Premiership sides v Gills

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Haven't we conceded 5 against Chelsea, Arsenal and now Spurs. We have to accept the gulf in class and finances. We are a mid table League 1 side with delusions of grandeur. Should we get to the Championship again we will be unable to compete financially. JEDs results need to improve but let's not get above ourselves. I will be happy if we beat Charlton.
 
Well lets give up now then, sorry Brexiteer but football is the theatre of dreams, without our dream what's the point.
 
We may have conceded 5 against Arsenal and Chelsea but we managed to give a good account of ourselves and show what we're all about. Last night was embarrassing and to only concede five was down to Spurs' wastefulness. We simply offered nothing. Spurs will have faced more difficult plastic cones in training this season. To have lost two games 5-0 already this season does not augur well.
 
Totally agree with nibbles. Spurs were excellent, but their team, whilst including a couple of first teamers and one great player, isn't the same level of opponent as Chelsea's team in 2000, who were playing a first choice XI in an FA Cup Quarter Final with the addition of their fans being massively up for an important game, as opposed to the half hearted support from the Spurs fans last night for a competition they really aren't fussed about on and off of the pitch. In the Arsenal game, we scored two and were competitive for about an hour (from memory), last night we were 5-0 by that stage.

Again, people are throwing out generalisations without analysing situations, matches and performances.
 
We also played Chelsea again a couple of seasons later at home and it was 4-2, and it was agreat game. They were 3-0 up through clasy play but then we brought it back to 3-2 and we really had them on the ropes until they killed the game off hitting us on the break. That was a very good game.
 
The most memorable thing about that 4-2 Chelsea game was the atmosphere inside Priestfield that day. The place was rocking and the noise was constant. Jesper Gronkjaer said afterwards he'd never experienced anything like it.
 
Eagerxile - 22/9/2016 10:27

The most memorable thing about that 4-2 Chelsea game was the atmosphere inside Priestfield that day. The place was rocking and the noise was constant. Jesper Gronkjaer said afterwards he'd never experienced anything like it.
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Yes, was for me the best atmosphere I've heard in the modern day priestfield and best since Swine and Sunderland in the playoffs of 87 - the West Ham 2-0 win and Sheff Weds FA Cup win came close, but that Chelsea game was the loudest and best atmosphere I can recall by a long way in recent times - just proves it can be done in modern stadia with out happy clappy ultra fake foreign orchestrated type stuff. I remember even Gray and Tyler were having kittens about the atmosphere when we pulled it back to 2-3.


 
ST - unfortunately your memory elludes you and actualy the facts prove the opposite of your point.

There was actually a drum in the ground during this game. I know - because I brought it - i was about 14/15 at the time in my defence. It was the first game I brought it and because it felt like it had done such a great job I took it to about 3/4 other games. I think a home game against Grimsby at the time as well if I remember correctly. Stopped taking it as quite frankly it was a ball ache and oddly enough, somebody else started bringing one down the front of the town end. Wouldn't dream of taking a drum now - i was 14 and at school at the time, i've got far better things to do now.... but given you absolutely hate all that happy clappy stuff it is interesting to hear that you deem it the best atmosphere in years. Not claiming it was solely down to the drum, maybe it was in spite of the drum, but it certainly was a very big coincidence that the atmosphere was so good and seemed to galvinise 'Hessenthalers Barmy Army' for the game.

Sorry to the poor sods in front of me in the RE that day, but it was a great atmosphere so maybe worth it.
 
We also got smashed 3-0 at home to Blackburn in the League Cup I think when they were in the prem.

They were also a class above that day playing football in the same way Tottenham did last night, with pin point passing, movement, excellent control. We didn't get anywhere near Blackburn that night either.
 
alphabet_king - 22/9/2016 12:30

We also got smashed 3-0 at home to Blackburn in the League Cup I think when they were in the prem.

They were also a class above that day playing football in the same way Tottenham did last night, with pin point passing, movement, excellent control. We didn't get anywhere near Blackburn that night either.
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3-1. Jacko scored a penalty. The fun though was with Jason Brown who was in goal for them that night. He was playing to the RE all night.
 
I don't remember Brown playing, although i just took a look. I do remember them just passing it around us for fun and us getting nowhere near it for most of the game. That day fans accepted that Blackburn were simply better on the night and showing their class. For some reason our fans are blaming it on lack of effort last night. I just think our tactics were wrong, not that we lacked any sort of passion or effort.
 
It's incredibly difficult to give 100% in any given situation when you don't have the conviction of your actions. Our players don't appear to have any confidence in what they are doing presently, don't appear to be happy with what they are being asked to do, and don't appear to understand what they are being asked to do.
No matter how hard they are trying, if the above is true they will always appear to be trying less hard than players who have confidence in what they are doing, are happy with what they are being asked to do and understand what they are being asked to do. I'm normally very lenient / understanding with managers but I'm struggling with Jed. The players appear to be too.
 
I have to say, I remember that Blackburn game pretty well and can't recall them being anywhere near as good as some of the comments above suggest - David Dunn apart, who I seem to recall was a class above any one else on either team. Also, our team then was a terrible Stimson team that ended up getting relegated. From memory, we were in the game until latish and Jackson's goal made it 2-1. I distinctly remember being unimpressed with Blackburn and remembered them being a typical Allardyce team (pretty certain he was in charge then), who were functional but ordinary for a Premiership team playing a poor League One outfit, and I remember going away disappointed that we didn't really get in the game apart from late on.

So, I think the case of comparing that match to last night's match in some sort of attempt to prove that Gills' fans of today's disappointment at losing 5-0 to a very good Spurs team is massively over-ambitious and we're now all tub-thumping bed-wetters is well wide of the mark. Obviously these are just my views and memories, but someone may be able to dig out stats to prove me wrong.

I also remember a similar cruddy League Cup game v Newcastle a few years later, where we were pretty poor against an unimpressive Pardew Newcastle side.
 
I completely agree with your assessment of the Newcastle game. That game was only 2 seasons ago I think. I got in touch with my Mate who supports newcastle and informed him it's incredibly likely they will go down that year as they were poor for a premiership team (although they just about did the business over us). They came 17th I think and went down the next year.

But I do not share your assessment about the Blackburn game. I do think Blackburn kept the ball away from us very easily. At points we almost had to ask them for the ball back. I think your disapointment that we didn't get into the game would align with my assessment though. At the time, I was disapointed (although I accepted it was because they were far better than us) that they were just so much better than us and we couldn't get a hold of the ball really. That's how I remember it anyway. Obviously they were less lethal with it, and didnt have anything like the kind of number of clear opportunities Spurs had last night, , I will fully accept that, but posession wise they were clinical that night IMO.

Likewise, I actually agree with you about the criticism for ourselves last night and am totally against simply going on about how much they are worth. Regardless of how good spurs were, we weren't as good as we should have been either and there were simple bits we failed to do. I think our tactics had a lot to do with that.
 
Fair enough, A_K. Interestingly I did a quick google of that match, and notice that we had the likes of McCammon, Gowling, Nutter and Oli playing - as much as we may bemoan some of our failings now, we clearly have a much much better squad than we did then, which is why some of our recent results and performances are so disappointing (last night less so).
 
I was meaning to ask...but then I saw this thread and for some reason my post didn't appear here. So I'll try again.

WINS against premiership or old division 1 opposition. Bradford City, Sheffield Wednesday, Watford...any others?
 
Two 1-1 draws (away and home replay) with Arsenal in the sixties but lost by 5 in the second replay away. Just the 23,000 attendance at home :)
 
Straightbat - 23/9/2016 01:27

I was meaning to ask...but then I saw this thread and for some reason my post didn't appear here. So I'll try again.

WINS against premiership or old division 1 opposition. Bramdford City, Sheffield Wednesday, Watford...any others?
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Coventry, Bradford, Sheff Weds, Charlton, Portsmouth, then Watfords - in that order I think. Don't think I've missed any? Funny that bar Watford all of those teams have gone a long way down the pecking order now (and I daresay Watford probably will in a few seasons, with only Wednesday with anything like a half chance of getting back in the Prem in any time soon).
 
Loved the Portsmouth one. Two goals for Byfield, one when he was waved back onto the pitch after treatment but waited for their keeper to roll the ball out to a defender. He then sprinted to intercept and score. Another goal hit the post, rebounded and hit the back of their keeper's head to go in. Then Toderov (I think) dived for a penalty which he promptly smacked into their fans.
 
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