Political Scheming!

Welshtel

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APART from hijacking a pop festival for political purposes and ruining a perfectly good event like Glastonbury and turning it into a farce with Jeremy Corbyn pretending to be a contender for being a prime minister, small 'p', small 'm', the labour party, small 'l', small 'p' is now trying to turn almost every event they can into a reflection on the government. By the way, Corbyn ignored Armed Forces Day, snubbing our valiant protectors and attended the festival instead. Past Labour Partys look positively professional compared to the current one (we won't even mention Diane Abbot and her TV interviews and succinct grasp of official policy).

If taking a disaster and turning it into an attack on the government, who had nothing to do with it, with left wing activists trying to whip up some political story, is not bad enough, the labour party is now trying to make out that anything the government did not stump up money for, no matter how much is available in the coffers, is inhuman or insane?

Now I've rarely been a fan of the labour party but to stoop to these levels is not even human or sane. What is really galling in listening to the recent activist propaganda is that the Grenfell flats and other tower blocks were updated by Tony Blair's government and labour government contractors. Failing to upgrade to the proper standards with less safety procedures than there should be is one thing, blaming it on someone else is another thing entirely.

But taking every opportunity during a disaster, before the enquiry verdict is published as to whose fault the fire was, is surely blatant opportunism and that of a kind that is quite cynical. Of course with Camden council and other labour councils adding their activist friends to the noise it could, to the unintelligent, sound like important truth but to the even slightly discerning, there's something whiffy about it all (understatement).

Surely the best thing that local friends could do in a time of crisis is to work to help you get new accommodation, new furniture, clothes and all the other things you have lost, endearing yourself to the people, rather than run off and attack the government when they already have their hands full trying to help out the emergency services, who were obviously stretched trying to put out fires and trying to rescue people with heart wrenching failure. To even insinuate that they should have done more is not only criminal before the fact but wholly unfeeling but activists don't care about that, they only want to make their political point.

With Labour enjoying a seeming upturn in the polls, I wonder how long it could possibly last, once the Discerning British electorate catch on?

 
easy for your political leaning to colour your judgement of a situation Welshy. Abbott definitely had some car crash interviews. So has Boris and he's actually in charge of something under our current government and favourite amongst some to be next PM.

I don't profess to 100% know the ins and outs of who is to blame for Grenfell (although from what I've read there was at the very best criminal neglect) but I highly doubt Tony Blair or the Labour Government had much to do with it, much as I dislike Blair. Surely that would have been more local politics decisions on a council level? See the letter someone sent to the Guardian that I posted in the sprinklers thread.

As for Corbyn "ignoring" armed forces day he posted this up before he headed to Glasto https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/878493139618586625 Perhaps not enough for some who favour the grand theatrics of the two faced politicians who claim hand on heart to care deeply for the lives lost of our soldiers in wars whilst gleefully voting for further conflict that often sees them or their pals see financial benefit. I haven't watched the Glasto speech, not too interested in it but not so sure why it's upset people so much that he did one.

Politics on both sides in this country is pretty much a shit show at the minute imo.
 
It reported today that McDonnell, labours shadow chancellor has branded the government 'murderers'. Barking!
 
Boris is generally recognised as being super intelligent if a little eccentric. Diane Abbott is only where she is due to lack of choice and her close relationship with Corbyn.....very close !!!!

Corbyn has disturbing political beliefs and his pursuit of the young vote is exploitation of the naive.
 
Welshtel - 25/6/2017 18:15

APART from hijacking a pop festival for political purposes and ruining a perfectly good event like Glastonbury and turning it into a farce with Jeremy Corbyn pretending to be a contender for being a prime minister, small 'p', small 'm', the labour party, small 'l', small 'p' is now trying to turn almost every event they can into a reflection on the government. By the way, Corbyn ignored Armed Forces Day, snubbing our valiant protectors and attended the festival instead. Past Labour Partys look positively professional compared to the current one (we won't even mention Diane Abbot and her TV interviews and succinct grasp of official policy).

If taking a disaster and turning it into an attack on the government, who had nothing to do with it, with left wing activists trying to whip up some political story, is not bad enough, the labour party is now trying to make out that anything the government did not stump up money for, no matter how much is available in the coffers, is inhuman or insane?

Now I've rarely been a fan of the labour party but to stoop to these levels is not even human or sane. What is really galling in listening to the recent activist propaganda is that the Grenfell flats and other tower blocks were updated by Tony Blair's government and labour government contractors. Failing to upgrade to the proper standards with less safety procedures than there should be is one thing, blaming it on someone else is another thing entirely.

But taking every opportunity during a disaster, before the enquiry verdict is published as to whose fault the fire was, is surely blatant opportunism and that of a kind that is quite cynical. Of course with Camden council and other labour councils adding their activist friends to the noise it could, to the unintelligent, sound like important truth but to the even slightly discerning, there's something whiffy about it all (understatement).

Surely the best thing that local friends could do in a time of crisis is to work to help you get new accommodation, new furniture, clothes and all the other things you have lost, endearing yourself to the people, rather than run off and attack the government when they already have their hands full trying to help out the emergency services, who were obviously stretched trying to put out fires and trying to rescue people with heart wrenching failure. To even insinuate that they should have done more is not only criminal before the fact but wholly unfeeling but activists don't care about that, they only want to make their political point.

With Labour enjoying a seeming upturn in the polls, I wonder how long it could possibly last, once the Discerning British electorate catch on?

"..With Labour enjoying a seeming upturn in the polls, I wonder how long it could possibly last, once the Discerning British electorate catch on? ..."

It will take them a term or two, just as it always does; Labour have always been spend spend spend and always left a fcuked up economy behind them - you can live in cloud cuckoo land quiet a while before reality strikes.

Millennials have no memory and even less understanding of how socialism screws over everyone, but once the jobs disappear, investment drys up, the smart people and the entrepreneurs will all be racing for the exits - just about the same as it always is - then the reality will bite and the conservatives will have to do the hard bit all over again.

let's not forget that the Conservatives polled 795,000 more votes than labour and were only 695 votes from winning another 11 seats - so it isn't all doom and gloom. Labour won nothing, the ScotNats were put back in their box and come the next election the conservatives couldn't run such a bad campaign and weak manifesto even if they tried...

The Hard part will be educating the youngsters like my daughter than 'free-money' always has a much bigger price and involves much deeper pain than it first looks...
 
Good post 'EX'. What is annoying me is that no one is running the economic argument, why are the Conservatives silent when they should be shouting hard and long on TV about the stupid Labour plans and how they would bankrupt us and run us into MASSIVE debt? Why is no one shouting out that Corbyn, McDonnel, Abbot and co are trying to turn us into a communist state and if Labour ever get in, everything will be taken over by the state and we'll all be political puppets with no free will, taken over by the bureaucrats.

Can't anyone see what Corbyn would do? It's time to take the vote off all those who won't work, they shouldn't be allowed to dictate to those who do work for a living.
 
Do the Conservatives need to discredit Corbyn until the next election ? He will probably do a pretty good job of it himself along with his other hangers on.

Brexit could be the deciding factor. What kind of deal we get. How good a job the govt does in negotiating and making it work. If it gets screwed up Labour will probably get in anyway.
 
There you go, discredited already. Labour party today admits the 100 billion tuition fee debt repayment was an ambition if they could afford it.

How many votes did he buy with that false pledge ?
 
Nick Real Deal - 9/7/2017 22:11

There you go, discredited already. Labour party today admits the 100 billion tuition fee debt repayment was an ambition if they could afford it.

How many votes did he buy with that false pledge ?

As I said their economics are a complete and utter fantasy - but they'll bankrupt us trying to prove them can borrow another Trillion and spread money everywhere like the fairy fantasy Godmother...

The idiot Corbyn didn't even know that the Uni's have had a massive uptake by working class kids - the man is an absolute fool, but it seems grown up people still want to believe in Santa Claus.

I've just had my daughter investigating what the socialists have done to France and the same in Venezuela - had a good debate with her over dinner yesterday and she's finally beginning to understand how socialism slowly destroys countries again and again - although she says she'd still vote labour at the next election if Corbyn promises her free money and a free degree again!

Happy days :10: :17:
 
Nick Real Deal - 9/7/2017 22:11

There you go, discredited already. Labour party today admits the 100 billion tuition fee debt repayment was an ambition if they could afford it.

How many votes did he buy with that false pledge ?

Yes, it's only Labour doing U-turns, right?

 
Why annoys me is that the universities are a hotbed for socialism, with activists and left wing student 'rallies' etc going on, telling people how to behave politically when they've not done a days work in their lives and have no right to speak on how the real world works. They have their ideologies but like the Labour Party have no idea how to sustainably fund the future of the country. 'Grab what you can and take from the state until it's bankrupt, then we'll all muck in and all be poor together', that's their ideology. No forward planning, that's the hallmark of Socialism, spend spend spend and sod tomorrow.

Why is no one shouting out, as the Tory 80's ad campaign said it, that "Labour isn't working?" Labour haven't changed, they'd let more go on benefits and allow people to loll about all day rather than get them back to work, get some self esteem from defining their own future and put money back into the country. Same old tired, uncaring about others, selfish attitude to life that only thinks about number one and won't get off their mental and physical backsides and do some good for the country. A clone of the European mentality, where Greece, Spain, etc just want more and more funds from other countries to prop them up. I'm so glad we're getting out of Europe and determining our own lives again.

The Labour Party and socialism needs dumping big time and our citizens need re educating about self determination, personal pride in themselves and the reality of life.


 
I said it in another thread; Labour didn't ruin the economy in 2008, the banking crisis did. The banking crisis was due (in part) to de-regulation, which is hardly a socialist agenda.

The rest is partisan diatribe, but generally speaking no one should be opposed to providing a good safety net for those out of work. The issue is that 'skivers' make up a tiny percentage of welfare costs, but are treated as though they're eating up 99% of it by the media, because it's easier to make people angry over that rather than ridiculously big public pensions costs (which was Labour's fault).
 
Nick Real Deal - 11/7/2017 08:54

I heard an idea the other day. A new splinter Labour party breaking away from Corbyn and forming a new party.

Great idea. Maybe they can wear yellow... and be called something like Social Democrats, or, no, Liberal Democrats! It worked before!
 
ahx00 - 11/7/2017 08:49

I said it in another thread; Labour didn't ruin the economy in 2008, the banking crisis did. The banking crisis was due (in part) to de-regulation, which is hardly a socialist agenda.

The rest is partisan diatribe, but generally speaking no one should be opposed to providing a good safety net for those out of work. The issue is that 'skivers' make up a tiny percentage of welfare costs, but are treated as though they're eating up 99% of it by the media, because it's easier to make people angry over that rather than ridiculously big public pensions costs (which was Labour's fault).


This.
 
ahx00 - 11/7/2017 08:49

I said it in another thread; Labour didn't ruin the economy in 2008, the banking crisis did. The banking crisis was due (in part) to de-regulation, which is hardly a socialist agenda.

The rest is partisan diatribe, but generally speaking no one should be opposed to providing a good safety net for those out of work. The issue is that 'skivers' make up a tiny percentage of welfare costs, but are treated as though they're eating up 99% of it by the media, because it's easier to make people angry over that rather than ridiculously big public pensions costs (which was Labour's fault).

Governments set policy; I was at Gordon Brown's infamous speech to the CBI when he declared the end of "boom and bust.." and that he and his government were now making expenditure and borrowing plans that could be paid for by 'future generations' - and that's what they did, PGI, ridiculously generous public sector settlements that went on for years and pension liabilities that we could never hope to meet unless we ended all our public sector commitments forever!.

It was ALL predicated on the tax income continuing to grow almost exponentially based on the success of the financial services sector - which they took as a signal to borrow and lend in vast multiples unheard of in the finance sector - to do so, they had to get the labour government (and Brown and Blair were urging them on and to do more) to deregulate and end capital reserve requirements - all of which lead to a race to the bottom in the lending sector and the purchase of worthless debt assets from abroad - all of which the BOE and people like me were warning was a policy disaster and would explode in our faces - which it did.

But even when it did we had that idiot Brown telling everyone that this 'financial crunch' was a blip and would only last 3 months!!!

That is the scale of labour policy ineptitude and lack of understanding, and so we were left with an extra one million public sector jobs to pay for, pension commitments that couldn't be rolled back and PFI payments that are now costing us three times as much as they projected despite years of the lowest interest rates in history.

It was Labour's ineptitude and miss-financial management that got us into the sh*t it did., yet they still haven't learned their lesson(s).

It's no good rewriting history to pretend that they did make the long term financial commitments they did, nor pretending that they didn't spend spend spend nor pretending that they had ruined the legacy of the previous governments surplus's to leave us in the complete financial sh*t.

Labour cannot be trusted and can't even get their basic sums right.

 
The world economy is a big trust scam now anyway and Japan is a clear example of that. The UK was far from the only country running on future generations money, which is why it was a worldwide economic collapse. Labour spent a shit ton, but they built the economy so the debt as % GDP barely changed. You can't even really single them out on pensions either, because the Tories won't touch them in case they dent their voter base.

You can say the sums don't add up and we need to rebalance all you want, but it hasn't worked here and i'd like to see the list of countries that prove austerity does work.

Everyone shit the bed in the lead up to 2008 and only a few countries managed to clean the sheets since. We're not one of them.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not rabidly pro-Corbyn. My shopping list wouldn't be the same as his, but we need to spend, imo.


But then again, i'd probably spend it on Soylent Green factories to solve the food crisis and get rid of the pensions problem. (jk, sorta)
 
ahx00 - 11/7/2017 11:02

The world economy is a big trust scam now anyway and Japan is a clear example of that. The UK was far from the only country running on future generations money, which is why it was a worldwide economic collapse. Labour spent a shit ton, but they built the economy so the debt as % GDP barely changed. You can't even really single them out on pensions either, because the Tories won't touch them in case they dent their voter base.

You can say the sums don't add up and we need to rebalance all you want, but it hasn't worked here and i'd like to see the list of countries that prove austerity does work.

Everyone shit the bed in the lead up to 2008 and only a few countries managed to clean the sheets since. We're not one of them.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not rabidly pro-Corbyn. My shopping list wouldn't be the same as his, but we need to spend, imo.


But then again, i'd probably spend it on Soylent Green factories to solve the food crisis and get rid of the pensions problem. (jk, sorta)

Look no further than Ireland, who after we bailed them out, bit the bullet immediately, cut deep and then deeper and have long since started a full recovery,.