the union speech last week which, unsurprisingly given its content, had little coverage in the Guardian nor BBC as it didn't fit its feral narrative. In essence he outlined his 'vision' for the EU and needless to say this is something that would never be acceptable to the vast and I mean vast majority of Britains. As a propaganda piece for leaving it was something Farage and Johnson could never have imagined even in a wet dream.

The EU 'project' will surely come to an end given its mission creep fuelled by power hungry bureaucrats. It is no coincidence that the rise of prominent far right movements and parties in big hitter countries such as France and Germany is fuelled by the erosion of their own national entity. These will only grow and their emergence will become greater in other smaller nations. The EU could obviously acknowledge the reasons for this and take steps to address these but we all know they won't, which is sad and concerning on many levels but will ultimately lead to this now horrifying edifice crumbling. Thankfully Britain will be ahead of the curve by this point, though inevitably we will need to step in and pick up the pieces.
 
Farage and Johnson are just right wing millionaires who think their enormous wealth may be better protected under a Tory Government in the UK. Conservatism is all about protecting the top 5 or 7% wealthiest in our very unequal society. The EU is an opportunity to make the world a fairer and nicer place, which you obviously don't want Pies/Whittle or whatever your moniker is.

If you knew anything about the EU at all, which I seriously doubt, you would know about two of its key principles - gradualism and subsidiarity. The EU was always going to 'morpjh' as it grew. It will continue to morph as it grows. The decision-making process in the EU is all about making decisions at the most appropriate level - not just at EU Commission level. Some of those key decisions are made at National and local level. One of the things I like about the EU is that decisions are more likely to be made by experts in their field rather than by power-seeking politicians who always have hidden agendas. You said yourself in a previous post that you cannot trust politicians - on both sides of the House.
 
Tl4e - the EU has been helping to prop up the UK economy since 1973. Less than 1% gross of GDP per year is a small price to pay for what we've had in return, both directly through grants and indirectly through trade.
 
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