OJ Simpson makes case for prison parole

mike_field

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Do you admire his balls or show sympathy for his stupidity?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40673824

"I've spent a conflict-free life," he continued, when asked if he had completed an anti-violence course.
Simpson also told the commissioners he had had helped establish a Baptist prayer event, adding: "I could have been a better Christian."

:3: a conflict free life.
 
Not surprised.

Bare faced cheek of it pisses me off, but from what I could tell he has been good as gold since inside so it was always likely he'd get out early.

Now the question is can he avoid going back!
 
hate this out for good behaviour whilst in the nick. You are meant to be on good behaviour!
 
Yes, I do not get early release on these kind of grounds.

If you are sent to prison for x years, you stay in prison for x years. Otherwise, why not send people for prison "for a bit" and have a look at things "after a while"?

It's a total nonsense.
 
In this country you get a hell of alot of time of your sentence with an early guilty plea as well. Designed to save the public expense and save victims being put through a trial which im sure is at the forefront of the defendants mind -not.
Bet people only plead guilty, not because of a sudden pang of conscience but because the evidence is so overwhelming that they haven't really got a choice. I reckon any criminal looking at a jail term would go to trial to get off if they had a chance.

 
In the UK even if guilty there's a truth to taking your chances with a jury.

The US system benefits those prepared to plead guilty even when innocent and they don't understand the consequences.
 
mike_field - 20/7/2017 22:22

In the UK even if guilty there's a truth to taking your chances with a jury.
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Especially if the defence can find a technical or procedural issue which allows them to cast doubt on the investigation.,
 
No, not even then. Just rely on the stupidity of some on the jury.

Jury I was on, room was convinced 'it' was guilty with no DNA evidence or anything like that. The other crime with DNA, we had 4 dissenters with a mix of 'maybe it looked in the window because it was broken and cut it's finger, down to Police had planted it'.

Was a long fucking day and I walked out with significantly less faith in my fellow human race even though eventually the right result was got to.

Never doubt the human capacity for idiocy.
 
Ah yes. The jury.

Through no fault of their own, have no understanding of law, scientific aspects of forensics, let alone the complications of major fraud cases.

Never done jury service but have wondered what discussions really go on in the jury room. What you have experienced confirms my concerns im relation to some peoples lack of understanding of the issues in a case. Mrs Melon got called but was not selected but said some that did were intent on getting it over with asap regardless of what they had to decide and really really didnt want to be there. Scary. Glad i aim never to be at the behest of a jury.

 
Jut amazed me (I was a lot younger at the point) but no problem coming with guilty with footprints and things, but the second DNA and blood evidence was introduced 'not guilty'.

Then as you say really complex cases, I know it goes against the spirit of the law but I understand why sometimes it's Judge led and in some cases we now have no jury - it would blow their mind and they'd be lost after introductions.

Preconceptions come into it hugely, so does sadly bullying as points get dealt with and frustrations overly flow and it can be less than pretty which carries it's own kind of irony given what you're there for in the first place.

All I say is whether guilty or not, if I'm in the dock, I'm hunting down the defence barrister I saw in action because he was suave, and brilliant and spun everything to create doubt. I the room had been split and not just four 'it' would've got away with it but judge went for majority verdict after a few hours.

It's a fascinating experience though and one (once I'd dealt with the stupidity of it all) I would've freely done for a job lol Because it is unique.

You get the chance mate, jump at it. You'll spend most nights pulling your hair out (if you have any) but it's an experience not to be missed in my humble because everything you're not supposed to do - that Hollywood has jurors doing - pretty much happens and it's fascinating seeing people say guilty after the first hour because of how somebody looks and then all the flip flopping as they tally their own PC world with things and deal with the idea of imprisoning somebody for real when it's no longer a game.

In the jury room even with copious notes, there's a lot of repetition and it is a game of beat the opposition down and if you have a fact they missed it helps, otherwise keep shouting until they give in.

No way is it justice as it's sold to the common man/woman, so I now get why so many get off with things yet others go down and get proven innocent later in the day but 'they' looked 'wrong'.

And yes most people want to be out of there as quick as possible and sadly the quickest way to do that is vote guilty.

For the record the four dissenters on the second charge after we'd already discussed 'it' being guilty on the first charge were the first four to say guilty for the second but they changed their minds when it was clear it would mean a double conviction and they couldn't stomach that.

Nothing to do with evidence, it was their personal tally they had trouble with, those arguing 'it' might be guilty of the first charge but not the second had no problem coming to a second guilty when we heard about the DNA evidence....but they held out flip flopping lol

Get the chance mate, take it, it's an eye opener.
 
Further to this country and jurors.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40686156

A juror has been discharged in a trial of an alleged terror cell for "jokingly" asking whether a police officer in the case was single. The judge said he was informed the female juror asked a court usher more than once to find out if the officer was single. Mr Justice Globe said he was given information that another juror had also said Det Sgt Ryan Chambers was attractive.

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Melon Donkey - 20/7/2017 22:26

mike_field - 20/7/2017 22:22

In the UK even if guilty there's a truth to taking your chances with a jury.
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Especially if the defence can find a technical or procedural issue which allows them to cast doubt on the investigation.,

Trouble is, it's not uncommon in this country to over-step the mark - see the Birmingham 6 or the Guildford 4 as high-profile examples of police procedural abuse.
 
Shocking as those events were. The policing of that era is a different world away thankfully.
Due to such events that the Police and Criminal Evidence Act came in.

I am sure that there are bad apples still in the police , as there would be in any organisation to be fair but i doubt the scale of corruption of the events you mention JPA could happen today such is the scrutiny of cases from the CPS to the defence before even getting anywhere near a trial.
 
Yep it's far from perfect still but improvements have been made on a wide variety of subjects when it comes to the police but those improvements need to continue to happen and dare I say the Government needs to fund them properly.

And yes the CPS continues to serve a role here as oversight in many ways but they could also be slightly more proactive in investigating cases that seem weak when presented to ensure there are no games afoot.
 
Honestly the justice system, some of these armed robbers get away with murder.