Premier League Match Thread: Newcastle United Vs Nottingham Forest, sponsored by memories of better times (six weeks ago)

I didn't watch the game and don't plan to watch it back.

So far as I see from team selection and reading the thread Ange decided to put his footballing principles aside for this one and we had a solid defensive set up that they found hard to break down. Seems like second half performance was not as solid from comments on here.

Not sure what to make of that report on first half though. I mean it's good that maybe he has learnt he needs to be more respectful of opposition strength and set up accordingly but then I'm sat here thinking what was the point in appointing him if to play a worse brand of the same style as Nuno, if that's what it was first half? I have to praise him for doing it though as I thought he was too stubborn.

It would be grossly unfair to stick the boot into him for doing so but it just rankles me that here we are with a new manager brought into change to an exciting style of football that never really materialised and now we have gone full circle to worse than what we had 6 or 7 games ago.

On this very thread there appear to be people who have supported Anges game plan previously but are now lapping up this first half change of approach. I thought I was in a parallel universe reading that Malta fella comment on how we should repeat the first half performance going. What the actual Fuck:

"This team now needs a psychologist more then another coach.
The team played with discipline, especially the back three. Williams killed Elanga and our Italian how, I think he did well.
Feeling is that Ange will go but considering how we played the first half we might as well stick with him nd repeat same shape...hopefully improve on taking our chances."

I mean 6 games in and the players now need a psychologist but yes stick with Ange and actually the exact type of tactics that he has been moaning about ever since Cooper was fire fighting in the first season up. Mental, seriously unstable.

And then wolf:

" Great half. Job done.

If a new manager had come in and made us look solid like that we would be applauding him

Nice to see our defenders winning all the headers in our box for once this season

Cunha looking good

Keep it tight and as the game goes on they will get more desperate and we might sneak the odd chance or two the other end"

I swear he has spent the past few weeks telling us to give Ange time to implement his style but suddenly thinks a reversal to defensive set up is brilliant.

Complete basket case of a club at present
 
As I said did t watch as we were obviously going to lose but sounds like e Fat Ange isn’t going to do the decent thing and resign what a fat fucking useless ****
 
I did watch and can't see how we ended up with 4 yellows and them none, I'm still fuming at Neco's yellow card.

These things affect the game - he was marauding down the left quite well until Tonali proved to him that the ref was on their side. Then there was a yellow for Yates, for spreading his arms while shielding the ball. Was it Guimares or Joelinton who ran into his arm then when down clutching their face? Meanwhile, they were free to foul at leisure.

When a team is short on confidence, losing confidence in the match official is bound to make things worse. Not an excuse, but it doesn't help.

And a different ref might also have ruled a foul on MGW (preventing their first goal) and no foul by Anderson (preventing the penalty).

We need someone putting the ball in the net, which renders quibbles about the ref less important.
 
pebble said:
I did watch and can't see how we ended up with 4 yellows and them none, I'm still fuming at Neco's yellow card.

These things affect the game - he was marauding down the left quite well until Tonali proved to him that the ref was on their side. Then there was a yellow for Yates, for spreading his arms while shielding the ball. Was it Guimares or Joelinton who ran into his arm then when down clutching their face? Meanwhile, they were free to foul at leisure.

When a team is short on confidence, losing confidence in the match official is bound to make things worse. Not an excuse, but it doesn't help.

And a different ref might also have ruled a foul on MGW (preventing their first goal) and no foul by Anderson (preventing the penalty).

We need someone putting the ball in the net, which renders quibbles about the ref less important.
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I don't see how it affected the game at all.
We could have been out there until Christmas we wouldn't have scored a goal.
Talking about the ref is just a distraction.
 
weejockmcplop said:
I don't see how it affected the game at all.
We could have been out there until Christmas we wouldn't have scored a goal.
Talking about the ref is just a distraction.
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Completely disagree.

It was 0-0 and Neco was raiding well down the wing while keeping Elanga quiet.

Getting him booked, and showing him the ref was so easy to con, didn't help us one bit.

We created very little, but without that and the soft Yates booking we might have got our heads up a little higher and scored. Fine margins.
 
pebble said:
Completely disagree.

It was 0-0 and Neco was raiding well down the wing while keeping Elanga quiet.

Getting him booked, and showing him the ref was so easy to con, didn't help us one bit.

We created very little, but without that and the soft Yates booking we might have got our heads up a little higher and scored. Fine margins.
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The margins aren't fine Pebble. The margins are very much, not fine.

7 games, 5 losses, 2 draws, 0 wins.

15 goals conceded, 7 goals scored. 17 yellow cards.

6 of those goals have come in cup games. We've scored 1 single, solitary goal from our right back in the premier League.

What the hell are you actually trying to defend amongst that lot? If there have been shades of bad luck, it's nothing compared to the rank incompetence or lack of management taking place to get us where we are.
 
LynxRed said:
The margins aren't fine Pebble. The margins are very much, not fine.

7 games, 5 losses, 2 draws, 0 wins.

15 goals conceded, 7 goals scored. 17 yellow cards.

6 of those goals have come in cup games. We've scored 1 single, solitary goal from our right back in the premier League.

What the hell are you actually trying to defend amongst that lot? If there have been shades of bad luck, it's nothing compared to the rank incompetence or lack of management taking place to get us where we are.
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When you read that, it really hammers home just how poor we've been. Marinakis has made his biggest mistake in appointing Ange.
With these facts and the certain knowledge that Marinakis knows the fans have turned against Ange, I expect him gone in the next 48hrs. It's not going to improve.
 
LynxRed said:
The margins aren't fine Pebble. The margins are very much, not fine.

7 games, 5 losses, 2 draws, 0 wins.

15 goals conceded, 7 goals scored. 17 yellow cards.

6 of those goals have come in cup games. We've scored 1 single, solitary goal from our right back in the premier League.

What the hell are you actually trying to defend amongst that lot? If there have been shades of bad luck, it's nothing compared to the rank incompetence or lack of management taking place to get us where we are.
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Take a look at some of the stats for shots we had against shots the opposition had. (44 against Sunderland and Middything, as I recall, against about 16 for opponents).

These are very different margins, games we should have won. That may not be down to the manager. Results are the bottom line, but if we play well enough and create enough chances we should get results.
 
LynxRed said:
The margins aren't fine Pebble. The margins are very much, not fine.

7 games, 5 losses, 2 draws, 0 wins.

15 goals conceded, 7 goals scored. 17 yellow cards.

6 of those goals have come in cup games. We've scored 1 single, solitary goal from our right back in the premier League.

What the hell are you actually trying to defend amongst that lot? If there have been shades of bad luck, it's nothing compared to the rank incompetence or lack of management taking place to get us where we are.
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You also know very well I'm talking about fine margins in this game, two big decisions that went against us.
 
pebble said:
And I can't believe you're citing yellow cards without a degree of irony after today.
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Not a fucking ounce of irony. Our discipline has gone to shit. We've had 4 yellow cards in a game twice, and 3 in another, inside 7 games.

There's absolutely no point citing how many shots we've had, because we aren't scoring them. Clearly we're not creating good chances, because we're conceding goals more than twice as fast as we're scoring them. In the premier league were conceding goals 9 times faster than we're scoring them.

We shouldn't have won against Mitjyland. Other than the open play goal we didn't create a thing. We didn't threaten at all, other than being offside twice which funnily enough, doesn't count for anything.

Here's a graphic Pope shared earlier. This should show just how bad we are, and it's not down to a little bit of misfortune.
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pebble said:
You also know very well I'm talking about fine margins in this game, two big decisions that went against us.
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When I think about this game, I don't think 'fine margins' I think we were beaten by the better team because they were better and any other result would have felt unfair on Newcastle.
And Newcastle weren't even very good.
 
Will.NFFC said:
The recruitment was a big worry for me this summer and not to be ‘told you so’ but I said at the time I wasn’t convinced that bombing £70m on unproven players was a good strategy, nor was I as sold on some of their potential as others.

We’ve been so focused on the resale value that we’ve not done enough due diligence on the ‘ready to step up’ part. We needed a blend of good young players with proven quality - like when we got Milenkovic last season.

However, I’m also a big believer that once most players look shit, it’s not the squad, it’s the manager. We need somebody to
Come in and just manage… manage the defensive structure and manage who are best forward players are. It’s certainly not a squad that should be relegated regardless of overspend.
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Is this the balance Nuno referred to? He clearly had issues with the recruitment and presumably felt the mix wasn't right?

Not defending him for his later actions but he maybe he didn't think he was having enough say in the squad he was the expected to do amazing things with and that the players recruited were not up to it?
 
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