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........ Now that lot would tear through this over technical one up top average shite..........

Well, given that the majority of those players were part of a team who got promoted from the Championship, and went on to play in the Premier League, surely you'd expect them to rip through lots of teams in this Championship, as well as the current team.

The formation's meaningless though. Jewell liked 4-4-2. However, it started to fail him though.

Other Tics managers have achieved great results with alternative formations.

Players win games, often regardless of the formation...... I don't recall a formation winning a game regardless of the players.
 
I dont think that anybody has said that 4-4-2 doesnt work, it has made somewhat of a "comeback" recently but in a newer version without "real" wingers who is hugging the touchline and try to get around the fullback.
Dont take this as a personal insult Jeffs right but what is your fascination with 4-4-2 and especially the way Jewell played it?
As King says the game has changed a lot in the last 15 years, if Jewell was such a tactical mastermind he would still coach at the top level.

That said i personally love Simeones 4-4-2 with Atletico Madrid but that tactic is very different that Jewells (and has its flaws aswell)

My personal opinion is that there is no bad formation only bad tactics, formation is almost irrelevant compared to tactics with/without the ball.
Our "tactics" at the moment is shocking and that has nothing to do with formation and i dont think it would help to play 4-4-2 the "right way".
 
Simply put Sweden it was because in that era of Paul's double promotion it was probably the most enjoyable football I can ever remember. Well at least since that era. Yes it did get harder to play effectively once in the Greed League but It's all been much of the same since Bruce left. One variation of another of the same thing. Not very interesting at all. Cooks style last season was a welcome break in some ways but he has reverted now to hoof ball to no one.
 
That is fair, i should point out that i did not watch a lot of Wigan matches when Jewell was manager so cant say i have seen as many matches as you (especially in the Championship) to compare to today when i can see every game.
I respect your opinion we just see football differently.

Alright back on topic i thought the last 15-20 min against West Brom was interesting as Cook changed to a 4-3-3 with Connolly sitting behind Evans and Morsy. That allowed both Morsy and Evans to get higher up the pitch when pressing and when we had the ball. Add Mcmanamans almost free role and we caused so issues for Brom.
Hopefully we get something similar tomorrow as i think it will create more problem for Swansea than the ultra defensive hoof it to nobody nonsense we have seen in recent months.
 
Haha, the big one has survived so far but the little one(i did not know there was two:)) was set on fire two weeks ago and made it out with a hole in its leg.
 
Alright back on topic i thought the last 15-20 min against West Brom was interesting as Cook changed to a 4-3-3 with Connolly sitting behind Evans and Morsy. That allowed both Morsy and Evans to get higher up the pitch when pressing and when we had the ball. Add Mcmanamans almost free role and we caused so issues for Brom.
Hopefully we get something similar tomorrow as i think it will create more problem for Swansea than the ultra defensive hoof it to nobody nonsense we have seen in recent months.

Great observations and spot on. We also did something different second half against Derby and that worked too - both occasions we pressed higher, got men forward in numbers on attacks and kept the ball on the floor.

If we see anything like that tomorrow we will give ourselves a much better chance than what has become our Plan A of late.
 
Strange how Cook has been knocked down by some people because he got us promoted with a bigger budget than most on League 1. Our budget at the same level when Jewell was in charge totally blew the rest of the division out if the water. And in those days the teams relegated from the PL didn't get the same parachute payments they get now. Jewell did a brilliant job but in much easier circumstances than Cook has now.
 
Wow, a lot to read through on this thread, some interesting opinions on the Manager, the Club and life it seems!

I think the aspect of the Football Club deserves its own thread. Some very interesting comments.

As for life, I don't know, I'm still trying to figure all that out!

Finally that leaves me with Paul Cook. Firstly, I don't see the players day in, day out like he does. Secondly, I don't have the coaching credentials that he or his staff do. I'll just be drawing on what experience I do have.

The Stoke City match was something of a false dawn - looking back at it, Stoke were in skme kind of relegation induced PTSD and we were on a high from promotion. Everyone was fit and we nailed them. Since then, we've been up and down but since the Preston match we've had a real downturn in form and we are staring down the barrel of the gun here. Paul Cook is falling into the trap of losing sight of what brought you to the dance - he's screaming at players, they're switching off, because berating someone will only work so many times before the inevitable thoughts of "Here we go again" and an eye-roll. He's abandoned the 4-2-3-1 and gone with a straightforward 4-4-2, then a deeper and more defensive minded 4-4-1-1. We're playing percentages football, looking for scraps and plodding through games. The body language of the players is such that they're not enjoying it. These are warning signs, clear for us all to see.

My fear is that in spite of players returning, this long ball game, which we are not suited to, is going to be ingrained into the mindset of the players. Shelling it in and hoping for the best won't work with our squad. It just won't. Little balls around the corner and Grigg making intelligent runs with and without the ball coming his way will. Byrne, Windass, Gibson, Connolly, Garner and Vaughan have been very, very poor. Powell is still more fragile than a Faberge egg. Robinson is our only specialist left back, hence Naismith giving it a good go, but not on his level and a very gun shy Dan Burn trotting his way through matches.

However, there is hope. Kipre has been classy and commanding at the back at times. Reece James is a revelation. Evans and Morsy have combined brilliantly together, as we all knew they would. Roberts has pulled out some decent performances. We have a six point gap between us and relegation. Players are returning to fitness; Massey, Dunkley et al have been big misses for us.

My feeling is that McManaman and Mcdonald need to be in that 18. What made Leicester so good when they won the league was players like Leonardo Ulloa and Shinzi Okazaki, the latter running his socks off for an hour, softening up teams before others came on in his place. I feel Cook uses McManaman the wrong way round - do damage first, take him off and bring on a player to get at them. In this sense, I'd like to see Lang back, rather than throwing out other young players in just yet.

I wouldn't sack Cook, no without a more talented manager to go to as a replacement, however the board and the recruitment team need a good look at themselves, because the depth, or lack thereof is what worries me more than anything. There's 14 players I have faith in I'd say, the rest I struggle with.
 
Two steps forward, two steps back. Season encapsulated in 90 minutes today.

To be honest I'm not sure where this leaves Cook. A return to attacking and passing the football first half then a return to the insipid approach second half with poor game management costing us the victory.

Is today's point enough to save his job? Only Junior Royle can tell us that but personally I think he's hanging on by his finger nails. Only drawing at Swansea won't define our season but if we'd taken that first half approach into those recent games against our relegation rivals I don't think we'd be discussing his position. It's so frustrating. Shit or bust I think now on Tuesday.
 
With some difficult games to come in the next few weeks, it's such a pity we couldn't win today. It's going to be a real struggle to stay in this league now I fear, and Paul Cook will have to up his game considerably to get us back to winning ways. I can't see a win though till the second week in February and then winning at Rotherham will be difficult.
 
Two steps forward, two steps back. Season encapsulated in 90 minutes today.

To be honest I'm not sure where this leaves Cook. A return to attacking and passing the football first half then a return to the insipid approach second half with poor game management costing us the victory.

Is today's point enough to save his job? Only Junior Royle can tell us that but personally I think he's hanging on by his finger nails. Only drawing at Swansea won't define our season but if we'd taken that first half approach into those recent games against our relegation rivals I don't think we'd be discussing his position. It's so frustrating. Shit or bust I think now on Tuesday.

fare coment.

if we had of won today. what tipe of win do you think it would of been.
 
A much needed one. Poor substitutions set entirely the wrong tone with our most creative player and best striker sat on their arses for the duration.

i were thinking more back when you described a win for a former maneger that kept him in his job other than geting him sacked and delaying the inevitable.

cant put my finger on the frase you used.
 
i were thinking more back when you described a win for a former maneger that kept him in his job other than geting him sacked and delaying the inevitable.

cant put my finger on the frase you used.

Can't think what you mean Brick :hmmm:

But no I don't think it would have been one of those, not yet anyway.