Sandro Tonali - Player Thread

Spursex said:
We make money from it, a 4-year+ work permit will raise a fee of around £5,000 + the health surcharge which depending on your profession which can be about the same.

So £8-10k for pushing some paper around and making sure that the employer is liable for all his tax and NI payments.
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Makes sense now lol
 
Spursex said:
It's the civil service; you've obviously never had to deal with them., we're still fighting to get them to go back into the office...
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Not all civil servants are work shy 😉 like any profession, the majority get tarred by the bad ones. Without the vast majority of the civil service, the country would grind to a halt.
 
80deg16minW said:
With only the good ones operating the civil service imagine the outcome!
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The number of mid-to-senior officials (Grades 6 and 7) has skyrocketed by over 121% since 2010, resulting in a workforce much more heavily weighted toward middle and senior ranks rather than junior administrative officers.

So we now pay vastly more for less and less and poor quality at that, most wouldn't stay employable in the commercial World. Our Civil Service is now close to 550,000 - a historic peak - for a workforce that produces exactly nothing in terms of GDP.
 
80deg16minW said:
With only the good ones operating the civil service imagine the outcome!
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Something that can be attributed to every single company, department and profession in the world. Of course there is something that comes from having a smattering of “poor ones”. It can often aide the development of the “good ones”.
Having a look why someone is performing poorly is also something worth considering.
 
Spursex said:
The number of mid-to-senior officials (Grades 6 and 7) has skyrocketed by over 121% since 2010, resulting in a workforce much more heavily weighted toward middle and senior ranks rather than junior administrative officers.

So we now pay vastly more for less and less and poor quality at that, most wouldn't stay employable in the commercial World. Our Civil Service is now close to 550,000 - a historic peak - for a workforce that produces exactly nothing in terms of GDP.
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Quite a sweeping statement there - “So we now pay vastly more for less and less and poor quality at that”. I’d be interested to understand what that’s based on? As it’s certainly not reflective of my experience.

Considering the civil service remunerate at a far lower rate than their industry counterparts, it’s no surprise they struggle to get effective administrative grade personnel through the door at c£22,000pa. Especially if you add in London working.

You are of course correct, there’s no direct link to GDP production (there is an indirect one though!) but without the civil service, you wouldn’t have industry held to account for the provision of workers safety, vehicles on the road that are designed, built and tested to an appropriate standard, produce being sold across the world, our natural environment being protected, prisons operating in any form and the military being provided with and supported in all their operations, amongst a few examples.

Unfortunately the media narrative of the civil service is that it’s vastly over resourced, vastly top heavy, gold plated (especially for pension provision), entirely wasteful and provides no benefit. The reality doesn’t always fit the narrative though and I’d challenge anyone to work a day in a civil service department. Inefficiency comes from the political elite.
 
SwindonSpur82 said:
Quite a sweeping statement there - “So we now pay vastly more for less and less and poor quality at that”. I’d be interested to understand what that’s based on? As it’s certainly not reflective of my experience.

Considering the civil service remunerate at a far lower rate than their industry counterparts, it’s no surprise they struggle to get effective administrative grade personnel through the door at c£22,000pa. Especially if you add in London working.

You are of course correct, there’s no direct link to GDP production (there is an indirect one though!) but without the civil service, you wouldn’t have industry held to account for the provision of workers safety, vehicles on the road that are designed, built and tested to an appropriate standard, produce being sold across the world, our natural environment being protected, prisons operating in any form and the military being provided with and supported in all their operations, amongst a few examples.

Unfortunately the media narrative of the civil service is that it’s vastly over resourced, vastly top heavy, gold plated (especially for pension provision), entirely wasteful and provides no benefit. The reality doesn’t always fit the narrative though and I’d challenge anyone to work a day in a civil service department. Inefficiency comes from the political elite.
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I'll get told off - so will make this my last post on this here, but happy to carry this on in the off-topic section! :thumbup:

Key findings

  • Between March 2024 and March 2025, civil service employment increased by 6,820, rising from 542,840 to 549,660, a 1.3 per cent increase.
  • This marks the ninth consecutive annual rise in civil service headcount. The only recorded decrease in the available data occurred as of March 2016.
  • The most significant expansion took place in 2021, during the coronavirus pandemic, when employment rose by 6.3 per cent, an increase of 28,525 employees.
  • All grades experienced an increase in their median salary that was above the rate of inflation, with the median salary for all civil servants rising by almost double the level of inflation from March 2024 to March 2025.
  • The number of civil servants receiving over £100,000 increased by 20 per cent between March 2024 and March 2025, representing an additional 590 employees. Salaries within the £150,000-£200,000 range rose more sharply, by 44.2 per cent in this period.
  • While the number of employees in the top three grades increased by 3.9 per cent, administrative officers and assistants, the most junior grade, fell by 4,580, a 3.4 per cent reduction from March 2024 to March 2025.
  • The total cost of civil service salaries in 2025 is estimated at £21 billion, representing a 7.3 per cent increase from 2024, far outpacing growth of the UK economy during that period.[5]
 
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