Premier League Match Thread: Bournemouth Vs Nottingham Forest, sponsored by the Halloween Boogeyman

Phatnovice said:
Except even with the errors you mention, the underlying fact is that we are not better than a lower mid table team. The total points for the period is still the same so the monthly averages are as well.

Because of December, we were never going to be involved with the relegation battle last season but we aren't even close to matching last seasons averages even with Decembers results taken out.

In a way I'm looking forward to the distraction of cup games to be out of the way so that we have the recovery and training time necessary to ensure we are still in the EPL next year.
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The best way of looking at it would be points per game, per month.

That way we can see the high performance of December AND March, and the poorer performance of Feb and May.

August- 1.7
September - 1.3
October- 2.3
November- 1.5
December- 2.5
January- 1.75
February- 1
March- 3
April- 1.5
May- 1

In both May and Feb we were on 1 point a game, so roughly 38 points - what Postecoglou got at Spurs, probably survival in most seasons and certainly last season.

They were our worst months.

1.3 per game in September is a 50 point season.

The two 1.5 months in November and April are a 57 point season.

1.7 which we had in August and January, is a 65 point season.

To say that our whole season hinged on December is just plain wrong. Our points per game in 8/10 months were very good, and outstanding in 6 of them

In contrast, our monthly progress this season

August - 1.3
September - 0.3
October- 0

You simply cannot claim any relation between last season and this, or any sign that what we have seen is coming. The absolute devastation that Postecoglou has caused is staggering
 
Polly 433 said:
But it was Ange’s fault.
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Not all but a pretty big bloody chunk of it is down to him and anyway I don't think anyone said it's all his fault people just never wanted him here and said the blame of the appointment was squarely on EM

See what I don't get with the likes of you is that you backed and backed Ange even though it was clear his tactics were not working he was confusing the players with keep changing the team and we got what 1 point in the league out of 15.

This situation now is exactly what people saw coming that if we did not get results in that period we would start to be cut adrift at the bottom yet people like you had the nerve to criticise for us being concerned.

Ange, Dyche or other manager a result away to Bournemouth was always very unlikely given our predicament and how they are performing.

So now everyone who was supportive of Ange seems to be well look we lost to Bournemouth and now we are right in the shit getting separated. You do realise how ridiculous and hypocritical your comment is. I find it so odd that some people who were so overly protective and supportive of Ange to the end are now of the belief we are screwed.

Fuck me at least Dyche has resurrected our shit at Europe. That would likely have been down the pan if Ange was still in charge.
 
Polly 433 said:
But it was Ange’s fault.
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Yes, yes it was. The players have been ridiculously poor but it stems from the manager.
I never wanted him but wanted him to succeed because that meant we were doing well.
I also blame Nuno for engineering his sacking and I blame EM for upsetting the applecart by bringing in Edu. I'm not convinced that was a good appointment for us. Far from it.
 
Barry Goldie said:
Not all but a pretty big bloody chunk of it is down to him and anyway I don't think anyone said it's all his fault people just never wanted him here and said the blame of the appointment was squarely on EM

See what I don't get with the likes of you is that you backed and backed Ange even though it was clear his tactics were not working he was confusing the players with keep changing the team and we got what 1 point in the league out of 15.

This situation now is exactly what people saw coming that if we did not get results in that period we would start to be cut adrift at the bottom yet people like you had the nerve to criticise for us being concerned.

Ange, Dyche or other manager a result away to Bournemouth was always very unlikely given our predicament and how they are performing.

So now everyone who was supportive of Ange seems to be well look we lost to Bournemouth and now we are right in the shit getting separated. You do realise how ridiculous and hypocritical your comment is. I find it so odd that some people who were so overly protective and supportive of Ange to the end are now of the belief we are screwed.

Fuck me at least Dyche has resurrected our shit at Europe. That would likely have been down the pan if Ange was still in charge.
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Nothing wrong with supporting Ange once he was appointed. He was unlucky with our failure to turn chances into goals, and the poor refereeing in a few games (still can't believe the FK and yellow for Dominguez v Sunderland), but we let in so many (mostly from zonal marking at set pieces AFAIK) that he had to go, and we can hope that Dyche, Stone and Woan will start by getting our defensive record back.

Because 5 points from 9 games is 'we're screwed'. It's as bad as when Cooper took over, a division higher. If we don't start keeping clean sheets we'll struggle to stay up.

The good news is that if we manage to play as a team with our current squad we should easily stay up, and progress in Europe.
 
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Barry Goldie said:
Not all but a pretty big bloody chunk of it is down to him and anyway I don't think anyone said it's all his fault people just never wanted him here and said the blame of the appointment was squarely on EM

See what I don't get with the likes of you is that you backed and backed Ange even though it was clear his tactics were not working he was confusing the players with keep changing the team and we got what 1 point in the league out of 15.

This situation now is exactly what people saw coming that if we did not get results in that period we would start to be cut adrift at the bottom yet people like you had the nerve to criticise for us being concerned.

Ange, Dyche or other manager a result away to Bournemouth was always very unlikely given our predicament and how they are performing.

So now everyone who was supportive of Ange seems to be well look we lost to Bournemouth and now we are right in the shit getting separated. You do realise how ridiculous and hypocritical your comment is. I find it so odd that some people who were so overly protective and supportive of Ange to the end are now of the belief we are screwed.

Fuck me at least Dyche has resurrected our shit at Europe. That would likely have been down the pan if Ange was still in charge.
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I prefer Dyche to Ange but feel 8 games for anyone is very little opportunity especially given 3 were against Arsenal, Newcastle and Chelsea. Even Midgitland and Betis are serial CL contenders. The two results we could have expected better were against Burnley, who until last week got all their points at home and Sunderland who at present are riding high. A difficult run of games on top of an injury list that ensured a constantly changing lineup. At no time was. His preferred 11 available. The team consistently made changes and squandered and defensive mistakes.

Yes his rotation of players lacked any consistency but we have now seen the problem of Dyche naming basically same side in consecutive games. They run out of energy.

The answer of sustaining good performances home and away in PL and CL is a dilemma. I hope Dyche is given more than 8 games to sort out the problems. Am interested in the claim his tactics were the issue because I saw very little change in tactics except for Newcastle game. I was less critical of Ange than most, be it I found his interviews boring, and will probably give Dyche more time than most.
 
Polly 433 said:
Yes his rotation of players lacked any consistency but we have now seen the problem of Dyche naming basically same side in consecutive games. They run out of energy. .
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Understandable though whilst he gets to grip with the squad he has

Needs to learn about the others a bit in training rather than in Bournemouth away

Or Man Utd at home tbf

Need some behind closed doors matches

Or 11 v 11 semi competitive matches amongst our own squad
 
Thewolf/jimmygordon said:
Understandable though whilst he gets to grip with the squad he has

Needs to learn about the others a bit in training rather than in Bournemouth away

Or Man Utd at home tbf

Need some behind closed doors matches

Or 11 v 11 semi competitive matches amongst our own squad
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What happens with reserve games nowadays ? Have Awoniyi, McAtee etc gone three months with virtually no games at all, or do they play in reserve games. They might not be as quick, but at least it would get them running round, competing and trying to learn how to shoot for 90 minutes.
 
Lienking said:
What happens with reserve games nowadays ? Have Awoniyi, McAtee etc gone three months with virtually no games at all, or do they play in reserve games. They might not be as quick, but at least it would get them running round, competing and trying to learn how to shoot for 90 minutes.
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This is half the problem in the modern game there is no reserve team football. IMO it was huge mistake getting rid of it as it kept none first team players ticking over with game time gave returning injured players game time & gave young players an introduction to mens football.

You’d also think that some of the likes of the players you mention might turn out for the under 21’s or 23’s whatever they are now but can’t say that I’ve noticed it so as you say a number of players have gone months without kicking a ball in anger & that can’t be right
 
seasider red said:
This is half the problem in the modern game there is no reserve team football. IMO it was huge mistake getting rid of it as it kept none first team players ticking over with game time gave returning injured players game time & gave young players an introduction to mens football.

You’d also think that some of the likes of the players you mention might turn out for the under 21’s or 23’s whatever they are now but can’t say that I’ve noticed it so as you say a number of players have gone months without kicking a ball in anger & that can’t be right
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Im sure you used to be able to play a couple of over age players in these types of games

But its getting used to first team systems etc and making partnerships with first team players they need really
 
seasider red said:
This is half the problem in the modern game there is no reserve team football. IMO it was huge mistake getting rid of it as it kept none first team players ticking over with game time gave returning injured players game time & gave young players an introduction to mens football.

You’d also think that some of the likes of the players you mention might turn out for the under 21’s or 23’s whatever they are now but can’t say that I’ve noticed it so as you say a number of players have gone months without kicking a ball in anger & that can’t be right
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Does seem crazy. Looking at recent under 21 games the only recognisable names seem to be the likes of Abbott and Sinclair. Are we not allowed to play a few over age players, though we seem to have loads of players not getting much game time (or none!). (ChatGPT says we can play 5 over age players, plus a keeper, but then the kids aren't getting a game!) Also the league was changed from under 23 to under 21 !)
 
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Lienking said:
Does seem crazy. Looking at recent under 21 games the only recognisable names seem to be the likes of Abbott and Sinclair. Are we not allowed to play a few over age players, though we seem to have loads of players not getting much game time (or none!). (ChatGPT says we can play 5 over age players, plus a keeper, but then the kids aren't getting a game!) Also the league was changed from under 23 to under 21 !)
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Crazy really isn’t it. If I remember correctly the scrapping of reserve team football was an economy measure which my have been ok at the time which is reasonable in the lower leagues but to say PL teams can’t afford to finance a reserve team is absurd when you see how they treat money
 
Polly 433 said:
I prefer Dyche to Ange but feel 8 games for anyone is very little opportunity especially given 3 were against Arsenal, Newcastle and Chelsea. Even Midgitland and Betis are serial CL contenders. The two results we could have expected better were against Burnley, who until last week got all their points at home and Sunderland who at present are riding high. A difficult run of games on top of an injury list that ensured a constantly changing lineup. At no time was. His preferred 11 available. The team consistently made changes and squandered and defensive mistakes.

Yes his rotation of players lacked any consistency but we have now seen the problem of Dyche naming basically same side in consecutive games. They run out of energy.

The answer of sustaining good performances home and away in PL and CL is a dilemma. I hope Dyche is given more than 8 games to sort out the problems. Am interested in the claim his tactics were the issue because I saw very little change in tactics except for Newcastle game. I was less critical of Ange than most, be it I found his interviews boring, and will probably give Dyche more time than most.
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Sensible post.
 
Polly 433 said:
I prefer Dyche to Ange but feel 8 games for anyone is very little opportunity especially given 3 were against Arsenal, Newcastle and Chelsea. Even Midgitland and Betis are serial CL contenders. The two results we could have expected better were against Burnley, who until last week got all their points at home and Sunderland who at present are riding high. A difficult run of games on top of an injury list that ensured a constantly changing lineup. At no time was. His preferred 11 available. The team consistently made changes and squandered and defensive mistakes.

Yes his rotation of players lacked any consistency but we have now seen the problem of Dyche naming basically same side in consecutive games. They run out of energy.

The answer of sustaining good performances home and away in PL and CL is a dilemma. I hope Dyche is given more than 8 games to sort out the problems. Am interested in the claim his tactics were the issue because I saw very little change in tactics except for Newcastle game. I was less critical of Ange than most, be it I found his interviews boring, and will probably give Dyche more time than most.
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I would be loathe to reach any conclusions about rotation or sticking to the same side after only two games.

Whatever approach Dyche chooses to take, he will want to establish defensive stability and cohesion; to do that he will want to figure out what the spine of the team is going to be.

Once he has done that he will be able to figure out how he will rotate effectively, rather than in the random manner favoured by Ange.

Its going to take a few games to accomplish that.
 
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