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Police on police bullying and racism (FAO nobs, partly)

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Article here about the racism, bullying and abuse that some BAME police officers have received from their colleagues. According to former chief superintendent of the Metropolitan Police, Dal Babu,the same issues he experienced in the 1980s are still a, "common theme in police forces in Britain."

Just wondering if you've ever witnessed anything like this during your time as a copper, nobs? I'm hoping that if you have you've not tolerated it and have done something about it...

Also, whilst I've got you answering police bullying related questions, is it true that the fake coppers, you know the PCSOs (if that's what they're still called?), get rough treatment from the 'proper' coppers? It occurred to me that those support officers must have a really tough job - no real power but get abuse from low-level petty criminals and street people*, and, I'm guessing, getting abuse from the real coppers too. Presumably on much less money as well. What a shit job, lol!

Here's the article:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/381ddbb1-e493-4875-86da-4fa4368ef839
 
Buddha said:
Article here about the racism, bullying and abuse that some BAME police officers have received from their colleagues. According to former chief superintendent of the Metropolitan Police, Dal Babu,the same issues he experienced in the 1980s are still a, "common theme in police forces in Britain."

Just wondering if you've ever witnessed anything like this during your time as a copper, nobs? I'm hoping that if you have you've not tolerated it and have done something about it...

Also, whilst I've got you answering police bullying related questions, is it true that the fake coppers, you know the PCSOs (if that's what they're still called?), get rough treatment from the 'proper' coppers? It occurred to me that those support officers must have a really tough job - no real power but get abuse from low-level petty criminals and street people*, and, I'm guessing, getting abuse from the real coppers too. Presumably on much less money as well. What a shit job, lol!

Here's the article:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/381ddbb1-e493-4875-86da-4fa4368ef839
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I haven't read the article but I will just say what I said in another thread a few weeks ago. In over 20+ years as a copper, I have never seen or heard anything that would be described as racist language/behaviour from a colleague. I've had this conversation a lot recently and have specifically asked a humber of my black colleagues the same question. I've only been told of one example of an officer displaying racist tendencies and he was sacked.

I've never worked closely enough with a PCSO to know if they have any problems.
 
Nobby_66 said:
I haven't read the article but I will just say what I said in another thread a few weeks ago. In over 20+ years as a copper, I have never seen or heard anything that would be described as racist language/behaviour from a colleague. I've had this conversation a lot recently and have specifically asked a humber of my black colleagues the same question. I've only been told of one example of an officer displaying racist tendencies and he was sacked.

I've never worked closely enough with a PCSO to know if they have any problems.
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Ok, cheers, nobs.
 
Just read that, those that made the statements must feel bloody awful inside, sick to the stomach, just doing the job must be bad enough but to have colleagues and senior members of the force making life even more miserable must be intolerable.
I am not making light of the article and what it describes but my own experience in the RAF late fifties having an accent and coming from a Grammar school as opposed to nearly all aircrew having been to Uni and speaking very posh, I found the assessment process at RAF Hornchurch over the best part of a week quite daunting to say the least.
At one 1 on 1 interview I was asked "what part of the world do you come from". I just replied England, ah yes came the reply but what part of England, certainly not from the south.
Discrimination yes, but not like those going through it today as the article points out this is a much more serious situation.
 
Buddha said:
is it true that the fake coppers, you know the PCSOs (if that's what they're still called?), get rough treatment from the 'proper' coppers? It occurred to me that those support officers must have a really tough job
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So , you call them fake coppers (to provoke) and then change tack , and they become 'support officers'.


Buddha said:
and, I'm guessing, getting abuse from the real coppers too
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To provoke further , you suggest PCOS get abused by 'proper' coppers (not once , but twice in the same post)

Why would a policeman abuse a colleague ?
Why would you 'guess' that to be the case ?
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
Actually Buddha, what is your opinion on Novlett Robyn Williams

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...k-officer-child-porn-example-Mets-racism.html

The headline which sums up the whole case:

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It was accepted that she didn't view the video but knew that the video was on her phone (and didn't do anything about it)

My favourite part of the article was

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I would say that before commenting I would not read the daily mail headlines but l would read actual transcripts.
 
Nobby_66 said:
I haven't read the article but I will just say what I said in another thread a few weeks ago. In over 20+ years as a copper, I have never seen or heard anything that would be described as racist language/behaviour from a colleague. I've had this conversation a lot recently and have specifically asked a humber of my black colleagues the same question. I've only been told of one example of an officer displaying racist tendencies and he was sacked.

I've never worked closely enough with a PCSO to know if they have any problems.
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I take your testimony without question and am heartened to hear it. There are rotters everywhere and only the really stupid ones get caught in full flow. They tend to only "come out" when among "friends".
 
I hear from my contact that the Met are making serious efforts to stamp out sexism and racism in the force.

The police (Met) are suffering from a dodgy past and it will take a long time to get over it. Don't blame the present cohort for what used to happen. Judge them on what they do now.

As John Barnes said on C4 yesterday, it's not just the police and football where there is racism. They reflect society. We need to change how society operates.

Join the force if you want to change it.
 
NorthamptonGills said:
Happy that you're hearing about change but this is a very strange thing to say. Why would I change my chosen career because I expect a key public service to be free of racism and sexism?
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I've been on the sauce (after working hard all day for once) so maybe expressed myself badly. I just meant that some people reject joining the police "'cos it's racist/sexist". I'm not specifically asking anyone to change career!
 
Gills 58 said:
I've been on the sauce (after working hard all day for once) so maybe expressed myself badly. I just meant that some people reject joining the police "'cos it's racist/sexist". I'm not specifically asking anyone to change career!
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Fair play! Enjoy your evening
 
Nobby_66 said:
I haven't read the article but I will just say what I said in another thread a few weeks ago. In over 20+ years as a copper, I have never seen or heard anything that would be described as racist language/behaviour from a colleague. I've had this conversation a lot recently and have specifically asked a humber of my black colleagues the same question. I've only been told of one example of an officer displaying racist tendencies and he was sacked. I've never worked closely enough with a PCSO to know if they have any problems.
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Agree absolutely, same for me.
 
I've been thinking about it after a friend of mine declared "the police are clearly a corrupt, racist organisation".

I mean clearly they are not. But are they not just a representation of society and its stereotypes?

For example if I said to you picture each of the following people below then the colour of their skin would probably vary. It will vary depending on where you grow up etc. but you will have a stereotype your brain instinctively jumps to. For example:
Drug dealer
People traffickers
Gang member
Paedophile
Racist abuser
Phone scams

The list can go on but that will be the case with every member of society. It is those same members of society that make up the police and just like society it is up to people to realise whatever stereotypes they have to change and not act on them.

Nobby will be able to confirm if it's true or not. But I read that if as a PC you witness a colleague break conduct and don't report it then if it later comes to light you get equal punishment as the original offender?
 
An interesting example, LL. The reality is though, that contrary to the theme suggested in your "representation of stereotypes" - if you put that list to anyone that had been in the police for a while, they would have a completely open mind about attributing (subconsciously or otherwise) notions of ethnicity to your categories. Simply because, having had experience dealing with people from each of the categories mentioned, they`d know that criminals come in all different shapes, ages and ethnicity. TBH, i`d say that police probably fall victim to being stereotyped more than many might think - just watch your TV day in day out !
 
We need to take a step back to community policing as in, local police stations and offices, maybe even back to the village bobby. Bobbys on the beat not just reacting by car.

Labour tried it on the cheap a bit with the pcso role but many dod not like being asked questions by anyone that is not a ‘real officer’.
The biggest problem before the brixton riots was not the lack of police on the street in the area but the behaviour of the SPG. Those days are now gone and its time to have hands on policing within communities.
Problem - it costs money!
 
LancsGordoRoad said:
An interesting example, LL. The reality is though, that contrary to the theme suggested in your "representation of stereotypes" - if you put that list to anyone that had been in the police for a while, they would have a completely open mind about attributing (subconsciously or otherwise) notions of ethnicity to your categories. Simply because, having had experience dealing with people from each of the categories mentioned, they`d know that criminals come in all different shapes, ages and ethnicity. TBH, i`d say that police probably fall victim to being stereotyped more than many might think - just watch your TV day in day out !
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https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...hUKEwiunJ__o47qAhWGK6wKHTyaAlIQMygCegUIARCWAQ
 
Jerryattrick said:
We need to take a step back to community policing as in, local police stations and offices, maybe even back to the village bobby. Bobbys on the beat not just reacting by car.

Labour tried it on the cheap a bit with the pcso role but many dod not like being asked questions by anyone that is not a ‘real officer’.
The biggest problem before the brixton riots was not the lack of police on the street in the area but the behaviour of the SPG. Those days are now gone and its time to have hands on policing within communities.
Problem - it costs money!
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The village/community I live in has its own , local cops.
They are local people , and trusted by the residents. They are not employed by the state , but by the council (our local taxes).
I'm not sure , but I think there are 6 of them , 3 shifts of two officers.
The contributions (council tax) are based on the sq metres of the property one lives in, and is per household , not per person.
I pay €140 a year plus a similar figure for rubbish and recycling.
How come this cannot be replicated in the UK ?
 
valenciagill said:
The village/community I live in has its own , local cops.
They are local people , and trusted by the residents. They are not employed by the state , but by the council (our local taxes).
I'm not sure , but I think there are 6 of them , 3 shifts of two officers.
The contributions (council tax) are based on the sq metres of the property one lives in, and is per household , not per person.
I pay €140 a year plus a similar figure for rubbish and recycling.
How come this cannot be replicated in the UK ?
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Because we are taking back control lol :)
 
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