PhillyBlueMoon
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A former City player is possibly signing for Oldham after a rape conviction. This will serve as the thread for your thoughts on that. Be nice to each other.
Oldham Athletic - Thoughts
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Buzz Lightyear
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Due to the reaction that Evans imminent signature has had, it would appear that his football career is over, wether it is as a player or coach due to the fact that the media now has a grip on what this convicted rapist does.
His 5 year sentence to me, appears to be a lenient one for this sort of offence, although I am not familar with the case or the circumstances regarding the offence. hence the early release Evans has been able to get in accordance with Government rules in respect of offences, which could carry life imprisonment.
I aksed myself the question, If I was Chairman of a Football Club, would I employ him and the answer would be no.
Evans should now realise the futile search to resurrect his career and may have to move abroard or change his name to find gainful employment.
His 5 year sentence to me, appears to be a lenient one for this sort of offence, although I am not familar with the case or the circumstances regarding the offence. hence the early release Evans has been able to get in accordance with Government rules in respect of offences, which could carry life imprisonment.
I aksed myself the question, If I was Chairman of a Football Club, would I employ him and the answer would be no.
Evans should now realise the futile search to resurrect his career and may have to move abroard or change his name to find gainful employment.
fifthcolumnblue
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Forget Ched Evans, look at what Gordon Taylor had to say on the matter!
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Listen: PFA boss Gordon Taylor angers fans by comparing Ched Evans case to Hillsborough tragedy
The head of the Professional Footballers' Association has sparked fury by apparently comparing the situation of convicted rapist footballer Ched Evans with that of the Hillsborough tragedy.
Gordon Taylor, chief executive of the PFA, was speaking in an interview on Radio5 Live earlier tonight following the announcement that a deal for footballer Evans to move to League One Oldham had collapsed.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/listen-pfa-boss-gordon-taylor-8409728#ICID=sharebar_twitter
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Listen: PFA boss Gordon Taylor angers fans by comparing Ched Evans case to Hillsborough tragedy
The head of the Professional Footballers' Association has sparked fury by apparently comparing the situation of convicted rapist footballer Ched Evans with that of the Hillsborough tragedy.
Gordon Taylor, chief executive of the PFA, was speaking in an interview on Radio5 Live earlier tonight following the announcement that a deal for footballer Evans to move to League One Oldham had collapsed.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/listen-pfa-boss-gordon-taylor-8409728#ICID=sharebar_twitter
CITYBOY1000
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I don't know the full circumstances of the legal case so I don't like to pass judgment one way or the other.
From what I've heard it was a 'controversial' case where it was argued that the girl was very drunk and had no memory of going back with him. It was held, I believe, that her drunkenness constituted a lack of consent. She obviously awoke and wasn't happy being with him or about having had sex with him. He was convicted on that basis.
I don't know if he was accused of plying her with drink and hence being the cause of her drunkenness. There was also character evidence brought against him regarding his attitude towards women generally and based on a text message he sent which was disparaging to women generally and that worked against him when the jury had to fill in the gaps in knowledge about what had happened.
He's appealing and it could go either way. I don't have a view on the merits of his appeal either way.
There will be those who might feel he's suffering a great injustice and that he's being deprived of earning a living. They might feel sorry for him and be pre-disposed to balance his guilt against the fact that he's served his sentence and so he should be allowed to carry on with his trade.
However, he's obviously very wealthy, despite not having had much success at the game. His Alderley Edge home looks like it's worth a few million. He's been on £30K per week or more for the past 5 or 6 years. He's made a lot of money from football so he can't feel totally aggrieved and for a guy with very limited talent it isn't like he's been short-changed on his career.
If he was on his uppers with patches on his britches and holes in both his shoes and in his coat of many colours as he walked into school then I'd perhaps be persuaded to give him the benefit of the doubt. But he's far from that. I also think football is a spectator sport and the punters are the most important people. A good proportion of punters are women who feel naturally sensitive about the subject. A lot of men do as well. Footballers are paid very highly due to their appeal to the public at large but that should come with responsibilities. If you work in Law and are convicted of theft or fraud, it is a breach of trust and your career is ended with no come-back. If you work with children and are convicted of child abuse then the same applies. Football shouldn't be any different though admittedly theft or fraud shouldn't necessarily be the catalyst as footballers are generally from working class backgrounds and these offences wouldn't impct on the sensitivities of the punters at large.
All things considered and weighing one consideration against another and looking at the whole picture I think he shouldn't be given the benefit of any doubt (if there is any doubt). He shouldn't be allowed back. I think a line should now be drawn under his football career. It isn't like Goya or De Vinci are being told they can't paint or Michelangelo can't chisel anymore is it ? He has taken risks at the very least which have back-fired on him and so he's been the author of his own downfall.
Sorry Chad but 'au revoir' and enjoy your early retirement. Go back to school and learn a different trade if you feel a need to work.
From what I've heard it was a 'controversial' case where it was argued that the girl was very drunk and had no memory of going back with him. It was held, I believe, that her drunkenness constituted a lack of consent. She obviously awoke and wasn't happy being with him or about having had sex with him. He was convicted on that basis.
I don't know if he was accused of plying her with drink and hence being the cause of her drunkenness. There was also character evidence brought against him regarding his attitude towards women generally and based on a text message he sent which was disparaging to women generally and that worked against him when the jury had to fill in the gaps in knowledge about what had happened.
He's appealing and it could go either way. I don't have a view on the merits of his appeal either way.
There will be those who might feel he's suffering a great injustice and that he's being deprived of earning a living. They might feel sorry for him and be pre-disposed to balance his guilt against the fact that he's served his sentence and so he should be allowed to carry on with his trade.
However, he's obviously very wealthy, despite not having had much success at the game. His Alderley Edge home looks like it's worth a few million. He's been on £30K per week or more for the past 5 or 6 years. He's made a lot of money from football so he can't feel totally aggrieved and for a guy with very limited talent it isn't like he's been short-changed on his career.
If he was on his uppers with patches on his britches and holes in both his shoes and in his coat of many colours as he walked into school then I'd perhaps be persuaded to give him the benefit of the doubt. But he's far from that. I also think football is a spectator sport and the punters are the most important people. A good proportion of punters are women who feel naturally sensitive about the subject. A lot of men do as well. Footballers are paid very highly due to their appeal to the public at large but that should come with responsibilities. If you work in Law and are convicted of theft or fraud, it is a breach of trust and your career is ended with no come-back. If you work with children and are convicted of child abuse then the same applies. Football shouldn't be any different though admittedly theft or fraud shouldn't necessarily be the catalyst as footballers are generally from working class backgrounds and these offences wouldn't impct on the sensitivities of the punters at large.
All things considered and weighing one consideration against another and looking at the whole picture I think he shouldn't be given the benefit of any doubt (if there is any doubt). He shouldn't be allowed back. I think a line should now be drawn under his football career. It isn't like Goya or De Vinci are being told they can't paint or Michelangelo can't chisel anymore is it ? He has taken risks at the very least which have back-fired on him and so he's been the author of his own downfall.
Sorry Chad but 'au revoir' and enjoy your early retirement. Go back to school and learn a different trade if you feel a need to work.
Buzz Lightyear
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Brilliant post CB1K 
Yes, an excellent post.
I'd also add that footballers are huge role models to kids - really young kids, teenagers etc. That's an even bigger part of this picture in my opinion. How can any club even consider for 2 minutes the possibility of employing a convicted rapist? And if they do, shame on them.
(by the by, I have no opinion on whether Evans is guilty or not and my thoughts are strictly based on the fact that he is a convicted rapist)
I'd also add that footballers are huge role models to kids - really young kids, teenagers etc. That's an even bigger part of this picture in my opinion. How can any club even consider for 2 minutes the possibility of employing a convicted rapist? And if they do, shame on them.
(by the by, I have no opinion on whether Evans is guilty or not and my thoughts are strictly based on the fact that he is a convicted rapist)
Buzz Lightyear
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Exactly Ro, guilty
Buzz Lightyear
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I can only guess that whilst Evans has an appeal pending, then they may just be waiting the outcome before making a stance.
I agree what Evans has been sentenced for is repulsive, and wrong, but in professional Football we have convicted Murderer's/Manslaugheters? (If there is such a word) plying their trade and there was not the same outcry,
I think he should be allowed to earn a living and as he is now so well known he isn't going to get a job in a factory is he? So Football is what he is good at so why not let him play,
He was sentenced and done 2.5 years of that sentence and the parole board deem him safe and no threat,to be released,
he was Tried and convicted by 12 people of his peers, now he is being tried by Twitter is that right? I don't think so,
but if he gets his conviction quashed, then what? will the Twitter judges just say we were wrong but so what, no harm done!!!!!
I think he should be allowed to earn a living and as he is now so well known he isn't going to get a job in a factory is he? So Football is what he is good at so why not let him play,
He was sentenced and done 2.5 years of that sentence and the parole board deem him safe and no threat,to be released,
he was Tried and convicted by 12 people of his peers, now he is being tried by Twitter is that right? I don't think so,
but if he gets his conviction quashed, then what? will the Twitter judges just say we were wrong but so what, no harm done!!!!!
Murderers/Manslaughterers??? WTF, who?
Anyway, I totally disagree. As a footballer, you automatically and naturally become a role model for a generation of young fans. Not sure how I'd feel if I was an Oldham fan (for example), and my kid asked for Evans on the back of his football shirt. That'd be a bit awkward.
Just to be clear too. Twitter didn't try Ched Evans. Evans was convicted by jury. He then appealed to the criminal courts of appeal, that appeal was thrown out by a panel of 3 judges and he's now appealing it for a second time to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. Twitter is debating whether he should be allowed to play football in a professional capacity again. Seems like a fair debate.
And by the way, what if the conviction is upheld? No harm done? Will people still have difficulty in believing he raped the girl?
There is widespread support for this fella simply because he's fortunate enough to have enough money to garner public sympathy through the media. It's **cking sickening.
Anyway, I totally disagree. As a footballer, you automatically and naturally become a role model for a generation of young fans. Not sure how I'd feel if I was an Oldham fan (for example), and my kid asked for Evans on the back of his football shirt. That'd be a bit awkward.
Just to be clear too. Twitter didn't try Ched Evans. Evans was convicted by jury. He then appealed to the criminal courts of appeal, that appeal was thrown out by a panel of 3 judges and he's now appealing it for a second time to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. Twitter is debating whether he should be allowed to play football in a professional capacity again. Seems like a fair debate.
And by the way, what if the conviction is upheld? No harm done? Will people still have difficulty in believing he raped the girl?
There is widespread support for this fella simply because he's fortunate enough to have enough money to garner public sympathy through the media. It's **cking sickening.
The Football Association has admitted it was powerless to intervene in Evans' playing future.
But FA chairman Greg Dyke has hinted moves are now on the agenda to introduce a code of conduct or strict guidelines to be applied should similar cases arise in future in line with its review of public and private communications, as well as behaviour.
Evans would be unable to return to certain professions as a convicted rapist and this is where it appears the FA is now preparing to tighten up its own jurisdiction.
BBC Sports Editor Dan Roan says: "Ultimately, it should be for the FA to dictate what crimes - if any - prevent a footballer from resuming their careers after serving their time. The statement by FA Chairman Greg Dyke that rule changes may be forthcoming is a welcome admission that such a storm cannot be allowed to happen again.
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