Premier League match thread: Nottingham Forest Vs Chelsea, sponsored by Tottenham Hotspur

Pope John XXIII

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Today our thread is sponsored by the club that the Nottingham Forest Manager spends 80% of his time talking about (Celtic 10%; others 5%; Forest 5%, all in the context of himself of course)

It's the World Champions today folks. Thankfully Forest's record against them in the last 2 years is better than that of the ex Spurs manager.

While Wolfie sits in the crowd today seething and hating every Forest fan there, the rest of us will right behind the team while they are trying, are putting in a competent performance. The crowd will be wild if we can get a result. I actually have little doubt that the crowd would sing Postecoglou's name in support should we do really well in this game, as an olive branch.

I'm looking forward to seeing football again, anyway. It feels like I've hardly seen much this season.

Now it's over to ChatGTP for the rest.



1) Maresca’s style of play (short, tactical summary)​

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  • Positional, possession-based build with clear influences from Pep-style positional play (Maresca’s coaching background). He asks fullbacks and inverted midfielders to create overloads in the half-spaces and expects the 6/8s to step into the lines to generate central numerical superiority. Pressing is coordinated but less frantic than extreme Gegenpress — it’s targeted, aimed at forcing rushed pass-backs and recovering the ball high. Key: structure in phases (build → progression → overloads → finish).
  • Transitions matter — Chelsea will look to springwards transitions through quick vertical passes and runners from the attacking midfield/wing zones when they win the ball high.
  • Set-pieces are an actively coached weapon (detailed routines; drilled corner and free-kick plays). Chelsea have worked on both delivery and routines to create high xG from set plays.

What that means for Forest: expect structured build-up but occasional quick vertical bursts; defend half-spaces (where they like to overload) and be ready for well-worked set pieces.

I was looking at this and thought it was very interesting to see what Forest's strengths and weaknesses chart looked like under Postecoglou

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2) Where Chelsea’s goals tend to come from (patterns)​


  • Open play combination play through central progression and overloads in the half-spaces (creative midfielders/inside forwards find runners). Key creators often feed the striker or finish from late runs.
  • Set-pieces — Chelsea are especially dangerous from corners/free-kicks; analytics pieces and set-piece xG trackers show Chelsea rank highly for set-piece xG in recent seasons — these are coached and produce a disproportionate share of goals. Forest should prepare specific markers and zonal cues.
  • Counter-transition goals — when they win the ball high the team can exploit space behind fullbacks with quick vertical passes; expect through balls into strikers when Forest’s fullbacks are high.
  • Penalties / Shots from inside the box — a smaller but consistent source; referee/VAR tendencies (discussed below) matter.

Practical tip: neutralise delivery into the box from set-plays and guard runners from the edge of the box (late second-phase runs).




3) Preferred formation(s)​

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  • Primary: 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 hybrid — Maresca switches between a 4-2-3-1 (double pivot + number 10) and a 4-3-3 where one of the 8s steps into the 10 zone. This gives both width from inverted/overlapping fullbacks and central overloads.
  • In-game flexibility: He will often morph to a 3-4-3 in possession via fullback inverted rotations or re-shape to a narrow 4-4-2 press when defending certain moments. Expect tactical rotations rather than a rigid system.



4) Chelsea’s away form over the last year​

  • Looking at the 2024/25 season and the current 2025/26 campaign, Chelsea were stronger at home than away in 24/25 (Chelsea’s 24/25 away record: 8 wins, 4 draws, 7 losses in the league) and have been patchy on the road; away points tended to be lower than home points. Recent coverage of away form in 2025/26 shows continued volatility (they’ve been better in some big away fixtures but inconsistent overall)


5) Overall strengths and weaknesses (squad problems Chelsea will pose to Forest)​


Strengths

  • Set-pieces & routines — well-worked, high xG from dead-balls.
  • Creative midfielders & central progression (players who can break lines with passes, and midfield runners).
  • Tactical structure and in-game flexibility — Maresca’s team keeps shape, rotates positions intelligently and can change phases without collapsing.
Weaknesses

  • Defensive injuries / instability — injuries to centre-backs (and recent suspensions) force changes in pairing; that reduces cohesion on set-piece defence and when dealing with second balls. Recent injury news confirms absentees.
  • Inconsistency on the road — vulnerability to quick counters when fullbacks are high and occasional pressing lapses.
  • Squad rotation/chemistry — heavy rotation, unsettled striker situation and injuries can blunt cutting edge at times.

Problems Chelsea will pose to Forest

  • Delivered crosses from dead balls and coached corner routines (dangerous on second phases).
  • Central overloads that can pull Forest’s midfield out of shape and create space for runners from deep or the fullbacks.
  • Quick transitions once they win the ball high — Forest must be alert to the first 5–8 seconds after turnovers.



6) Head-to-head (Forest perspective) — last 5 years


I’ve taken “last 5 years” to mean Forest vs Chelsea meetings roughly across the 2020–2025 window. Recent pattern (from several match histories/stat pages):


  • Last 5 (most recent, competitive meetings): Forest have had 1 win, 2 draws, 2 defeats against Chelsea in their recent run — so Chelsea hold the slight edge, but Forest have taken points and produced memorable home results. Notably, Forest’s home win at Stamford Bridge (1-0 in Sep 2023) and competitive draws have balanced the contest on several occasions.

Recent specific matches (high-level):

  • 25 May 2025: Nottingham Forest 0-1 Chelsea.
  • 11 May 2024: Nottingham Forest 2-3 Chelsea.
  • 6 Oct 2024: Chelsea 1-1 Nottingham Forest.
  • 2 Sep 2023: Chelsea 0-1 Nottingham Forest.
    (These results show the rivalry has produced mixed outcomes and Forest have been no-pushovers.)

Takeaway for Forest fans: recent years have been competitive — Forest can get a result if they control set pieces and make Chelsea defend.




7) Match officials — who they are and Kavanagh’s Forest history​


  • Referee: Chris Kavanagh (appointed for Matchweek 8 fixtures, incl. Forest v Chelsea). VAR: Peter Bankes. (Assistants and fourth official as per official appointments list.)
  • Kavanagh’s record with Forest: He has refereed many Forest matches over recent seasons. Compilations of his Forest appointments show mixed outcomes for Forest (few wins, several draws/losses). Analytics pages note he has awarded penalties in Premier League fixtures this season/year (he’s a referee who does give spot-kicks when incidents are clear), and Forest have had penalties awarded against them in some matches refereed by Kavanagh. A public referee-stats summary shows Kavanagh has officiated ~18 Forest matches with only a handful of Forest wins while in his games some penalties have been given (so he is not unusually penalty-averse).

Has Kavanagh ever given Forest a penalty? Yes — across his recent Premier League appointments there have been penalties awarded in games involving Forest (analyst pages list penalties across competitions he has overseen). That said, he does not have an unusually extreme penalty record vs Forest compared with other refs.


Practical note for Forest: with Peter Bankes on VAR, expect strict VAR checks of box incidents — both refereeing and VAR teams have been involved in high-profile reviews this season, so any aerial/handball/contacts in the box are likely to be examined.

 
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9) Short portraits: 15 key, fit Chelsea players (by position)​


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Strikers

1. Liam Delap (CF / striker)

Joined Chelsea June 2025 on a six-year deal.

2024/25 senior stats at previous club: he had a strong season but for Chelsea early only; for Chelsea 2025/26 competing for starts.

Strengths: physical presence, good aerial ability, strong run into channels, fresh legs.

Weaknesses: relative newcomer to Chelsea’s top environment; adapting to higher tactical demands; finishing under pressure still inconsistent.



2. **João Pedro (FW / striker)

Joined Chelsea 29 June 2025 from Brighton.

2024/25 at Brighton: strong attacking output, which Chelsea banked on.

Strengths: good movement, goal-scoring instinct, tactically versatile (can play wide or central).

Weaknesses: new environment; needs time to adapt to Chelsea’s tactical demands and pressure.


Attackers / Wide Players

3. **Cole Palmer (AM / RW) (injured)

Key player for Chelsea going into 2025; 2024/25 saw good returns before injury.

Strengths: creativity, dribbling, goal/assist output, intelligent positioning.

Weaknesses: fitness/injury issues (groin), consistency in high-pressure games still developing.


4. **Pedro Neto (LW / FW)

At Chelsea and used as wide attacker.

Strengths: pace, direct running, ability to beat defenders, crosses.

Weaknesses: end product sometimes inconsistent; needs support from fullback interplay.



5. **Jamie Gittens (LW / FW)

Young winger/forward prospect signed for 2025.

Strengths: energetic, threat from wide, promising youth profile.

Weaknesses: inexperience at top level; less proven outcome in high-stakes matches.


Midfielders

6. **Moïses Caicedo (DM / CM)

Important recent signing; strong midfield presence.

Strengths: physical, ball-winning, good progressive passing, midfield engine.

Weaknesses: can be exposed by very quick forwards; occasionally commits too many fouls; still building synergy with teammates.

7. **Enzo Fernández (CM / advanced play-maker)

Key midfield creative layer.

Strengths: passing range, vision, ability to break lines, late runs into boxes.

Weaknesses: defensive positioning occasionally questioned; fitness/match rhythm to maintain over full season.



8. **Andrey Santos (CM / young)

Emerging midfield talent for Chelsea 2025; on Champions League squad list.

Strengths: energy, youth dynamism, can press effectively.

Weaknesses: limited experience, needs tactical maturity in big games.



9. **Romeo Lavia (CM / pivot)

Another younger midfield player in the rotation. Strengths: athleticism, pressing, good in transitions. Weaknesses: still developing decision-making in possession under pressure.

Defenders

10. **Reece James (RB / RWB)

Established player, important for attacking width and defensive duties.

Strengths: overlapping runs, crossing, leadership, set-piece delivery from right.

Weaknesses: when caught upfield vulnerable on recovery; fitness/injury risk.



11. **Marc Cucurella (LB / LWB)

Regular fullback.

Strengths: width, dribble, strong in one-on-ones, good supporting run.

Weaknesses: defensive recoveries sometimes exposed; up against tricky wingers can be tested.



12. **Benoît Badiashile (CB)

Centre-back with ball-playing ability.

Strengths: height, aerial ability, comfortable in possession, progressive passing.

Weaknesses: pace sometimes questioned vs very fast forwards; chemistry with other CBs still building.



13. **Levi Colwill (CB)

Young centre-back, important for Chelsea’s future.

Strengths: composed, ball-playing, positional intelligence.

Weaknesses: still young, has had injuries; less physical strength compared to seasoned centre-backs.



14. **Tosin Adarabioyo (CB)

Another centre-back option.

Strengths: experienced, strong aerially, good tackling.

Weaknesses: pace vs top forwards; sometimes slower in transitions.



15. **Malo Gusto (RB / RWB)

Alternative fullback option; provides speed and width.

Strengths: pace, attacking impetus, one-on-one defence.

Weaknesses: defensive awareness still developing; positioning under pressure can be inconsistent.



Tactical checklist for Forest (practical, game-day points)​


  1. Organise set-piece marking: assign experienced players to key aerial threats; clear roles for zonal vs man marking. (Chelsea dangerous from set plays.)
  2. Protect the half-spaces: stop Chelsea’s inside overloads; instruct the 6/8 to force play wide.
  3. Exploit transition: keep at least one runner for quick counters when Chelsea’s fullbacks are high. Postecoglou’s side can hurt them by quick vertical balls.
  4. Discipline in the box: expect VAR checks under Bankes — reduce risky tackles and handball situations.
  5. Manage Kavanagh moments: Kavanagh has awarded penalties in recent matches he’s refereed; avoid high-risk aerial challenges and keep composure in confrontational moments.
 
I dont recall ever wanting us to lose a game before, to even contemplate that thought something absolutely terrible must have happened.

We don't care about Tottenham
We don't care about Ange
All we care about
Is Nottingham Forest FC
 
I dont recall ever wanting us to lose a game before, to even contemplate that thought something absolutely terrible must have happened.

We don't care about Tottenham
We don't care about Ange
All we care about
Is Nottingham Forest FC
I certainly don't want us to lose

It's 18th October. I haven't seen Forest win a game in 2 months.

I don't want us to spend a day in the relegation zone, win and we won't. It will ruin my weekend if we lose, as always.

I don't think Postecoglou will work as Forest manager but i don't feel that I need to actively want us to lose to see the back of him, that will come at some point anyway. I have a feeling that it may already be planned in some respect, possibly after the Bournemouth game.

It's not like the old championship days where you had 46 games, so losing one didn't really matter in the scheme of things. Every game at this level is precious.

And ultimately, while I don't like the bloke, I want us to be successful so I want him to be successful. If there was even a morsel of success already we wouldn't be having these conversations.
 
I don’t get how the fat cheating Aussie fraud made it through the international break should have been sacked already
 
I don’t get how the fat cheating Aussie fraud made it through the international break should have been sacked already
It may be that if you give someone a target that they are unlikely to meet that they can have less complaint.
 
I certainly don't want us to lose

It's 18th October. I haven't seen Forest win a game in 2 months.

I don't want us to spend a day in the relegation zone, win and we won't. It will ruin my weekend if we lose, as always.

I don't think Postecoglou will work as Forest manager but i don't feel that I need to actively want us to lose to see the back of him, that will come at some point anyway. I have a feeling that it may already be planned in some respect, possibly after the Bournemouth game.

It's not like the old championship days where you had 46 games, so losing one didn't really matter in the scheme of things. Every game at this level is precious.

And ultimately, while I don't like the bloke, I want us to be successful so I want him to be successful. If there was even a morsel of success already we wouldn't be having these conversations.

TBF after I posted that and had coffee I thought wtf am I on about, no I don't want us to lose and im behind the players today, do still want the clown gone tho.

Coyrs
 
I dont recall ever wanting us to lose a game before, to even contemplate that thought something absolutely terrible must have happened.

We don't care about Tottenham
We don't care about Ange
All we care about
Is Nottingham Forest FC

I want us to win but don't care if we lose and that is shameful and never happened before. The dream is we show some fooking control and I don't just mean possession.
 
Good Fred Pope but one small mistake: Wolf wont be in the crowd today as he said he's giving away his ticket because he can't bear to be in the ground when the fans aren't happy clapping.

So he'll actually be at home, posting online lecturing those who have actually given the time and effort to go and support their team.
 
Would take a draw right now but fear this could be a bad day all round. Let's hope we have a ref that isn't crippling our chances from the off too , we need all the help we can get.
 
I want us to win but don't care if we lose and that is shameful and never happened before. The dream is we show some fooking control and I don't just mean possession.
How can you not care? I will care very much and it will ruin my weekend
 
It’s a bit like a free hit today a win would be great & I’m sure most want that but if we lose it may have the silver lining of drawing a line under the Ange era & allow us to move on
 
What the fuck?


This is about the 3rd or 4th completely different formation he has tried.

Erm...

5-3-2 I guess, with Awoniyi and MGW sort of up front?

Or probably 5-4-1 I guess, or some form of 5-4-1-1

Pretty ultra defensive but useless if we then just concede a set piece.

On the one hand, I want us to be more defensively sound. On the other, what's the point of having Angeball if he himself isn't even willing to back it to work?

As for Awoniyi, I believe in the guy very strongly. Wood and Jesus both off to far flung lands on internationals. But I genuinely did not realise Awoniyi was even in the PL 25