Police sweep on homeless

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This is freaking unbelievable. With all that is going on in the world there is so little crime according to the stats in the other topic they do this to fill in the hours. Freaking disgusting

Adam Jaskowiak was one of the men targeted and said he pleaded with police to be able to keep his things but was ignored.

He was sleeping with eight other people finding shelter for the night in the former Ilford Baths in High Road, Ilford.

All of their belongings were bundled into a police car leaving the men, one in his 60s, stunned.

A police chief told the Recorder the operation was carried out to “reduce the negative impact of rough sleepers”.

But Mr Jaskowiak, 34, said: “They were just taking the sleeping bags and chucking out everything. I asked to keep it and the food, but they said ‘no’.

“I just grabbed as many of my things as possible and put them into a bag and ran.”

He was given the sleeping bag by the Salvation Army, Clements Road, Ilford, over the winter months after becoming homeless when his friend died.

John Clifton, 26, corps officer at the Salvation Army, said: “I’m shocked and disgusted. Why would you take the only form of shelter someone has from them?

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http://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/crime-court/police_swoop_on_the_homeless_taking_sleeping_bags_and_food_parcels_in_co_ordinated_raids_in_redbridge_1_2206446
 
It's obviously good news that crime has fallen so low that the Police have nothing else to do but hassle the homeless. It's not like there are any murders or anything that they could be investigating.
 
Until the whole story is known I keep an open mind, but on the face of it - that don't look good does it ?.

Very said state of affairs if it is true.
 
The police seem to luv to pick on the vulnrable but don't fancy going into the area's like Smethwick Handsworth etc at night where the real trouble and dangers are so they take easy pickings on people who won't fight back,

My dad used to respect the police but he says his admiration and respect was lost when they turned on us in the coal mine strikes and protests he said from then on the police was never the same and seemed to be the governments agents doing as they please rather than police
 
It is mate. But a curious byproduct means you can turn trespass into squatting and then - I believe it's still on the books - lawful ownership unless the landlord takes action quick enough to have them moved on.

There was talk of scrubbing that, but I'm not 100% on what happened.
 
Should we tolerate british citizens in today's age being homeless when we feed and clothe and house foreign immigrants which of some turn against us and hate us anyway?
 
No, but should we tolerate criminal behaviour as a means of not addressing that.

And no, in large cases we don't feed, clothe and home foreign immigrants from day 1 regardless of how much the Daily Fail would like us to.

Contrary to popular belief, more discord is caused to this country by people who are born here.

In purely financial terms the BNP political party and the EDL and other offshoots, Combat 18 and the like cost this country more than any terrorist attack combined, short of going back to the IRA troubles I suspect.

I also think one of the main homeless charities in London has said recently that 'forgeign immigrants' are a big growth aspect to the homeless numbers because they, like others when it is deserved, can't get the support they require.
 
If anybody wants a high horse here given how everybody would respond IF it was their home invaded or their business property invaded by the homeless...

Why not channel that thought into why abandoned swimming baths and other taxpayer owned and funded council properties aren't opened at night, or given free use of to homeless charities or soup kitchens until another suitable use is found for them.

And in most cases the response you would get for such a suggestion would be because the local community doesn't want a bunch of homeless folks wandering their street or in their area.

Afterall, the Police's own response shows complaints had been made doesn't it.

And the bloke quoted who 'ran away from police' decided to either come back when he saw reporters or get in touch with them...hmmmm.

Far from me being a cynic and I honestly don't know...but pray chance Ilford is NOT a Conservative controlled council?
 
Fair points Mike, but in defence of the immigrants getting benefits etc just going off my experiances there has been favouritsim in this country for years towards housing immigrants as there was a new block of flats built in tipton a few years back which caused outrage when a councillor admitted they were only going to allow immigrants into them and they had furniture tv's etc you name it in themit was even in the paper,

Took me and the Mrs nearly 8 years and having 2 kids to get a council house in my area and that was because 4 who was ahead of us in the bidding for it was immigrants and turned the house down due to it's location as its in a rough area council estate that attacks a lot of immigrants if they move in on here otherwise we would still be waiting and that was what the housing officer assistant told us when we accepted and took the keys for the house
 
mike_field - 24/5/2013 21:28

Nobody considering trespass?
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why, where do you want to go mate? I might be tempted.

As for the rest, I agree with Holtelower, would want the full details, if it is true and face value, then it is a disgrace.
 
mike_field - 24/5/2013 23:41

If anybody wants a high horse here given how everybody would respond IF it was their home invaded or their business property invaded by the homeless...

Why not channel that thought into why abandoned swimming baths and other taxpayer owned and funded council properties aren't opened at night, or given free use of to homeless charities or soup kitchens until another suitable use is found for them.

And in most cases the response you would get for such a suggestion would be because the local community doesn't want a bunch of homeless folks wandering their street or in their area.

Afterall, the Police's own response shows complaints had been made doesn't it.

And the bloke quoted who 'ran away from police' decided to either come back when he saw reporters or get in touch with them...hmmmm.

Far from me being a cynic and I honestly don't know...but pray chance Ilford is NOT a Conservative controlled council?
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I do and part of the people in York that do. York though isn't your average City. There is an awful lot going on in York for the homeless and other factors around it
 
there should not be any homeless now or even in the past, as enough religious building in the country laying empty at night isnt there? all the main religions follows jesus as their prophet and i doubt very much if (and i mean a big if) he was so keen on social protection etc.
 
mike_field - 24/5/2013 21:28

Nobody considering trespass?
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And the rich get richer and the poor get stamped on, driven into debt, repossession, out on the street, lost everything and then a bolt hole out of the wind and rain with their few possessions, and then the brown shirts moved in and cleared the area, standard practice in a fascist dictatorship, followed by clearing out the gypsies.

We were talking about Nazi Germany weren't we?

Do you look good in brown Mike? At least the avatar now makes more sense.




 
mike_field - 24/5/2013 23:41

If anybody wants a high horse here given how everybody would respond IF it was their home invaded or their business property invaded by the homeless...
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IF I owned a building that was abandoned and NOT IN USE, I would leave the doors open for the poor buggers and supply them with a tea urn and some sandwiches.

But obviously that's just me.


"the local community doesn't want a bunch of homeless folks wandering their street or in their area"

Out of sight, out of mind, always best hey Mike.

Did you know that no one in Iceland lost their homes during the collapse? The Gov didn't lay the debt on it's people, it made those responsible for the collapse accept their debt, be a lot less homeless if we were the same, but after our system creates these poor unfortunates, the least we can do is remove them from public sight, wouldn't want to be put of our Foie Gras by seeing homeless people would we.

"Afterall, the Police's own response shows complaints had been made doesn't it"

Does it? Or was it just a sweep to clear detritus, it happens all over the World and now it's found it's way here, and the response is "dirty homeless trespassing" "how would you like it if it was your premises"

Didn't know you worked for the corporations Mike, a few of your responses before have made me question your agenda, I asked myself is he just blind to what's going on? Does he just choose to ignore because it completely blows the lid off everything he's believed in all his life? Or is he one of those guys who's job it is to rubbish any alternative view and to protect and back up the Government bullshit.

Or Devils advocate.


I'm on the side of the people




 
steff_the_villan - 25/5/2013 14:59

mike_field - 24/5/2013 21:28

Nobody considering trespass?
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And the rich get richer and the poor get stamped on, driven into debt, repossession, out on the street, lost everything and then a bolt hole out of the wind and rain with their few possessions, and then the brown shirts moved in and cleared the area, standard practice in a fascist dictatorship, followed by clearing out the gypsies.

We were talking about Nazi Germany weren't we?

Do you look good in brown Mike? At least the avatar now makes more sense.
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lol and the way to a fairer society is to ignore the law that protects all.

Has to be the rich getting richer...it was a council bath for a start - would it have a different shine if it was a 45 year old who ignored pensions and sunk his future into owning the baths so he could develop them, not a rich bloke, just somebody who wanted rental income from maybe a market to help secure his future as an OAP?

Draw the line if it suits you mate, it's not sensible. Do you know if the council were willing to open the baths to a local charity to get kids swimming? Would it make a difference to the law and your response if that was true?
 
steff_the_villan - 25/5/2013 15:17

mike_field - 24/5/2013 23:41

If anybody wants a high horse here given how everybody would respond IF it was their home invaded or their business property invaded by the homeless...
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IF you owned a building that was abandoned, IF IF IF. IF you owned a building that was abandoned and IF you had no plans for it.

Lots of IFS there mate sorry.

What IF you had plans for it, a second gym that would provide employment and on Tuesday you turned up and found 60 people in it claiming squatters rights? What IF you went on holiday and found 20 people in your home.

It's all IFS but apparently now I'm being compared to a Nazi. Class.

My agenda for what's it worth is to not believe in everything you read in the press. Irrespective of what you think of coppers who act on complaints and yes the whole 'not in our area' of residents, do you want to look at mental health outreach centres and the planning application battles they have because people don't want their house property prices brought down?

Hopefully my work is done and a big corporation by not reacting and considering the law will be sending the big fat cheque I'd love to deposit in the bank account I don't own. :14:
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