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Shamima Begum

markinkent

Vital 1st Team Regular
I’m aware that the people’s champion Sleepy Joe has bombed Syria already.
Didn’t take long.
Tit for tat targeted strike on Iranians in Syria. Its the kind of proxy war that drags on forever.

This was probably in response to some bombing in Iraq that the Americans blamed on the Iranians (that the Iranianssaid was in response to something the US did). Expect outrage from Tehran, protests on the streets and in a few weeks a car bomb in Iraq. Its so regular its barely newsworthy.
 

markinkent

Vital 1st Team Regular
I definitely agree she is our problem to deal with.

How I don't know.

I've always felt this was about the tories trying to look tough, they know it will appeal to many people in the UK. Our small sample of the UK population on this board illustrates that

The big question for us is why did three well educated 15 year old girls choose to leave everything in the UK to want to live in an Islamic state where there rights as women would be severely reduced. If they were groomed how do we stop that. If they weren't then why did the choose this path.

Meanwhile Patel can crow about how she is a tough home secretary and many, many people will put an X next to the tory candidate on the ballot paper.
 

Bert

Vital Youth Team
Meanwhile Patel can crow about how she is a tough home secretary and many, many people will put an X next to the tory candidate on the ballot paper.
That will be a first. Never seen a "Tory Candidate" on a voting paper any more than I have seen "Commie" against a socialist candidate.
 
will pay for her prison term or surveillance.
so I stick by the opinion that if she wants to come back, protection is the last thing she should get. Then, whatever will be, will be, even if it is a taste of her own medicine.
If she comes back and is free then a lifetime of surveillance will cost a fortune, but if she is popped off in a revenge attack, the surveillance costs stop, but then the cost of imprisonment of the hitman/hitwoman/hitperson will cost a fortune.

Denying her her citizenship is probably the cheapest option in the long run, from a financial perspective.

From a moral perspective, she was born here so we should deal with our own shit, but as her parents are from Bangladesh (iirc), she would have access to Bangaldeshi citizenship officially if they could be bothered to accede.

As a general aside, I see lots of mention in posts above of nothing being done to stop the grooming like this (if she was groomed). Do people not realise that the security services are overrun with dealing with, stopping and monitoring grooming, terrorist, nutjob shit all over the huge worldywideyweb internet, The security services stop plenty, but they can't catch everyone!
 

ThreeSixes

Vital 1st Team Regular
The big question for us is why did three well educated 15 year old girls choose to leave everything in the UK to want to live in an Islamic state where there rights as women would be severely reduced. If they were groomed how do we stop that.
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Question for you - what do you think happens to other Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Somali teenage girls?
 

LancsGordoRoad

Vital 1st Team Regular
If she comes back and is free then a lifetime of surveillance will cost a fortune, but if she is popped off in a revenge attack, the surveillance costs stop, but then the cost of imprisonment of the hitman/hitwoman/hitperson will cost a fortune.

Denying her her citizenship is probably the cheapest option in the long run, from a financial perspective.

From a moral perspective, she was born here so we should deal with our own shit, but as her parents are from Bangladesh (iirc), she would have access to Bangaldeshi citizenship officially if they could be bothered to accede.

As a general aside, I see lots of mention in posts above of nothing being done to stop the grooming like this (if she was groomed). Do people not realise that the security services are overrun with dealing with, stopping and monitoring grooming, terrorist, nutjob shit all over the huge worldywideyweb internet, The security services stop plenty, but they can't catch everyone!

Cheers, BBS. Your reference to a "hitperson" made me chuckle. The thought of a cadre of police analysts and chief officers spending substantial time promulgating that defined term is as amusing as it is plausible - so, very amusing....... :giggle:

I agree with your last paragraph, btw. And, it`s an impossible job/process to get completely right.
 

Jerryattrick

Vital 1st Team Regular
If she comes back and is free then a lifetime of surveillance will cost a fortune, but if she is popped off in a revenge attack, the surveillance costs stop, but then the cost of imprisonment of the hitman/hitwoman/hitperson will cost a fortune.

Denying her her citizenship is probably the cheapest option in the long run, from a financial perspective.

From a moral perspective, she was born here so we should deal with our own shit, but as her parents are from Bangladesh (iirc), she would have access to Bangaldeshi citizenship officially if they could be bothered to accede.

As a general aside, I see lots of mention in posts above of nothing being done to stop the grooming like this (if she was groomed). Do people not realise that the security services are overrun with dealing with, stopping and monitoring grooming, terrorist, nutjob shit all over the huge worldywideyweb internet, The security services stop plenty, but they can't catch everyone!
Err, the government are in charge of supplying the resources and chose not to. Everyone knew about hate preachers and indoctrination going on but nothing was done to thwart it.
I suggest there would be a different attitude to this if the discussion was a minor girl that had been groomed by pedo muslims.
 
Err, the government are in charge of supplying the resources and chose not to. Everyone knew about hate preachers and indoctrination going on but nothing was done to thwart it.
I suggest there would be a different attitude to this if the discussion was a minor girl that had been groomed by pedo muslims.
I indicated that there is too much for the security services to keep up with, but you are insistent they do nothing, you obviously know more than me so I am out!
 

Jerryattrick

Vital 1st Team Regular
I indicated that there is too much for the security services to keep up with, but you are insistent they do nothing, you obviously know more than me so I am out!

No, i do agree that the security services do an excellent job with their available resources.
I am saying that the government did not give the extra adequate resourcing needed nor had the political will to do what needed to be done.

I still think its the same re political will and resourcing. Only have to look at their record on fgm and grooming.
 

Bert

Vital Youth Team
Lost me Bert I always believed Tory was a recognised shortened version of the Conservative and Unionist party.
It never appears on a voting paper which is what your post actually suggests. It is probably used only in conversation these days by members of the loonie left as evidenced by the posters who liked your comment.
 

markinkent

Vital 1st Team Regular
It never appears on a voting paper which is what your post actually suggests. It is probably used only in conversation these days by members of the loonie left as evidenced by the posters who liked your comment.
I think its a bit more mainstream than just the "loony left" but you are correct the ballot paper will print the party name in full. The "and unionist" part makes me smile though. The current conservative party are doing more to give voters reason to break the union than hold it together.
 

Gills 58

Vital Football Hero
It never appears on a voting paper which is what your post actually suggests. It is probably used only in conversation these days by members of the loonie left as evidenced by the posters who liked your comment.
Ha ha. Love that Bert. "Tory" is a totally mainstream description. I've heard plenty of Conservative party members and voters describe themselves as Tory.

Btw, it isn't automatically an insult, just as saying a Labour candidate is a Socialist isn't.
 

Gilles Lingam

Vital Reserves Team
You can call it grooming or brainwashing. It's also called religion
Interesting ( albeit unconfirmed) article :
Shamima Begum – CIA and Canadian CSIS recruiting and grooming her on Facebook Video shows UK girls being aided in joining ISIS by Canadian spy BY YUSUF ZIYA DURMU ISTANBUL TURKEY MAR 13, 2015 While Canada remains quiet on reports that a spy allegedly working for its intelligence service helped smuggle three British girls into Syria via Turkey to join ISIS, Turkey’s A Haber TV broadcast footage of the man with the girls as he arranged their trip A video has been released by Turkish A Haber news channel showing the suspected spy working for the Canadian intelligence agency helping British girls join ISIS. More details emerged on Friday about the Syrian national who arranged for the three British girls to cross into Syria through the Turkish border to join the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). A Haber’s report based on Turkish security sources revealed connections between the spy, British recruits of ISIS and likely the Canadian intelligence service. The Turkish government initially refused to identify the person’s nationality but Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavu o lu announced on Friday that the person was “a Syrian national.” Çavu o lu was the first to break the news on Thursday when he said in a televised interview that a person was caught in connection with smuggling Shamima Begum, 15, Amira Abase, 15, and Kadiza Sultana, 16, the three British girls who left their London homes in early February, into Syria. – A Haber correspondents claimed he contacted a Canadian embassy official in Jordan called “Matt” and quoted Turkish police sources that Matt was likely an employee of a British intelligence service. Kubilay Gülbek, a senior correspondent for A Haber, said Rashed only acted as a smuggler and was paid by the intelligence service. Gülbek said that based on information discovered on Rashed’s laptop computer, he helped 140 Britons travel to Syria to join ISIS apart from the three girls. Rashed allegedly handed recruits to an ISIS commander who is a British citizen. Quoting his sources, Gülbek said the three British girls were currently in Raqqa and were “brides” for ISIS militants. He told A Haber that Rashed relayed information about people he smuggled into Syria to “Matt” from the Canadian Embassy via WhatsApp. Gülbek said the current addresses of ISIS militants in Britain who left the armed faction and maps of ISIS camps in Syria were also found in possession of al-Rashed.

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