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Player Scores v WBA

They do look dangerous, we can't have Watson in the middle he won't be in the game and we need an actual RB. Bamford tonight kept chasing lost causes, kept harassing their defence and held it up and linked the play. that's what grabban has to play like but will he?
 
Calvin Plummer said:
He got past him twice, the lad against him had two successful dribbles the entire match. Robinson didn't just allow more crosses but more shots also by his opponent. You have WhoScored, if you don't believe me then check...

So Cash had a higher score because he allowed less danger down his flank while still creating far more for us. Not complicated.
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Come off it, CP! WBA constantly attacked down the left as Cash wasn't much of a barrier.

Second half he bust a gut to head the ball and keep it in play on the right touchline, in our half.

Only problem was that took him out of the game while gifting the ball to the opposition. Naive beyond belief. We got away with it because people covered for him - at one point (maybe the same incident!), Robinson popped up at RB to put it out for a throw.

Nothing against Cash as an attacking RM, but he was badly exposed as a RB.
 
Pope John XXIII said:
A study in how to remove all context from stats to render them useless.

So whoscored tells you:

A) how many different players attacked Cash? Because you are utterly pointlessly looking at only one player Vs Cash, ignoring that there is also a fullback attacking him, plus potentially other players

B) how many attacks are screwed up by their players as opposed to successfully defended by Cash?

Does whoscored tell you that on most defensive statistics, Robinson did more? Actually, yes it does;

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Robinson did more interceptions as well.

To be honest, I'm not sure why I even bothering to debate whether a specialist left back put in a better defensive performance than an attacking midfielder based on phoney, context shorn stats based on one opposition player.

You are just trying to provoke an argument so you can have a tantrum and blame it on me. I don't want any part of it. I saw the game, we all saw the game and we all saw that we need a RB
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I didn't say defensive performance, I said overall because I value a fullbacks attacking contribution. Especially when he was our most threatening player on the pitch.

I also didn't engage with you. As usual it was you who then cries fouls like the scouse wannabe that you are.
 
pebble said:
Come off it, CP! WBA constantly attacked down the left as Cash wasn't much of a barrier.

Second half he bust a gut to head the ball and keep it in play on the right touchline, in our half.

Only problem was that took him out of the game while gifting the ball to the opposition. Naive beyond belief. We got away with it because people covered for him - at one point (maybe the same incident!), Robinson popped up at RB to put it out for a throw.

Nothing against Cash as an attacking RM, but he was badly exposed as a RB.
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And yet more shots and crosses came from the other side but like Pope don't let facts get in the way of slagging off one of our youngsters.
 
Calvin Plummer said:
I didn't say defensive performance, I said overall because I value a fullbacks attacking contribution. Especially when he was our most threatening player on the pitch.

I also didn't engage with you. As usual it was you who then cries fouls like the scouse wannabe that you are.
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If you don't want anyone to date to comment on your scores, don't post them. Only you would take such offence because someone dared to challenge your opinions of the game.

Cash's overall performance as an attacking player was excellent. He is, at times and excellent attacker, and as I said over the summer this is a big season for him. Does he gain consistency and regularly become the goal threat he was in the first third of last season? Or does he settle down to being the largely ineffective player with no end product who goes down too easily that he was in the last third.

If he chooses to be the former, he can develop into a player as good as Lolley if not better and a multi million pound PL move will eventually be his. If he becomes the latter, he'll eventually find a good career in L1 or on the fringes of a club like Charlton or Barnsley.

Big season for him. This isn't helped by him being wasted at RB.

It's all well and good for you to lie and say that posters are slagging him off. That is utterly untrue. I have been nothing but complementary about him.

But the reality is, just like Osborn, the lad can't defend and shouldn't be asked to. It isn't him, it isn't his game and when asked to do it he was struggling. We had every defender on the pitch, including Adomah helping him (I notice you haven't mentioned how little help Lolley gives to Robinson, who basically does it all alone).

No surprise, all Cash proved was why he should be in his natural attacking position and not a defensive one. Everyone in that stadium, including the attendant media saw that. You alone saw it differently and feel the need to get nasty and condescending in the belief it supports your point. It doesn't.

I don't agree with your belief that fullbacks should be strictly attacking players who don't need to be able to defend. That's the end of the discussion really.

Cash is too important a player for us to waste him at RB just because forest recruitment have fucked up
 
I also point out that the direct attacking opponent of Cash not only scored but was the best rated player in the match. He accrued far better stats against Cash than Phillips did against Robinson.

This lad is 21 and only making his fourth league start ever. Phillips is 28 and on his 209th appearance Screenshot_20190804-203257_Samsung Internet.jpg
 
Happy to debate with you but as usual you made it personal and then you cry when it happens back. Everyone knew a kid like you, someone who starts something and then goes running to mummy or teacher when they get it back. We all know your modus operandi, you really need a new schtick
 
Calvin Plummer said:
And yet more shots and crosses came from the other side but like Pope don't let facts get in the way of slagging off one of our youngsters.
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Did you read what I said?

"Nothing against Cash as an attacking RM, but he was badly exposed as a RB. "

Hardly 'slagging off'...
 
Calvin Plummer said:
Happy to debate with you but as usual you made it personal and then you cry when it happens back. Everyone knew a kid like you, someone who starts something and then goes running to mummy or teacher when they get it back. We all know your modus operandi, you really need a new schtick
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I didn't make it personal at all.

I said your score for Robinson was "laughable bias". How sensitive are you to think that is personal abuse?

You have a long history of loathing Robinson. You are biased. That's completely up to you

You, on the other hand are making this debate really personal now and that is ridiculous. It would be nice to have a debate without one of these tantrums

And now who is deflecting and ignoring the points?
 
Pope John XXIII said:
I didn't make it personal at all.

I said your score for Robinson was "laughable bias". How sensitive are you to think that is personal abuse?

You have a long history of loathing Robinson. You are biased. That's completely up to you

You, on the other hand are making this debate really personal now and that is ridiculous. It would be nice to have a debate without one of these tantrums

And now who is deflecting and ignoring the points?

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Pope John XXIII said:
I didn't make it personal at all.

I said your score for Robinson was "laughable bias". How sensitive are you to think that is personal abuse?

You have a long history of loathing Robinson. You are biased. That's completely up to you

You, on the other hand are making this debate really personal now and that is ridiculous. It would be nice to have a debate without one of these tantrums

And now who is deflecting and ignoring the points?
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You are just trying to provoke an argument so you can have a tantrum and blame it on me. I don't want any part of it.

Same old Pope
 
Lets face it, there are not debates anymore, be it in here or in politics. A true debate has both parties willing to be proven wrong; but nowadays noone backs down, even in the face of adversity for others around them
 
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