Should he stay or should he go now....

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Should he stay or should he go now?

He is still only 20 and has enormous potential
Bergvall has already shown he belongs at Premier League level. His technical ability, intelligence in possession, and composure under pressure suggest he could become a cornerstone of Tottenham's midfield for years. He has his faults and at times last season they’d put us under huge pressure, but you can only really improve by intense coaching and playing regularly.

RDZ still sees him as part of the long-term future
Despite interest from Newcastle, Nottingham Forest and other clubs, reports suggest Spurs have been reluctant to entertain offers and have reassured Bergvall that he remains in RDZs’ plans. Some reports even indicate Tottenham have ruled out loan exits and would only consider a permanent sale under exceptional circumstances i.e. a sum so large they cannot turn it down,.

Competition can accelerate development
The arrivals of players such as Sandro Tonali and Mateus Fernandes make it harder to break into the starting XI, but competing with elite midfielders can help Bergvall develop into a better all-round player. Many top footballers needed patience before becoming regular starters but then danger is the advice and greed that is clearly being shown around him.

Spurs could be building something significant
If De Zerbi's project succeeds, Bergvall could become part of a young, exciting Tottenham side rather than having to establish himself elsewhere and potentially regret leaving too early. But he needs to set up, raise his sights and work on it, not run away because the competition for starting just got tougher.

On the other hand..

Regular football is essential at his age
The strongest argument for leaving is simple: he needs minutes. Several reports suggest Bergvall has become frustrated by limited opportunities and fears new signings will reduce his chances even further.

His development could stall on the bench
For a player with international ambitions for Sweden, sitting behind expensive arrivals may not be the best pathway. A move to a club where he starts 30 to 40 matches a season could accelerate his growth dramatically. Being a Bit part player for Spurs could easily halt his development.

He already has a strong market
Interest from Premier League clubs and teams across Europe suggests there would be no shortage of opportunities. If he believes he can secure a leading role elsewhere, this may be the ideal moment to make that move and we should stand in his way

Midfield congestion is a genuine concern
With Tottenham strengthening heavily in midfield, Bergvall may conclude that even if he is valued by the club, being valued and being selected are not always the same thing. Will he be third in the pecking order, 4th/even 5th for one of those three starting berths?

My Verdict

If I were looking at it from Tottenham's perspective, and after having considered it carefully, I'd want him to stay Talented young midfielders with his ceiling are difficult to find, and RDZ appears to view him as a key part of the future.

However, if I'm looking at it solely from his perspective, the decision depends on one question; will he get meaningful minutes this season? If the answer is yes, he should stay and fight for his place. If not, a move where he becomes a regular starter could be the smarter choice for his development and it wouldn’t surprise me he’ll make this choice, especially if Spurs do not immediately get a new deal on the table for him.

What do you think is the best outcome and why?
 
Not quite in the same way (as he's older) the same is true of Jed Spence and the news that the red bin dippers have made approaches to him is of concern....

Should he go or stay if they formalise their interest - what would you advise him?
 
I'm indifferent to Berg going.

He stays we can try and develop him, he goes for 60 million he's someone else's problem and we get well paid.

I'd be selling Spence, I don't think he's that good, I think he's the player that has a great World Cup and then flops.

If we get close to 40 million we've done well
 
Spursex said:
If we lose Spence how do we replace his RB role and general ability to play just about anywhere?
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Well covered at LB. Archie can cover Right back and we wouldnt be the first team to use a CB as a RB as cover. Ben White is a CB converted.

I dont want to sell Spence but if he wants to leave it should be to our benefit and Gakpo would benefit us more than the money. Use him.
 
It’s all quite simple , we have spent years and years holding on to players ,
If a club shows any interest in one of our players and the player shows any interring moving , they should be out of the door ,
We should never be grateful any more that they are talked into staying



We need to rinse and repeat , anybody who shows a tadge of itchy feet syndrome , where the grass may be greener , should be told to go , not just allowed , but told .

We have to be acting like a big club , not pretending .


And we have to get rid of the stupid chat about there are no players out there that can improve us .

Boy did that ever set us back .
 
Sockspurs said:
I'm indifferent to Berg going.

He stays we can try and develop him, he goes for 60 million he's someone else's problem and we get well paid.

I'd be selling Spence, I don't think he's that good, I think he's the player that has a great World Cup and then flops.

If we get close to 40 million we've done well
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If he goes - he goes but on our terms and not for silly money ... he has to be worth +£50 mill surely nothing less
If its money then give him a new contract and up his wages so he can buy the newer Porsche or Lambo plus a matching Rolex.
If its game time and not money then work for it like everyone else has to do.
I dont see Gallagher complaining and he only joined in January.

Same for Romero and Spence but with the fees now wanted for players we should up our sale price to £60-£70 Mill for both certainly not £35-40 Mill - thats taking the p*ss
 
steveperryman said:
Bergvall is a player we need to keep. He's wanted and will receive game time. He needs to want to stay however and i'm unsure where he stands on that.
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This is what I was saying earlier. I think that this is where the manager and coaches step up and show the lad the way he is going to progress and how important he's going to be when he is 23/24.
The rub is we have a lad who is apparently telling people he wants to play more and prove himself instead of sitting on his arse collecting wages - and some seem to be calling him out over it!
Only at Spurs.
 
stupops said:
This is what I was saying earlier. I think that this is where the manager and coaches step up and show the lad the way he is going to progress and how important he's going to be when he is 23/24.
The rub is we have a lad who is apparently telling people he wants to play more and prove himself instead of sitting on his arse collecting wages - and some seem to be calling him out over it!
Only at Spurs.
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I can only agree. He & Spence and some of the others heads are in the right place.They just need to be assured of where they stand. RDZ seems to have a no BS approach, which is a good thing so we'll see soon enough Stu.
 
Don't think he'll get enough minutes for his liking, bar another bad injury run, RDZ said he can't guarantee him minutes and if that means he wants to go then he should go.

We've spent near enough 200M on players this window in his approximate position in a year where we have no Europe.

Yes Bissouma is gone and Bentancur is likely leaving. Sarr apparently up for sale too so I can see the club would want to keep him, but with Gallagher also in front of him by the sounds of it we'll probably need to let him go or have an unhappy talent on our hands. Don't think the odd league cup game is going to satisfy his understandable desire to start football matches.
 
People get too wrapped up in "fees".

Concentrate on the "football" and the choice becomes clearer.

There's a reason RDZ is demanding ready to go Prem players. And a reason Spurs are paying for them.

Bergvall was our Player of The Season. Oh wait.... He won ALL the awards....
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Bergvall completes Player of the Season clean sweep

Teenage sensation Lucas Bergvall's superb maiden season at Spurs has seen him complete a clean sweep of the Club's end of season awards.
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Djed is the most versatile defender we have. Just destroyed the top International competition at the WC. We need another RB to go with Porro, Djed may be the better player.

We have invested heavily in both players over a number of seasons, and they are about to bear the fruit of those efforts for us.

We cannot replace them, with players guaranteed to do better, for equal or less money.

We will need them if we qualify for euro comp next season.

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