Oxfam get political
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david-avfc
Vital Champions League
I don't think a charity like this should waste its time effort and money on politics to be honest.
Pride of Lions
I am now official
Agreed. Charity begins at home as far as I'm concerned.
Bikini Inspector
Vital Football Hero
Oxfam CEO salary 2012/13, £119,560. Up 19% from 09/10. No austerity for them either. No doubt Oxfam have had some of their government dibs cut somewhere and are not happy about it.
Juan Mourep
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Fellow Tory Charlie Elphicke added: "Political campaigning by charities like Oxfam is a shameful abuse of taxpayers' money.
"Oxfam is deliberately misleading people - after rising under Labour, child poverty and inequality have been falling under the Conservatives."
But Ben Phillips, Oxfam's Campaigns and Policy Director defended the advert, arguing the charity has a "duty to draw attention to the hardship suffered by poor people we work with in the UK."
"Fighting poverty should not be a party political issue - successive governments have presided over a tide of rising inequality and created a situation where food banks and other providers provided 20 million meals last year to people who could not afford to feed themselves.
"This is an unacceptable situation in one of the world's largest economies and politicians of all stripes have a responsibility to tackle it."
"I don't think a charity like this should waste its time effort and money on politics to be honest."
Why? Is it a waste of time to spread knowledge? Political decisions impact on absolutely everything, so in my opinion, politicians are open to questioning from absolutely everyone over absolutely everything.
Most have no clue, they just digest what they are fed by the British Bullshitting Corporation and The Sun, that is the limit of most, the more shortcomings are advertised, the more people who wake up to the realities on this country, the more likely we'll be able to do something about it.
So many new statutes are sneaking their way into law without the knowledge of the masses, they've already removed or altered all the good vitamins and supplements, home remedies and herb shops, they've already changed your rights, did you even know? Did anyone ask you?
The more parties are held to task, the more we question them the better, they are supposedly working for us! :19: :19: :19: :3:
thefacehead
Vital Football Hero
You'd think Labour were some sort of magic wand party the way some go on about them.
I think given the rise of UKIP that Labour will be in government next year, that will delight many people, and we can then sit back and watch wonderful Labour sort out all the countries problems, just like they did in their 3 terms last time, no one will be out of work, the NHS will be run far more efficiently, all those hard workers in the public sector will have their crippling pensions back up to absurd levels, problem solved, well done Labour!
Let's hope though that Labour somehow find a way to pay for things without borrowing zillions and selling off our gold reserves and spend within our means!
I think given the rise of UKIP that Labour will be in government next year, that will delight many people, and we can then sit back and watch wonderful Labour sort out all the countries problems, just like they did in their 3 terms last time, no one will be out of work, the NHS will be run far more efficiently, all those hard workers in the public sector will have their crippling pensions back up to absurd levels, problem solved, well done Labour!
Let's hope though that Labour somehow find a way to pay for things without borrowing zillions and selling off our gold reserves and spend within our means!
Villa_Grizzly
Vital Squad Member
This is the most undemocratic government in national memory and I utterly fail to see how Oxfam's campaign is political. They are highlighting the causes of poverty in the UK. It's good though that the Tories, almost in error, acknowledged the dire social consequences of the Condem socio-economic impact on the most vulnerable as a direct result of their own draconian policies.
Over 20m people in the UK have now used foodbanks. and a large percentage of service users are in work already. An utter disgrace that one of the strongest economic 1st world countries should reduce the survival and we'll being of some of its citizens to charity. A truly disgraceful unelected government with no mandate making widespread social changes and yet some muppet attacks Oxfam via the charity comission for highlighting the impoverished state some are living in, including I may add some ex servicemen and women.
Over 20m people in the UK have now used foodbanks. and a large percentage of service users are in work already. An utter disgrace that one of the strongest economic 1st world countries should reduce the survival and we'll being of some of its citizens to charity. A truly disgraceful unelected government with no mandate making widespread social changes and yet some muppet attacks Oxfam via the charity comission for highlighting the impoverished state some are living in, including I may add some ex servicemen and women.
thefacehead
Vital Football Hero
Like I said, Labour are so bloody special we won't have to worry next time, the problems of the country are in way related to Labour racking up the countries highest debts in history, nothing at all, wonderful Labour will sort all our problems, can't wait!
The Fear
A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
Oh it is political and if am won't help the homeless in the uk, or have I misunderstood or read mis information on this?
Not sticking up for, or indeed dissing this government or the issue, I'm just not sure a charity like this is acting in the best interest here.
I don't have a particularly high regard for an awful lot of these large charities and the way they pay their top bods though.
Up to them, I'm all for freedom of speech,but personally I would rather charities didn't spend donations on political campaigns.
Not backing labour or Tories, or any of the other lying rat bags here btw!
Not sticking up for, or indeed dissing this government or the issue, I'm just not sure a charity like this is acting in the best interest here.
I don't have a particularly high regard for an awful lot of these large charities and the way they pay their top bods though.
Up to them, I'm all for freedom of speech,but personally I would rather charities didn't spend donations on political campaigns.
Not backing labour or Tories, or any of the other lying rat bags here btw!
Villa_Grizzly
Vital Squad Member
This is not a political campaign.
It is a campaign against the causes of national poverty.
Also, having worked for a large charity I don't now how they ate expected to be run and maintained by individuals working for free, or for pittance. They are often large complex organisations that require high skill sets and that does not come cheap, unless of course you want the charity to have no brand, no influence and no social or fund raising powers where they can actually address the issues they support.
It is a campaign against the causes of national poverty.
Also, having worked for a large charity I don't now how they ate expected to be run and maintained by individuals working for free, or for pittance. They are often large complex organisations that require high skill sets and that does not come cheap, unless of course you want the charity to have no brand, no influence and no social or fund raising powers where they can actually address the issues they support.
The Fear
A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
All issues like this are politics though grizzly. This is why I get confuse (this is as an aside!) when people say they aren't interested in politics, it is all around us, every day!
Also not sure this government is any more un democratic than all of our governments. We are about as secretive a society as possible in a democracy,we know only the tip of the iceberg. The mandarins in Whitehall, the old school tie, the blue bloods, they've always held the power really.
I'd point as a counter to this one being un democratic to the lies dished out by the war criminal Blair. Not siding with one party or the other, just think they are all as bad.
Keep us in the dark and feed us bullshit basically!
Also not sure this government is any more un democratic than all of our governments. We are about as secretive a society as possible in a democracy,we know only the tip of the iceberg. The mandarins in Whitehall, the old school tie, the blue bloods, they've always held the power really.
I'd point as a counter to this one being un democratic to the lies dished out by the war criminal Blair. Not siding with one party or the other, just think they are all as bad.
Keep us in the dark and feed us bullshit basically!
The Fear
A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
Oh and now don't expect them to work for free, or a pittance. I also don't expect them to get more than the prime minister of the country who,whether we love or loathe them have the most complex of jobs.
The layers within some charities, where too many are on too much, is just wrong to me and that is echoed by a few I know who work within that industry.
The layers within some charities, where too many are on too much, is just wrong to me and that is echoed by a few I know who work within that industry.
BringbakMON
Vital Football Hero
sure I have vague recollections of an election putting this govt into power but
20Mill - made up figure surely ?
half the adult population need to use foodbanks - weird there's so many fat feckers around. maybe the fatties aren't the foodbanks 'service users' though
Villa_Grizzly
Vital Squad Member
An election did not put this government in power.
The electorate couldn't form a majority position on any of the political manifesto's that were available so a coalition government was formed and that was a sensible thing to do in the short term for stability purposes though it should only have ever been an interim government.
Given the wide scale reform and changes that were proposed parties should have then gone back to the electorate and sought a majority verdict on either amended manifestos or on coalition proposals, as there was no agreed mandate on which such wide scale changes could be made yet amazingly they did not, fearing no doubt that they would not receive it and lose their chance at government.
In short: nobody voted for any of the changes now in place because they were not part of any manifesto or even an approximation of electorally rejected manifesto's. I certainly did not vote for food banks or for a bedroom tax or for the stripping away of the welfare state ( a social foundation of our political and social system) for the most vulnerable or for diluted reform of the banks. Even if you did want those things you haven't voted for them. Amazing to think that after 14 years of New Labour still nobody wanted to give the Tories or the Lib Dems a majority and so, despite not receiving a mandate, they went and did it all anyway, such was their sense of entitlement.
The Lib Dems actually went back on their manifesto pledges whilst the Tories led an extreme draconian overhaul of our welfare system which also nobody voted for, which no doubt will get peeled back by the New Labour bureaucrats when they return to power with their army of middle managers in 2015, the Lib Dems wiped out at of existence at the polls. Good riddance to them as well.
Cretins.
In my ever so humble the Condem's used an economic and social crisis in the wake of the banking collapse as a political Reichstag fire to justify, without proper mandate or due political process, widespread socio-economic changes based on ideology which have plunged millions into poverty.
As a result we now have a social living crisis in which the poorer are now more vulnerable than ever. That is an absolute fact. Working people without enough income to actually cover the mounting costs of unregulated fuel prices (the cost of wholesale gas and electricity has now gone down by about 16% but they still won't lower their prices for consumers, the ****) and the rising cost of food and house hold bills, who cannot get a penny of the welfare state which, without discrimination or prejudice as to why, is there to ensure that no one starves or is without heated shelter, for that is what it is: a social safety net that we all pay into for there by the grace of God go I.
I do wonder if George Osborne wants to turn Southern England into Monaco or some other Mediterranean low tax principality where all the poor people - or shirkers as the Condem's call them - are driven into ghettoised labour camps somewhere north of Watford.
This government should be in chains not in parliament....
....and breathe Bear, breathe....
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The electorate couldn't form a majority position on any of the political manifesto's that were available so a coalition government was formed and that was a sensible thing to do in the short term for stability purposes though it should only have ever been an interim government.
Given the wide scale reform and changes that were proposed parties should have then gone back to the electorate and sought a majority verdict on either amended manifestos or on coalition proposals, as there was no agreed mandate on which such wide scale changes could be made yet amazingly they did not, fearing no doubt that they would not receive it and lose their chance at government.
In short: nobody voted for any of the changes now in place because they were not part of any manifesto or even an approximation of electorally rejected manifesto's. I certainly did not vote for food banks or for a bedroom tax or for the stripping away of the welfare state ( a social foundation of our political and social system) for the most vulnerable or for diluted reform of the banks. Even if you did want those things you haven't voted for them. Amazing to think that after 14 years of New Labour still nobody wanted to give the Tories or the Lib Dems a majority and so, despite not receiving a mandate, they went and did it all anyway, such was their sense of entitlement.
The Lib Dems actually went back on their manifesto pledges whilst the Tories led an extreme draconian overhaul of our welfare system which also nobody voted for, which no doubt will get peeled back by the New Labour bureaucrats when they return to power with their army of middle managers in 2015, the Lib Dems wiped out at of existence at the polls. Good riddance to them as well.
Cretins.
In my ever so humble the Condem's used an economic and social crisis in the wake of the banking collapse as a political Reichstag fire to justify, without proper mandate or due political process, widespread socio-economic changes based on ideology which have plunged millions into poverty.
As a result we now have a social living crisis in which the poorer are now more vulnerable than ever. That is an absolute fact. Working people without enough income to actually cover the mounting costs of unregulated fuel prices (the cost of wholesale gas and electricity has now gone down by about 16% but they still won't lower their prices for consumers, the ****) and the rising cost of food and house hold bills, who cannot get a penny of the welfare state which, without discrimination or prejudice as to why, is there to ensure that no one starves or is without heated shelter, for that is what it is: a social safety net that we all pay into for there by the grace of God go I.
I do wonder if George Osborne wants to turn Southern England into Monaco or some other Mediterranean low tax principality where all the poor people - or shirkers as the Condem's call them - are driven into ghettoised labour camps somewhere north of Watford.
This government should be in chains not in parliament....
....and breathe Bear, breathe....
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BringbakMON
Vital Football Hero
will stick you down as undecided for voting Tory then next time round
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Wurzel
Vital Football Legend
Charity is big business these days. Far from the voluntary organisations they used to be they now employ staff from their highly paid chief executive down to the chuggers, who pester you in the evening, or walking down the street. As such their opinions on the world do not interest me.
david-avfc
Vital Champions League
I dislike the coalition as much as anyone else, I will leave university with around £40,000 debt because of those arseholes, however, people donate to Oxfam to help the less fortunate in places like Africa. When someone donates to Oxfam they are not doing it so they can be told who to vote for, they are doing it to help those who are [really] less fortunate.
