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I couldn't disagree with this any more.

People are misunderstanding a little about what left and right is.

The very far left dont care about individual rights (collectivism), the vert far right dont care about anything other than individual rights (Libertarianism).

Within both you have the scales of authoritarian they are. Very far authoritarian (fascist) means you have generally a single source of power suppression of opposition, and a society with a huge amount of rules. On the opposite side you have anarchism which means no government, no force to cooperate with how you are told to run anything or live your life.

Antifa are very far left authoritarian because they believe that anyone else with a view point other than their own is a "ist or ism" of some kind and needs to be shut down. They ultimately believe in big government because they require the shut down of opinion to exist, they are likely to want to pull down statues and burn books (See 1984 and fahrenheit 451).

BLM from their policies seem Marxist, which again would be authoritarian left.

A lot of these groups believe in equality of outcome and not equality of chance.

In regards to "a fairer and more equal society" that really depends on view point, if fair means telling people how to think, how to spend your money (if you actually get paid for the work you do), not having personal responsibility over your actions then I'll pass.

:clap: excellent post.

If anyone thinks Antifa are the good guys then they haven't been paying attention.
 
Considering the amount of crimes solved in the UK by police is about 7% a record low and something like 60% of reported crimes don't get a full investigation due to lack of resources it sounds like the police need more funding not less. If people want to invest in other things to try and stop crime in the first place then fair enough but that money coming out of the police budget to reduce numbers and stretch resources even further would make things even worse.

Sorry ........ my comments re de-funding were in relation to the US. I've not heard any suggestion of it over here.

I believe that in the states, it's not an unusual action.
 
Antifa are very far left authoritarian because they believe that anyone else with a view point other than their own is a "ist or ism" of some kind and needs to be shut down. They ultimately believe in big government because they require the shut down of opinion to exist, they are likely to want to pull down statues and burn books (See 1984 and fahrenheit 451)..

But isn't burning books what Hitler did?

That said, according to old Norman Tebbit, Hitler was a Socialist ! Then again, I suppose when compared to Tebbit, maybe he was.

As Greavsey used to say ...................... It's a fanny owld world.
 
Total and utter bollocks.
There are fascists of the left and the right you buffoon ... but that doesn't fit in with your views does it.
And as for offering to joins up the dots ... I hope you are left handed because you couldn't bring yourself to go from left to right.
I'm really not sure you are making the point you think you are.
 
Richymac, please explain to an obvious thicko like me, why the statement All Lives Matter is idiotic.
Because nobody is saying that all lives don't matter. And also it is heavily associated to extreme right-wing factions. Of which I am sure you would like to distance yourself from.
 
I couldn't disagree with this any more.

People are misunderstanding a little about what left and right is.

The very far left dont care about individual rights (collectivism), the vert far right dont care about anything other than individual rights (Libertarianism).

Within both you have the scales of authoritarian they are. Very far authoritarian (fascist) means you have generally a single source of power suppression of opposition, and a society with a huge amount of rules. On the opposite side you have anarchism which means no government, no force to cooperate with how you are told to run anything or live your life.

Antifa are very far left authoritarian because they believe that anyone else with a view point other than their own is a "ist or ism" of some kind and needs to be shut down. They ultimately believe in big government because they require the shut down of opinion to exist, they are likely to want to pull down statues and burn books (See 1984 and fahrenheit 451).

BLM from their policies seem Marxist, which again would be authoritarian left.

A lot of these groups believe in equality of outcome and not equality of chance.

In regards to "a fairer and more equal society" that really depends on view point, if fair means telling people how to think, how to spend your money (if you actually get paid for the work you do), not having personal responsibility over your actions then I'll pass.
BLM is a movement it is not attached to any political leaning. End of. Hope this clears up any confusion. Not Marxist, Thatcherites, leninists... Just people.

Fairer and equal society as in we all get the same chances. Yes equality of chance. It really isn't hard to understand. Black people in our society currently don't have equal chances. Simple.

You really don't know what Antifa are either. Go and educate yourself and come back.
 
I suggest many are confusing BLM with mindless thuggery. There are some very bad apples atm trying to make BLM a riot. No sensible person that supports BLM (the vast majority are peaceful) wants this or is saying it should be done.

Listen to the BLM speakers who talk of reforming education, community policing, cuts to social care and social services. All of this disproportionately affects black communities. So yes Black lives matter more right now because we all want equality of chance and outcome for all. That is it.

PM me if anyone wants to actually understand BLM without just calling them all marxists then something something Antifa something somthing "i'm not a racist"

Nobody is calling anyone a racist or any ism here. I certainly haven't but it is funny that a few here have said they felt they would be called an ism for their views. Maybe chew on that for a bit?
 
Because nobody is saying that all lives don't matter. And also it is heavily associated to extreme right-wing factions. Of which I am sure you would like to distance yourself from.

I don't side with any faction left or right. Don't you think Black Lives Matter is also now associated with a pretty unpleasant faction, regardless of it's initial intention.

Maybe a rebranding, a more inclusive one, is called for.

You are admitting that all lives matter, so how on earth can All Lives Matter be an idiotic statement? Unless you consider yourself to be an idiot?
 
I don't side with any faction left or right. Don't you think Black Lives Matter is also now associated with a pretty unpleasant faction, regardless of it's initial intention.

Maybe a rebranding, a more inclusive one, is called for.

You are admitting that all lives matter, so how on earth can All Lives Matter be an idiotic statement? Unless you consider yourself to be an idiot?
In context of black lives matter all liVes matter is just about the most idiotic thing you can say.
Let's not get it twisted the banner said "white lives matter". both wlm and alm are rooted in right wing fanaticism.
BLM is a DECENTRALISED MOVEMENT WITH NO LEANING POLITICALLY.
 
Richy, I think you'll acknowledge that I've been broadly supportive of the BLM protests. As such, I agree that WLM or even ALM are an unnecessary response.

However, unless there's a context to those statements, it's wrong to say they're rooted in racism. Sometimes, they may be, sometimes, they won't. Let's not try and label everyone with an undeserved tag.

I personally feel that BLMtoo would have had more of an impact ........ but as a middle aged white bloke, what do I know?
 
In context of black lives matter all liVes matter is just about the most idiotic thing you can say.
Let's not get it twisted the banner said "white lives matter". both wlm and alm are rooted in right wing fanaticism.
BLM is a DECENTRALISED MOVEMENT WITH NO LEANING POLITICALLY.

Originally maybe, but not anymore, hence the rebranding suggestion.
 
Yeah, you don't know me. Don't profess to. Ta ta

I know you're confused. In all honesty activists like you are any movement's worst nightmare....meaning when the general population see what the latest hobby horse to get angry about is they zone out and lose interest. I know this comes as a shock knowing that outside the twitter bubble there's little interest...sorry to break it to you.
 
Or how about " All Lives Matter ( which includes black people annall and even soppy activists).

Now that has a ring to it.

It's like the comic strip I posted. All houses matter.

BUT THAT ONE IS ON FIRE!

So? I'll water this one which isn't on fire because all houses matter