refugees

Lord Ron Saunders

Lord Ron Saunders

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I 've waited for a thread to start about the refugees, either I've missed it or it's posted under another name.
Today i seen those photos of the young Syrian boy drowned on the beach in Turkey. That upset me, what the hell is going on. I was one of the many people who said no more refugees, after that photo today my opinion has changed. I dont know how, but we have to help. Today the TV showed footage of refugees getting on a train, they were cramed on, My god, this was reminiscent of the nazis in WW2 and the jews. I saw our PM saying we are doing more than enough, what a **** that man is, we cant do enough whilst young kids are drowning. I dont know what the answer is, but after I've posted this thread, I'm sending a email to my MP. If you have the same opinion as me, I urge you do the same.
 
I totally agree, Lord Ron. When you see the figures on what we are doing for these people compared to our European partners, we are lagging a long way behind.

Imagine what they are fleeing if what they are going through now is better?
 
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Given how comparatively few Syrians we have taken in so far (around 5,000 since 2011 out of over 4 million) I think we have a moral duty to take in a few thousand more whilst world leaders actually get off their collective backsides and try to start doing something about this humanitarian crisis.
 
Yes I was coming on to post about this: It's an emotive subject a bit like the 'infidels' topic. What is the answer? We don't need anymore migrants. We are NOT a big enough country however it is an oxymoron maybe scenario. This is what people are saying. I am not saying they are my words

How can we turn our backs on them? The picture of the dead little boy was done to create maximum affect and it worked.

I know people who want us out of Europe saying we have got to take in the refugees. The P.M saying he was doing more than enough, is something people would have disagreed with months ago. Now because of the nature of this we need to be doing more.

The thing is even if we were doing more, it wouldn't have stopped this little boy drowning, unless we are going to put boats outside the ports to these places and just take them in.

I am trying to be pragmatic here. Can Europe and The U.K really hold all the 100's of thousands wanting to get here. Germany is expected to take in 800 thousand of refugees this year and says we aren't doing enough.

If we want to do more, we need to let them in Calais through first, as they are already there. I knwo some will think I am being callous. I am not. I am just trying to break this down in what I see as the facts
 
Its vile and its tragic and it is what I have been trying to say. Take aside the shite (that we all concentrate on) and you have human beings like you and me.

Even if the long term answer is repatriation the short term answer is to help these souls. Are there some coming for a gravy train? Maybe. Most I believe are just desperate people in fear of their lives. It must be hellish.

Quite what the answer is I just don't know, but most countries have got plenty of unused buildings, they don't need bells and whistles in them, just beds, food and shelter.

I don't believe in such things but I would love to hope there is a heaven and that little boy is there being embraced by love.

As you say Lord Ron, it looks like the tragedies of WW2 at the moment.
 
tmg513 - 3/9/2015 18:57

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What a fucking scum bag even if he is right how could you possibly not show compassion or at the very least keep ya fucking gob shut when you see such awful scenes.If the family were so well off I'm sure he would have bought something better than a tiny rubber dinghy you vile piece of scum.
 
You make a good point Skeggy. A question I heard asked on radio )I think it was) earlier.
 
Yeah, why is the UK usually their final destination? We are only a small country, we simply cannot afford to take on the extra burden.

I feel sorry for the innocents fleeing ISIS etc just like anyone else, but there has to be a limit. Let some of the bigger and richer countries take them in.... as SKEGGY says, some of the Arab countries.... at least their cultures will be similar.

 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 3/9/2015 19:09

There is a huge difference between economic migrants and people fleeing terror. I'm sure most people can see that.
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The problem, Heath, is telling the difference.
The scale of thinking needed to help solve this problem is immense.
You'd need to have a heart of stone not to have felt something crumble in the deepest part of your insides on seeing those pictures. (Of course, going by the comment of that UKipper, some people do have such hearts, sadly.)
There is an interesting (and quite sensible, I think) article on the subject in today's IRISH INDEPENDENT.

The influx of the refugees into Europe is the greatest issue the continent has faced since the start of the financial crisis in 2008. Depending on how we respond to it, the refugee crisis has the potential to transform European politics, to transform the welfare state and to transform the societies in which we live.
There can be no hiding place. Sitting on this island of ours on the edge of the Atlantic, we imagine that the problem is as far away, as distant and remote as Adolf Hitler's takeover of the Sudetenland in 1938.
Angela Merkel doesn't see it that way. Germany has agreed to take in an incredible 800,000 asylum seekers this year, equal to 1pc of its population. Proportionately speaking, Sweden is doing something similar.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/eu-needs-to-work-out-a-generous-migrant-quota-and-then-stick-to-it-31501478.html
 
Pride of Lions - 4/9/2015 11:01

Yeah, why is the UK usually their final destination? We are only a small country, we simply cannot afford to take on the extra burden.

I feel sorry for the innocents fleeing ISIS etc just like anyone else, but there has to be a limit. Let some of the bigger and richer countries take them in.... as SKEGGY says, some of the Arab countries.... at least their cultures will be similar.
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The UK isn't their final destination. That little boy and his family were trying to join their family in Canada. Germany is preparing to take in 800,000 refugees from Syria. Britain has taken in 200 so far. Yes, 200.

Let's have a few facts:

According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), over 3 million have fled to Syria's immediate neighbours Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq. 6.5 million are internally displaced within Syria. Meanwhile, under 150,000 Syrians have declared asylum in the European Union, while member states have pledged to resettle a further 33,000 Syrians. The vast majority of these resettlement spots – 28,500 or 85% – are pledged by Germany.

From: http://syrianrefugees.eu/

This is a massive refugee crisis. These people aren't economic migrants looking for an easy life, they are human beings fleeing a war between Bashar Al-Assad's murderous regime and ISIS.

They are human beings who are running for their lives and need our help.
 
During the Vietnam War, Malaysia housed Vietnamese refugees in an army base near Kuala Lumpur. As far as I know, they were housed and fed but weren't allowed to leave the base. Once the war was over they were repatriated. Couldn't something similar be done with the Syrians?
 
Well, I wish them well. I don't want to come across nasty - even if I already have, but Britain simply cannot take more. There's enough illegals creeping in as it is.

I just hope and wish, something happens very soon to wipe out ISIS and Assad so they refugees can be swiftly repatriated so they can get on with their lives and live in peace.

 
Britain has loads of room, just not in the South East or some of the major cities.

We have to be careful, in taking these refugees, that we don't create more ghettos. Spread evenly across parts of the UK, nobody would even notice the difference.

Of course, this won't happen, and some poor community will have them all foisted upon them, which will cause more discourse.
 
Yeah, surely no more in the West Midlands..................

BBC WM 95.6 retweeted
Michelle Dawes ?@MichelleDawes 53 mins53 minutes ago
In the @bbcwm News :
Almost a third of pupils in the West Midlands are now classed as having English as an additional language


And no doubt growing... soon be over a third!

 
Pride of Lions - 4/9/2015 18:36

Yeah, surely no more in the West Midlands..................

BBC WM 95.6 retweeted
Michelle Dawes ?@MichelleDawes 53 mins53 minutes ago
In the @bbcwm News :
Almost a third of pupils in the West Midlands are now classed as having English as an additional language


And no doubt growing... soon be over a third!
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And that's just the Yam Yams!
 
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