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Meanwhile Patel can crow about how she is a tough home secretary and many, many people will put an X next to the tory candidate on the ballot paper.
That will be a first. Never seen a "Tory Candidate" on a voting paper any more than I have seen "Commie" against a socialist candidate.
 
will pay for her prison term or surveillance.

so I stick by the opinion that if she wants to come back, protection is the last thing she should get. Then, whatever will be, will be, even if it is a taste of her own medicine.

If she comes back and is free then a lifetime of surveillance will cost a fortune, but if she is popped off in a revenge attack, the surveillance costs stop, but then the cost of imprisonment of the hitman/hitwoman/hitperson will cost a fortune.

Denying her her citizenship is probably the cheapest option in the long run, from a financial perspective.

From a moral perspective, she was born here so we should deal with our own shit, but as her parents are from Bangladesh (iirc), she would have access to Bangaldeshi citizenship officially if they could be bothered to accede.

As a general aside, I see lots of mention in posts above of nothing being done to stop the grooming like this (if she was groomed). Do people not realise that the security services are overrun with dealing with, stopping and monitoring grooming, terrorist, nutjob shit all over the huge worldywideyweb internet, The security services stop plenty, but they can't catch everyone!
 
The big question for us is why did three well educated 15 year old girls choose to leave everything in the UK to want to live in an Islamic state where there rights as women would be severely reduced. If they were groomed how do we stop that.
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Question for you - what do you think happens to other Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Somali teenage girls?
 
If she comes back and is free then a lifetime of surveillance will cost a fortune, but if she is popped off in a revenge attack, the surveillance costs stop, but then the cost of imprisonment of the hitman/hitwoman/hitperson will cost a fortune.

Denying her her citizenship is probably the cheapest option in the long run, from a financial perspective.

From a moral perspective, she was born here so we should deal with our own shit, but as her parents are from Bangladesh (iirc), she would have access to Bangaldeshi citizenship officially if they could be bothered to accede.

As a general aside, I see lots of mention in posts above of nothing being done to stop the grooming like this (if she was groomed). Do people not realise that the security services are overrun with dealing with, stopping and monitoring grooming, terrorist, nutjob shit all over the huge worldywideyweb internet, The security services stop plenty, but they can't catch everyone!


Cheers, BBS. Your reference to a "hitperson" made me chuckle. The thought of a cadre of police analysts and chief officers spending substantial time promulgating that defined term is as amusing as it is plausible - so, very amusing....... :giggle:

I agree with your last paragraph, btw. And, it`s an impossible job/process to get completely right.
 
If she comes back and is free then a lifetime of surveillance will cost a fortune, but if she is popped off in a revenge attack, the surveillance costs stop, but then the cost of imprisonment of the hitman/hitwoman/hitperson will cost a fortune.

Denying her her citizenship is probably the cheapest option in the long run, from a financial perspective.

From a moral perspective, she was born here so we should deal with our own shit, but as her parents are from Bangladesh (iirc), she would have access to Bangaldeshi citizenship officially if they could be bothered to accede.

As a general aside, I see lots of mention in posts above of nothing being done to stop the grooming like this (if she was groomed). Do people not realise that the security services are overrun with dealing with, stopping and monitoring grooming, terrorist, nutjob shit all over the huge worldywideyweb internet, The security services stop plenty, but they can't catch everyone!

Err, the government are in charge of supplying the resources and chose not to. Everyone knew about hate preachers and indoctrination going on but nothing was done to thwart it.
I suggest there would be a different attitude to this if the discussion was a minor girl that had been groomed by pedo muslims.
 
Question for you - what do you think happens to other Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Somali teenage girls?

Not 100% sure I understand your question. If you mean married off to older men as part of arranged marriages then I think that is as abhorrent as many things done in the name of religion.
 
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Err, the government are in charge of supplying the resources and chose not to. Everyone knew about hate preachers and indoctrination going on but nothing was done to thwart it.
I suggest there would be a different attitude to this if the discussion was a minor girl that had been groomed by pedo muslims.

I indicated that there is too much for the security services to keep up with, but you are insistent they do nothing, you obviously know more than me so I am out!
 
I indicated that there is too much for the security services to keep up with, but you are insistent they do nothing, you obviously know more than me so I am out!


No, i do agree that the security services do an excellent job with their available resources.
I am saying that the government did not give the extra adequate resourcing needed nor had the political will to do what needed to be done.

I still think its the same re political will and resourcing. Only have to look at their record on fgm and grooming.
 
Lost me Bert I always believed Tory was a recognised shortened version of the Conservative and Unionist party.
It never appears on a voting paper which is what your post actually suggests. It is probably used only in conversation these days by members of the loonie left as evidenced by the posters who liked your comment.
 
It never appears on a voting paper which is what your post actually suggests. It is probably used only in conversation these days by members of the loonie left as evidenced by the posters who liked your comment.

I think its a bit more mainstream than just the "loony left" but you are correct the ballot paper will print the party name in full. The "and unionist" part makes me smile though. The current conservative party are doing more to give voters reason to break the union than hold it together.
 
It never appears on a voting paper which is what your post actually suggests. It is probably used only in conversation these days by members of the loonie left as evidenced by the posters who liked your comment.
Ha ha. Love that Bert. "Tory" is a totally mainstream description. I've heard plenty of Conservative party members and voters describe themselves as Tory.

Btw, it isn't automatically an insult, just as saying a Labour candidate is a Socialist isn't.
 
You can call it grooming or brainwashing. It's also called religion
Interesting ( albeit unconfirmed) article :
Shamima Begum – CIA and Canadian CSIS recruiting and grooming her on Facebook Video shows UK girls being aided in joining ISIS by Canadian spy BY YUSUF ZIYA DURMU ISTANBUL TURKEY MAR 13, 2015 While Canada remains quiet on reports that a spy allegedly working for its intelligence service helped smuggle three British girls into Syria via Turkey to join ISIS, Turkey’s A Haber TV broadcast footage of the man with the girls as he arranged their trip A video has been released by Turkish A Haber news channel showing the suspected spy working for the Canadian intelligence agency helping British girls join ISIS. More details emerged on Friday about the Syrian national who arranged for the three British girls to cross into Syria through the Turkish border to join the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). A Haber’s report based on Turkish security sources revealed connections between the spy, British recruits of ISIS and likely the Canadian intelligence service. The Turkish government initially refused to identify the person’s nationality but Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavu o lu announced on Friday that the person was “a Syrian national.” Çavu o lu was the first to break the news on Thursday when he said in a televised interview that a person was caught in connection with smuggling Shamima Begum, 15, Amira Abase, 15, and Kadiza Sultana, 16, the three British girls who left their London homes in early February, into Syria. – A Haber correspondents claimed he contacted a Canadian embassy official in Jordan called “Matt” and quoted Turkish police sources that Matt was likely an employee of a British intelligence service. Kubilay Gülbek, a senior correspondent for A Haber, said Rashed only acted as a smuggler and was paid by the intelligence service. Gülbek said that based on information discovered on Rashed’s laptop computer, he helped 140 Britons travel to Syria to join ISIS apart from the three girls. Rashed allegedly handed recruits to an ISIS commander who is a British citizen. Quoting his sources, Gülbek said the three British girls were currently in Raqqa and were “brides” for ISIS militants. He told A Haber that Rashed relayed information about people he smuggled into Syria to “Matt” from the Canadian Embassy via WhatsApp. Gülbek said the current addresses of ISIS militants in Britain who left the armed faction and maps of ISIS camps in Syria were also found in possession of al-Rashed.

https://politicsthisweek.wordpress....m-politics-show-presented-by-tony-gosling-29/
 
Interesting ( albeit unconfirmed) article :
Shamima Begum – CIA and Canadian CSIS recruiting and grooming her on Facebook Video shows UK girls being aided in joining ISIS by Canadian spy BY YUSUF ZIYA DURMU ISTANBUL TURKEY MAR 13, 2015 While Canada remains quiet on reports that a spy allegedly working for its intelligence service helped smuggle three British girls into Syria via Turkey to join ISIS, Turkey’s A Haber TV broadcast footage of the man with the girls as he arranged their trip A video has been released by Turkish A Haber news channel showing the suspected spy working for the Canadian intelligence agency helping British girls join ISIS. More details emerged on Friday about the Syrian national who arranged for the three British girls to cross into Syria through the Turkish border to join the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). A Haber’s report based on Turkish security sources revealed connections between the spy, British recruits of ISIS and likely the Canadian intelligence service. The Turkish government initially refused to identify the person’s nationality but Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavu o lu announced on Friday that the person was “a Syrian national.” Çavu o lu was the first to break the news on Thursday when he said in a televised interview that a person was caught in connection with smuggling Shamima Begum, 15, Amira Abase, 15, and Kadiza Sultana, 16, the three British girls who left their London homes in early February, into Syria. – A Haber correspondents claimed he contacted a Canadian embassy official in Jordan called “Matt” and quoted Turkish police sources that Matt was likely an employee of a British intelligence service. Kubilay Gülbek, a senior correspondent for A Haber, said Rashed only acted as a smuggler and was paid by the intelligence service. Gülbek said that based on information discovered on Rashed’s laptop computer, he helped 140 Britons travel to Syria to join ISIS apart from the three girls. Rashed allegedly handed recruits to an ISIS commander who is a British citizen. Quoting his sources, Gülbek said the three British girls were currently in Raqqa and were “brides” for ISIS militants. He told A Haber that Rashed relayed information about people he smuggled into Syria to “Matt” from the Canadian Embassy via WhatsApp. Gülbek said the current addresses of ISIS militants in Britain who left the armed faction and maps of ISIS camps in Syria were also found in possession of al-Rashed.

https://politicsthisweek.wordpress....m-politics-show-presented-by-tony-gosling-29/

good link - thanks
 
Ooooh, something tells me there are a few on here who will be a little riled by Sir Anish Kapoor's comments, but would that possibly be because he might just have a point?

In case you've not heard his comments, here they are:

Let us for one moment imagine that four young white school girls from Wiltshire were enticed to go to Syria and join IS.

Would they be seen as terrorists or victims of terrorists?

We have no doubt that we would be demanding that no expense be spared and not a moment wasted in having them returned to the safety of their homes in England.

https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-...of-her-in-syrian-refugee-camp-emerge-12246479
 
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In case you've not heard his comments, here they are:

Let us for one moment imagine that four young white school girls from Wiltshire were enticed to go to Syria and join IS.

Would they be seen as terrorists or victims of terrorists?

We have no doubt that we would be demanding that no expense be spared and not a moment wasted in having them returned to the safety of their homes in England.

I don't know. We know from history for example that little was done to protect the 1,400 working class white girls in Rotherham from sexual exploitation from Asian men, for fear of being classed as racist. But Wiltshire? Middle class? Maybe that would be different? But they would have have foreign parents (Polish?) to be a fair comparison.

I don't know! It would be interesting to see if it ever happens (like WK's predicted white taxi-driver grooming gang).