One rule for them......

Juan Mourep

Juan Mourep

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And another for everyone else

http://www.itv.com/news/central/2014-07-10/coventry-couple-given-criminal-record-for-taking-children-on-holiday-during-term-time/?

A couple from Coventry who took their children on holiday to Australia during term time have been given criminal records.

The parents, who cannot be identified to protect the children's identities, were given conditional discharges.

They both denied committing an offence under Section 44 of the Education 1996 and appeared separately at Nuneaton Magistrates' Court.

The mother was given a twelve month conditional discharge. The father, who changed his plea to guilty, was given a ten month conditional discharge.

They were also ordered to pay £800 towards prosecution costs.

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/parenting/school-499347.html?

Taking your children on holiday during term time has become a huge talking point, with parents being fined if they take their children out of school during the school period.

New reports have revealed that private schools allow children to travel abroad during term time, causing anger among parents with children in state schools.

Families with children in the private education sector are not liable for fines if they take their children out of school during term time for holidays unlike those with children in state schools.

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But this is a classless society, honest! It really is, honest Dave said so :35:



 
Jesus Christ! Britain seems to have completely lost the definition of criminal. The word freedom seems to have been forgotten too. Perhaps The Sun should start a campaign to bring these lost words back. Oh.
 
Yeah, completely stupid. So the ordinary 'Joe Bloggs' who can't afford to pay for private schooling but can manage to take their children on holiday during school time probably because a) it's cheaper then or b) it's the only time he can get time off from work, gets a criminal record and is ordered to pay court costs?......

Outrageous!

Ok, the child is losing education time, but surely there has to be some leeway?

 
I'm a school governor and the instruction from the Council is that we have to report any unauthorised absences - they will then prosecute. The Head is totally behind it and I'm the only dissenting voice. As long as they aren't taking the p I can't see the problem. Never harmed my kids having the odd week off.
 
I had months off in my school years with health. I ended up with a perfectly good set of grades, HND with distinction and a degree.

As you say Cheshire, unless they take the p, it wouldn't make a single bit of difference and travel expands young minds.
 
Coronation street are going to be making an exaplme out of people that take their kids out of school during term time in a few weeks. I read it in the paper the other day that parents are getting fined £100 if they do this. But are willing to take that fine as the holiday still works out cheaper with the fine. They should be made to go to court.... and coronation street throw the book at David and Kylie for taking Max (their son) to Barbados.
 
I would like to know more about the family's attendance record before passing judgment. It would have a massive bearing on the story. Also did the family discuss the holiday with the school? What age were the children, there is a world of difference talking a six year old out of school for a couple of weeks, to a teenager. So in conclusion we need much more information about the case before making any decision.
 
Wurzel - 11/7/2014 09:24

I would like to know more about the family's attendance record before passing judgment. It would have a massive bearing on the story. Also did the family discuss the holiday with the school? What age were the children, there is a world of difference talking a six year old out of school for a couple of weeks, to a teenager. So in conclusion we need much more information about the case before making any decision.
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My thoughts exactly. The article does say that the Grandmother is terminally ill, and living with them, but that the head did not consider this to be extenuating circumstances.

Still, we need to know more before passing judgement.
 
Agree the facts are needed Wurzel.

However my months (and months) out of school were from an early age and through my teens. Teens actually had all my ribs broken, some in several places, a metal bar put in to hold them up. Months out. Then the metal bar shifted and was poking out my side (sorry, I'm in the mood today to make people cringe) and so even more time off.

Didn't damage my education at all. Then again, I don't think the education system is up to much and it appears to have got a lot worse from what I read now and the level of / lack of literacy plus respect.

With the Private schools, they are still fairly strict, my nephew is at Warwick Boys, they'd not let him out in term time unless it was something educational or to the betterment of the school (ie sports related or in his case now drama related... he was given help when he was in a play at the Stratford Upon Avon Royal Shakespeare Theatre)

So it is a bit of a lazy article to suggest all kids at private schools are allowed term time off.
 
Me and the mrs wanted to take the kids away for a couple of days but struggled to time it in with me one lad getting back for Nursery on the Monday so didn't book it, also we will end up taking the babs to Alton Towers Ceebeebies land when every other families am there and it will be hell with overcrowding, not nice when you got 2 and 3 year olds, i honestly think this is unfair tbh.
 
Be unfair for us rich people to have to mix at all times with you paupers though.

We at least know when the poor, or scum as we refer to them, are on their breaks and are able to avoid.

It seems a system that has worked for many decades, I'm not sure it is a good thing that you sorts are allowed internet access and then imagine you have the right to freewill and freedom of speech.

Most unsettling as I said to the chaps at the Bullingdon Club the other day.

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But of insider info for you parents out there from teachers I know. If you are going to take your kids out of school in term time ring in sick. This way the leave goes down as authorised and therefore doesn't go against them when ofsted comes in. That is why so many schools take a hard line on this. Holiday leave go down as unauthorised and is a black mark against the school.
 
Wurzel - 11/7/2014 09:24

I would like to know more about the family's attendance record before passing judgment. It would have a massive bearing on the story.
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Ahhhh okay, lets focus on the individual and look for excuses for them to be in the wrong while we ignore the actual story.

Are you a journalist?

The REAL story is that if your child goes to a state school you will get fined and get a CRIMINAL record.

IF your child goes to a private school, you will not get fined or get a criminal record.

Do you not agree that is the real story?



 
The Fear - 11/7/2014 10:12

So it is a bit of a lazy article to suggest all kids at private schools are allowed term time off.
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The point is that there is no prosecution for them.


 
Right, with you.

No surprise though really, as the title suggests, we know the society we live in.

What amazes me is people still bow, scrape and subjugate themselves to the blue bloods and the rich.
 
Some might still view themselves as slaves, which in reality they are, stick on your slave collar, your lead and cuffs and off to work you go in your slave wear.

I don't feel that way.


 
Juan Mourep - 11/7/2014 13:29

The Fear - 11/7/2014 10:12

So it is a bit of a lazy article to suggest all kids at private schools are allowed term time off.
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The point is that there is no prosecution for them.
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It's not that simple. It's up to each School how to deal with these cases. Even within the State Schools you will find different attitudes towards it. My Niece's School, for example, allows a certain number of days each year.

All this story has done is take two extremes and tried to make something of it. In truth, you could also probably find two examples to show the opposite.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 11/7/2014 14:33

It's not that simple. It's up to each School how to deal with these cases.
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So the schools can override the law?

Again, it is against the LAW to take children out of state schools

It IS NOT against the LAW to take children out of private schools

Individual schools decisions do not come into it, we are talking about the law.

It IS black and white, it IS simple, it is one law for a state school and a different one for a private school, look it up! It's law, well it's actually a statute backed as a law, but that's a different argument.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it "you could also probably find two examples to show the opposite" Fine use of "could" and "probably" It would be interesting to see if you can find an example of a commonly acted upon law which favours the working man instead of the suits.



 
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