Should Ched Evans be allowed to play?

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The poll choice is simple: should he be allowed to play again or should he never be allowed to pursue his profession again?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11310292/Ched-Evans-must-be-allowed-to-play-football-and-society-answers-to-the-rule-of-law-not-the-mob.html


Ched Evans must be allowed to play - football and society answers to the rule of law, not the mob

Oldham have every right to sign the striker, who has served his time and must now continue his rehabilitation, argues Luke Edwards


Ched Evans
More than 10,000 people signed petition opposing Ched Evans’s arrival at Oldham Photo: Eamonn & James Clarke

By Luke Edwards

1:54PM GMT 23 Dec 2014

When Hartlepool’s manager Ronnie Moore said in December he would like to sign Ched Evans, it sparked the sort of reaction the League Two club would normally only receive if they knocked Manchester United out of the FA Cup.

Hartlepool released a statement less than 24 hours later saying they would not be signing him. In the statement they admitted they had taken into consideration the public and media reaction to the manager’s comments.

It now looks like the same scenario is unfolding at Oldham, only this time the manager has reservations and it is the club who is driving the signing.

However, the uncomfortable truth is that if they wanted to sign him, if they thought he could do a good job for them, both clubs should have done it. They were perfectly entitled to. It would have sparked criticism, some of it severe, but they should be strong enough to deal with it because they were doing nothing wrong other than contemplating giving a former convict a chance to work again.

This is not an easy argument to make but it is the correct one.


Regardless of the horrendous nature of the offence he has been found guilty of committing, Evans has every right to seek employment in whatever profession he chooses and every employer has the right to employ him, unless it is one where those on the sex offenders’ register are barred or where having a criminal record prevents employment.

This is the rule of law. It is not the rule of the mob, of the loud, supposed guardians of morality who scream and shout on behalf of the silent majority. Or those who, quite rightly, argue the woman he raped is the only victim here.

Evans is guilty. A jury of right-minded people decided he was guilty of raping a teenage girl in a hotel room in April 2012. He appealed against that decision and it was rejected six months later by the Court of Appeal. He has launched another appeal and remains determined to “prove his innocence and clear his name”.

As far as I’m concerned he is guilty, because that is what our judge and jury court system has determined. That will only change if his final appeal is successful.

I write this from the view that Evans is a rapist but one who has served the time our justice system determined he should spend in prison. He served half of a five-year sentence, because he was eligible for parole and was released early. This may seem lenient to many, not least the victim and her family, but that is the punishment he was given.

Evans has, to use legal jargon, served his time and paid his debt to society even though he will remain on licence for the next two-and-a-half years, meaning he must adhere to certain conditions, including holding regular meetings with his probation officer.

For some, prison will only ever be about punishing a criminal. Yet, the prison system is not merely about punishing people. Prisons deprive prisoners of their liberty and their freedom, but prison is also supposed to be about the rehabilitation of offenders so that, when they are released, they are able to go back into society and play a full, responsible and law-abiding part in it.

This is the same for rapists, as it is for bank robbers, tax-swindlers, shop-lifters, con-artists, murderers and drug dealers. It does not always work. Many prisoners re-offend, but the prison service tries to rehabilitate them anyway.

But society will not let Evans complete his rehabilitation. He is a free man still shackled by his crime. His fame as a professional footballer ensures that, unlike the thousands of other ex-cons who are working among us in this country, everybody knows what he did.

Evans is being punished over and over again. Because he played professional football, it is argued Evans cannot be allowed to resume his career because of the nature of the crime he committed. The ‘but he is a role model’ argument rides roughshod over the law of the land.

It is a tempting position to take. Imagine how we would feel if he had raped a member of our family or a friend, yet this is a dangerous path to tread.

The nature of the crime cannot matter under the rule of law. If murderers, drink drivers who killed an entire family, drug dealers who used primary school children, con-artists who swindled the vulnerable out of money and violent robbers, can work again on their release from prison, so should Evans.

There are even paedophiles, released from prison, working in a whole range of jobs up and down the country.

Many of the above will go back to work in the profession – if not for the same employer - they were in when they committed their crimes. If there is hostility towards them in their local community, they will move to another part of the country and get on with their lives.

British law requires them to disclose their offences when applying for a job and prospective employers can, in light of that information, decide whether to employ them or not. Evans cannot do that.

He is hounded by a social and mainstream media lynch mob. It was correct for public pressure to force Sheffield United not to re-sign the striker. Not many employers would take back a rapist on his release from prison and it would have sent the wrong message; made light of the offence.

Part of the punishment is losing your job when convicted, but you do not normally lose your profession as well, unless those on the sex offenders’ list are excluded from it.

Football does not exclude sex offenders, yet Evans is being prevented from resuming his career. Clubs are too scared to sign him because of the “negative publicity” it will generate. That is their choice. Hartlepool backed out of signing him because they felt their supporters, their customers, did not want it and Oldham look like doing the same.

But of the hundreds who expressed their opposition, many more did not.

Signing Ched Evans would be 'appalling'

It is wrong because we live in a free society, even for those who once did not because they committed crimes serious enough to have that liberty taken away.

Football has re-employed all sorts of criminals in the past, even those like Lee Hughes who was sentenced to six years for causing death by dangerous driving. He took someone’s life, but was allowed to play professionally again. So have other professions.

If we continue to hound Evans out of the game, what company will ever employ him? Should the Government change the law to say those convicted of certain crimes can work again, others can’t? It will never happen.

How or who could decide which crimes were ok and which weren’t? The law is universal, it does not see class, race, wealth or profession. It does not differentiate between them. The law protects you and me, but it also protects Evans.

For those who say Evans deserves to be more severely punished, stopping him from playing football is the perfect way to do it, but you’re not far away from saying we should have “locked him up and thrown away the key”.

The Magna Carta, written in 1215 – the first legal document in this country protecting the liberty and rights of man – prevents this. British law prevents it.

If Evans wants to play football again, he can. He will have to run a gauntlet of hate every time he steps on to the football pitch. Supporters will abuse him in their thousands and they are not renowned for their subtlety. He will never be allowed to forget what he did, even if his final appeal is successful.

When Evans is in his 60s and people hear his name, they will not think of Ched Evans the footballer, they will know him as Ched Evans the footballer who raped a girl and went to prison.

He will carry that with him for the rest of his life and so he should. But his fame should not deprive him of the same rights as the rest of us.

Evans is allowed to work again and football clubs are allowed to employ him. We should let them. We cannot allow any sort of mob justice to hold sway over the law.
 
I personally think the bloke was stitched up and i'm always down for a hate mob against the guilty.

This is happening at an alarming rate. Woman cries rape after the fact, man's life gets turned upside down.

Even if you are innocent, you don't get to carry on with a normal life.
 
I'd stop supporting Spurs if he was Levy's little dead-line day gift. I am all for the rehabilitation of offenders but unfair as this may be I think his continued bar from the game is for societies greater good. It will certainly serve as a cautionary tale for any other players looking to do something daft.
 
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2012/2559.html
 
spurdon - 5/1/2015 18:45

I'd stop supporting Spurs if he was Levy's little dead-line day gift. I am all for the rehabilitation of offenders but unfair as this may be I think his continued bar from the game is for societies greater good. It will certainly serve as a cautionary tale for any other players looking to do something daft.

So rapists can never be trusted to be reformed - or footballers cannot be trusted, or once convicted society should go on punishing them forever?

 
Spursex - 5/1/2015 18:51

spurdon - 5/1/2015 18:45

I'd stop supporting Spurs if he was Levy's little dead-line day gift. I am all for the rehabilitation of offenders but unfair as this may be I think his continued bar from the game is for societies greater good. It will certainly serve as a cautionary tale for any other players looking to do something daft.

So rapists can never be trusted to be reformed - or footballers cannot be trusted, or once convicted society should go on punishing them forever?

reformed in a year? i don't think so
 
Galvin's Shinpads - 5/1/2015 18:58

Spursex - 5/1/2015 18:51

spurdon - 5/1/2015 18:45

I'd stop supporting Spurs if he was Levy's little dead-line day gift. I am all for the rehabilitation of offenders but unfair as this may be I think his continued bar from the game is for societies greater good. It will certainly serve as a cautionary tale for any other players looking to do something daft.

So rapists can never be trusted to be reformed - or footballers cannot be trusted, or once convicted society should go on punishing them forever?

reformed in a year? i don't think so

How long does it take?
 
Spursex - 5/1/2015 18:51

spurdon - 5/1/2015 18:45

I'd stop supporting Spurs if he was Levy's little dead-line day gift. I am all for the rehabilitation of offenders but unfair as this may be I think his continued bar from the game is for societies greater good. It will certainly serve as a cautionary tale for any other players looking to do something daft.

So rapists can never be trusted to be reformed - or footballers cannot be trusted, or once convicted society should go on punishing them forever?


Annoying isn't it. Without knowing all the facts people make arbitrary decisions about someone's future. We should just stone them to death and save the money housing and feeding them before we do it on the internet.
 
Spursex - 5/1/2015 18:58

Galvin's Shinpads - 5/1/2015 18:58

Spursex - 5/1/2015 18:51

spurdon - 5/1/2015 18:45

I'd stop supporting Spurs if he was Levy's little dead-line day gift. I am all for the rehabilitation of offenders but unfair as this may be I think his continued bar from the game is for societies greater good. It will certainly serve as a cautionary tale for any other players looking to do something daft.

So rapists can never be trusted to be reformed - or footballers cannot be trusted, or once convicted society should go on punishing them forever?

reformed in a year? i don't think so

How long does it take?

I'm not his psychiatrist.

But if I were a football club, I'd have nothing to do with him.
 
“The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country.

A calm and dispassionate recognition of the rights of the accused against the state and even of convicted criminals against the state, a constant heart-searching by all charged with the duty of punishment, a desire and eagerness to rehabilitate in the world of industry of all those who have paid their dues in the hard coinage of punishment, tireless efforts towards the discovery of curative and regenerating processes and an unfaltering faith that there is a treasure, if only you can find it in the heart of every person – these are the symbols which in the treatment of crime and criminals mark and measure the stored up strength of a nation, and are the sign and proof of the living virtue in it.”
 
A passionate view of why it isn't the right time for him to return. :

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jan/05/ched-evans-victim-website


In the Ched Evans case the victim must always be remembered
David Conn


It is not yet the right time for Ched Evans to be featuring in team pictures of beloved clubs which will decorate the bedrooms of children

Thousands sign petition against Ched Evans joining Oldham Athletic

The Oldham manager, Lee Johnson, has said the board will decide if the club sign Ched Evans.

Monday 5 January 2015 00.06 GMT


The debates about whether the convicted rapist Ched Evans should resume a professional football career so soon after his release from prison, re-heated now by reports that Oldham Athletic are to sign him, often mention his victim last, with a faint reminder that she should not be forgotten. Putting the victim first lends a different orientation to this unprecedented legal and moral maze for football, which circles around whether Evans has a right to earn his living as a footballer, having served his time for a despicable crime about which he maintains his innocence.

His victim, who cannot be named for legal reasons but has been repeatedly identified by internet hounds, was found by a jury to have been raped aged 19 by Evans, after she bumped into Evans’s friend, Clayton McDonald, also a footballer, at 4am in a kebab shop in Rhyl.

In the taxi to the Premier Inn, which Evans had booked for his and McDonald’s night out, McDonald texted him: “I’ve got a bird.” Once inside the hotel room, McDonald was having sex with the girl when Evans arrived. The court heard that the girl was asked if Evans could “join in”. He claimed that she consented, but the jury verdict rejected that. Evans did “join in”.

His brother and friend were outside the room laughing, trying to film what was happening on their phones. While Evans was having sex with the girl, McDonald left the room. Evans left later, by the fire escape.

They then walked back to Evans’ family home in Rhyl. The teenage girl woke up at 11am, on her own in the room.

She said she did not know what had happened, even how she had ended up there, and went to the police that night. The two men were prosecuted for rape, on the grounds that the victim was too drunk to have been capable of consenting to sex.

The jury which heard the evidence acquitted McDonald but convicted Evans, who served half of a five-year sentence for rape before being released in October. He might reflect that a website, set up and funded by his supporters to maintain his innocence, does not achieve a greatly improved perception of him. It offers a £10,000 reward for information leading to his conviction being overturned, apparently inviting the victim’s friends to come forward with information about her.

There is a section headlined “Key and undisputed facts”, yet it describes McDonald’s text from the taxi like this: “On the way to the Premier Inn Clayton sent a message to Ched saying words to the effect of: ‘I am with a girl.’”

The girl, about whom McDonald had in fact texted “I’ve got a bird,” faced the trauma of what happened, then the police investigation, giving evidence in court, and, according to her father, is still suffering.

The argument for Evans, including from Gordon Taylor, the Professional Footballers’ Association’s chief executive, is that Evans has a legal right to play again, having served his time. That is true. Football has no rules of its own against employing convicted rapists as players, who could be paid handsomely and claim the adulation of fans.

It is an anomaly that the game does not seem to be addressing that sex offenders are deemed not “fit and proper” people under the Football League and Premier League owners and directors test, so Evans could not be a director of any club.

While the debate rages, including another petition against him being re-employed rapidly gaining thousands of signatories, the young woman has been unable to proceed with her life. The most recent reports are that she has had to change her identity five times to avoid the internet haters.

Her father told the Daily Mirror that she did not go to her family home for Christmas and she is “living her life on the run”. He said he has complained to the attorney general about aspects of the Evans website which he argues further victimise her.

Evans has the legal right to take his arguments that the trial was unfair – the website pleads repeatedly that footballers are victimised by the media – to the Criminal Cases Review Commission, which he has.

The website, though, is unrelentingly hostile to the girl who is established in law to have been his victim. It sullies her in several different, pernicious and manipulative ways.

You wonder how many people at clubs have read it, when weighing Evans’ desirability with their core priorities: goals and points. They should, because it lends a different perspective to the arguments about whether he is a fit and proper person to run out for a heritage, community club, to be a role model – which his own supporters’ website holds him up to be, complete with homely pictures of him with babies and a dog.This website is still up; his review is not concluded and his victim is living life on the run.

All this makes it seem not the right time yet for Ched Evans to be featuring in team pictures of beloved clubs which will decorate the bedrooms of children.
 
Spursex - 5/1/2015 18:51

spurdon - 5/1/2015 18:45

I'd stop supporting Spurs if he was Levy's little dead-line day gift. I am all for the rehabilitation of offenders but unfair as this may be I think his continued bar from the game is for societies greater good. It will certainly serve as a cautionary tale for any other players looking to do something daft.

So rapists can never be trusted to be reformed - or footballers cannot be trusted, or once convicted society should go on punishing them forever?

I never said anything about trusting Evans. However lots of jobs bar you if you commit an offence this grave. Why should professional football be any different.
 
Spursex - 5/1/2015 19:03

“The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilisation of any country.

A calm and dispassionate recognition of the rights of the accused against the state and even of convicted criminals against the state, a constant heart-searching by all charged with the duty of punishment, a desire and eagerness to rehabilitate in the world of industry of all those who have paid their dues in the hard coinage of punishment, tireless efforts towards the discovery of curative and regenerating processes and an unfaltering faith that there is a treasure, if only you can find it in the heart of every person – these are the symbols which in the treatment of crime and criminals mark and measure the stored up strength of a nation, and are the sign and proof of the living virtue in it.”

Is there even two words spared for his victim in all that I dozed off :21:
 
spurdon - 5/1/2015 19:24

Spursex - 5/1/2015 18:51

spurdon - 5/1/2015 18:45

I'd stop supporting Spurs if he was Levy's little dead-line day gift. I am all for the rehabilitation of offenders but unfair as this may be I think his continued bar from the game is for societies greater good. It will certainly serve as a cautionary tale for any other players looking to do something daft.

So rapists can never be trusted to be reformed - or footballers cannot be trusted, or once convicted society should go on punishing them forever?

I never said anything about trusting Evans. However lots of jobs bar you if you commit an offence this grave. Why should professional football be any different.

They do?

What jobs?

I can understand if you're barred because you're dealing with vulnerable people, can we say that's the case in football?

Of course, the morality argument is valid, but shouldn't it be tempered with progressive justice, not what appears to be never ending retribution?

If as Gavin contends it's too soon to be rehabilitated and attempt to rebuild his career - how long is long enough?
 
Spursex - 5/1/2015 19:30

spurdon - 5/1/2015 19:24

Spursex - 5/1/2015 18:51

spurdon - 5/1/2015 18:45

I'd stop supporting Spurs if he was Levy's little dead-line day gift. I am all for the rehabilitation of offenders but unfair as this may be I think his continued bar from the game is for societies greater good. It will certainly serve as a cautionary tale for any other players looking to do something daft.

So rapists can never be trusted to be reformed - or footballers cannot be trusted, or once convicted society should go on punishing them forever?

I never said anything about trusting Evans. However lots of jobs bar you if you commit an offence this grave. Why should professional football be any different.

They do?

What jobs?

I can understand if you're barred because you're dealing with vulnerable people, can we say that's the case in football?

Of course, the morality argument is valid, but shouldn't it be tempered with progressive justice, not what appears to be never ending retribution?

If as Gavin contends it's too soon to be rehabilitated and attempt to rebuild his career - how long is long enough?

You want a list of Jobs and employers that bar you from working with a rape conviction? Try Google there are loads. Yes the morality argument is a valid one, as is the argument that as a professional athlete you do come into contact with a lot of vulnerable impressionable starstruck young people. Savile and his like have taught us that the power of celebrity (even local )can indeed be abused. I have been in VIP lounges with footballers and it certainly gives them allure even league 2 numpties like Evans.
 
Can't find a list of jobs that a rapist would be barred from?! (except of course the example I've already given).

perhaps we should have a new law just for celebrity sex offenders?

Welsh Liberal Democrat leader Kirsty Williams said she would feel "incredibly uncomfortable" if Evans were ever to play for Wales again.

But journalist and columnist Rod Liddle, also on the panel, said it would be "politically-correct hypocrisy" to prevent Evans from playing football.

"There are countless footballers plying their trade - most of them in the lower divisions - who have been convicted of various offences which are egregious and some of them have caused people to lose their lives," said Mr Liddle, associate editor of The Spectator magazine.

"Are you saying that rape is something ... worse than killing someone? That there is one exception to made for this one offence?"
 
What's the point in allowing him out of prison if he isn't allowed to function as part of society by working?
 
Apparently punishment is now arbitrary and continues via the court of wired public opinion.

There are individuals who have been elevated to a higher status in society where they can decide by themselves what penalties, in addition to legal punishments, that an individual must suffer.

These self appointed grand masters of social justice will rule the world with their iron fist. Much like the Russian Mafia if you fall foul of their individual (im)moral standards you will suffer the consequences.

We live at their whim.
 
If he is guilty which it seems he does not agree with. If he continued to play he could at least give something back to society through charities and awareness programmes.

Something like this is not swept under the carpet, however if he does the right things he could perhaps do something good with the rest of his life.