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Remain in the EU or Leave the EU

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This is a decision that could have real ramifications for football generally

What are Vital posters views?

Should we stay or should we go?

 
100% Remain. Ask yourself the question what has the EU ever done for us and it will turn into a list that would make the classic Monty Python scene seem woefully short.

 
I'm voting to remain but just think if we had left after the last referendum we may never have had to suffer all those awful Italian players.
 
this is really good for those who have an attention span of at least 20 minutes.

https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06/16/watch-dishonesty-industrial-scale-eu-law-expert-analyses-referendum-debate/


 
interesting findings in a latest yougov poll..

Which the Independent states...

"appear to demonstrate an alarming lack of trust in the government’s conduct in the EU referendum campaign."

In total 21 per cent of those surveyed believed that MI5 is working with the UK government to try and stop Britain leaving the EU. Around 40 per cent said this was “probably false” while 39 per cent opted for “don’t know”




http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-poll-brexit-live-leave-voters-mi5-conspiracy-government-a7092806.html

 
Is there any basis for the above fears….

It would appear top MI5 operatives want in

Sir John told the BBC that he and Lord Evans, who led MI5 until three years ago, leaving would also threaten wider European stability, saying: "We are only secure because the wider Europe is secure, pulling out will make it more dangerous."

"The reason we would be less safe [if the UK voted to leave], is that we would be unable to take part in the decisions that frame the sharing of data, which is a crucial part of counter-terrorism and counter-cyber work that we do these days,

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36239741

On the other hand former MI5 operative David Shayler has a different view he says its a puppet show and we got to get out of CIA intiated European Union.

Interesting viewpoints..

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Of course don't be taken in by everything these folk (Shayler / Icke etc.. ) put forward, they more than likely COINTELPRO operatives, whose objective is to neutralize the activities of political dissent by misdirection and outrageous statements.

You got seperate the wheat from the chaff.


 
Boszi, you're wasting your time with this. They'll shout you down as a nutter, it's clear to me also what's happening here, and I for one agree with you mate.
 
Graphs with facts (plus one with estimates).

The economy has prospered.
Wages are not pushed down.
We have very little regulation (either self imposed or from the EU).
Etc.

https://next.ft.com/content/0260242c-370b-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7
 
Can these gains be repeated though?

Andrew Lilico, a British economist at the consulting firm Europe Economics agrees that EU membership has been beneficial.....

"The creation and expansion of the EU over the past half-century as a great accomplishment with benefits for both Britain and continental Europe."

However he goes on to say....

We've gained considerably by being in the EU, but the sorts of gains we've made are gains we can't repeat from here."

Once we withdraw, the EU will be able to become a unified state. It will allow the EU to grow faster, which will be to our advantage as well.


http://www.vox.com/2016/6/21/11974600/brexit-eu-euro-disaster




 
payola1980 - 21/6/2016 14:45

Boszi, you're wasting your time with this. They'll shout you down as a nutter, it's clear to me also what's happening here, and I for one agree with you mate.
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Thanks payola, It did cross my mind that I maybe Iiving in an "alternative reality" where everyone is stark raving mad, however the following words helped give me a clearer understanding of matters....

"That said, there is a subset of your experience that is an illusion. Although life is not an illusion, all the shit you are sold by the mainstream media is an illusion. Most of the news is an illusion, much of history is an illusion, large parts of the economy are an illusion, the elections are an illusion, Congress is an illusion, the President is an illusion, and so on. Not that these things don't exist; but they don't exist as you think they do.

They are manufactured, managed, hoaxed, or otherwise faked. Animals and trees and so on live in the real world; you do only to a certain extent. To the extent you believe what the mainstream media tells you, to that extent you have been deluded, colluded, and just looted."

Those words came from Miles Mathis, and while openly admiiting some of his Physics stuff is sometimes behond my comprehension, his writings that are not, and i'm not saying I agree with all he writes, do make a great deal of sense.

THE GREATEST STANDING ERRORS IN PHYSICS
AND MATHEMATICS

http://milesmathis.com/

And as he states in the preface to his book ....

Lest I be dismissed as a crank before my first equation hits the page (and this sort of dismissal has become pandemic in the field), ....

I know that most will be shocked at my presumption, and the rest will question my credentials. But I can only answer that physics has never, in the whole history of science, had anything to do with credentials or false humility. It has to do only with truth. If my equations are faulty, then I am abashed. If my theory is incomplete, I am vulnerable. But no one should have to apologize for having the courage to question, or to present his findings. The overly socialized and pressurized milieu we live in, where intelligent and earnest people are dismissed for the flimsiest of reasons, or for no reason, and where most people are cowed into permanent silence, has more to answer for to history, or to the gods of physics and math, than I ever will for my boldness.

 
in_the_top_one - 15/6/2016 09:24

Ha ha. True. And PVH was a mixed bag.
No Lars, Roy, MLJ or Keane either though.
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Not quite accurate. Irish citizens have been free to come to Britain and work since the division of 1922. Might be some things to sort out with the relative FAs but otherwise no restrictions.
 
If this report is to be beleived then its going to be close...

With just one day of campaigning left a poll of polls analysis has put Leave ahead by one percentage point.

The Financial Times poll of polls today shows Leave having claimed 45 per cent of the vote to Remain's 44 per cent.

However, that means that 11 per cent are undecided.

Which way will they swing?

If its raining will they stay home and not bother to vote?

http://www.cityam.com/243847/eu-referendum-ft-poll-polls-puts-leave

Another poll suggesting Out could be the winner...

Could Lancashire be on the verge of voting to leave the European Union tomorrow? Well judging by a poll of LEP readers, the answer is yes.

Out of 1,496 votes, more than 900 people said they wanted out of the EU ahead of Thursday’s referendum.

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/poll-results-lancashire-votes-to-leave-the-eu-1-7976722


 
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