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LSB2 said:
The difference being, is that most people go to football with their families or mates. So when they go home, they could spread the virus to other family members or their many friends. Whereas people who go to the gym, will only take the virus back to their empty flat and there is an unlikely chance that they will pass the virus onto their cat... 😉
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But I haven't got a cat 😕
 
All constituency MPs affect an interest in their local football club and frequently embarrass themselves doing so. No partisanship, they are all capable of the same degree of bullshit to suck up to their electorates. It's free, they don't have to actually do anything and they can always say they did their best. If you want a pointless question at PMQs where your local MP advertises himself as much as your club fine but most of them don't care because it doesn't shift many votes long term.

A small number of MPs do care about their local club (probably) more Labour than tory. Trump style bravado from the backbenches is mere signalling and they know they will never have to back it up and can glory in their brave defeat by the risk averse snowlflakes. Let's hope Nobby's quote represents real government intention because I wouldn't gamble a matchstick on the career loudmouths.
 
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Bromley_GFC said:
Gyms are open and although less than football crowds, can still get a couple hundred people working out together at the same time.

I would of thought with sweat transmitting across gyms that's far more likely to spread covid than socially distanced football stadiums, in the more crowded areas leading to seats people can just wear masks.

Not everyone at gyms uses hand sanitiser, wipes down equipment yet they remain open why prevent football crowds just because a few might not play by the rules.
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Without wanting to sound like a boring prick the gym is pretty "safe", or I feel comfortable anyway.

I go to Third Space at More London and they could not be more strict.

You have to book a gym visit 2 days in advance so they know who is going to be there and they can then limit the number of people in the facility at the same time.

Masks on your way in/ out, temperature checks, sanitiser everywhere and some of the equipment removed to make more room.

I wipe down weights both before and after I use them and most of the other members do too.
 
Bromley_GFC said:
If there's one thing we have learnt from this pandemic it's not to trust a word this government says.

I wouldn't put my faith in Conservative politicians to save lower league football clubs, that's why I think bringing crowds back is so important. That way we don't have to rely on a government bail out (which I don't think will be substantial enough for alot of clubs to survive long term).

If Rishi Sunak is true to his word then fair play and I will be very grateful just not exactly counting my chickens...
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My faith in politicians is at an all time low. The only one I have a little faith in is Rishi. Let's see what happens.
 
Tarian said:
Why so partisan ?

Try watching some foreign news. Claiming other countries "do Covid better" is common elsewhere.
Everyone has been learning.

I wouldn't defend some of the bizarre contrasts in regulation/guidance - gyms vs, pubs vs football stadia vs nail bars etc, etc
6 strangers meeting is OK .... but 7 including the friends next door not !!!

But I blame civil servants. They just love designing rules while sitting behind a desk - i.e. little regard to the real world.
No wonder the inconsistencies.

Who has been leading calls for MPs to scrutinise Covid Regs ?
Backbench Conservatives.

No "faith in Conservative politicians to save lower league football clubs" ??
Did you see any of last week's Commons debate about fans returning to football ?
Plenty of Conservative MPs cited their local, non-league club - whether as part of the community, having prepared for Covid, local jobs dependant etc.

As for "save lower league football clubs", you say:
"I think bringing crowds back is so important."

So why not give credit to the (probably more) Conservative MPs who have been keener to return to "normal" than Labour MPs ?
Often, the latter seem to default to "too risky" .... until their constituents say otherwise !
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Good post. There are lots of people who have rubbed their hands at the Covid crisis to politicise it and make political gain. I can't believe how many people are desperate to blow smoke up the arse of other countries at how they've managed it better than "us" as it's their way of knocking the government (mainly as they have a political gripe over Brexit or other issues). I do not in any way claim that the government's handling of the Covid Crisis has been ideal, but we are one of many countries struggling and we'll need to fully investigate at the end what went right or wrong, but when thing that I urge no one to forget at the end (and this is increasingly being forgotten) that the biggest investigation and fall out at the end of this points towards China, not Boris, Trump, the UK, Italy, Spain or the US. I envisage, overall, China, after causing this, may well have done very well out of this.

Whilst I agree that some of the rules re Covid are inconsistent, a lot of blame has to go to the stupidity of individuals, who just don't seem to be able to act sensibly. A point in case, is the 10pm kicking out time. Maybe this is a bad idea from the government, but why does anyone need to be out at 10pm drinking and the congregating in the streets at that time during a pandemic? I heard Andy Burnham on the radio the other day saying that it was madness from the government to introduce this law as it meant people got kicked out of bars at 10pm and then all had to congregate in off licences and each others homes to continue the drinking. I am as big a pisshead as the next, but have felt no need to do this. I usually drink at home (now in groups of under 6) with friends and family and if I do go out it's for a meal or drink that is done well before this 10pm kick out and any continued drinking (and, yes, I've done it a few times during lockdown is with small groups at home). People need to man up and grow up.

As for a return to watching matches, we're all desperate for that, but I think it's pathetic to make out that it's a Tory v Labour thing. I'd say most MPs "back" but don't support their local teams - it was good to see the recent letter backing a return to matches, which both my current MP and the Gillingham MP signed (both Tories).

Up the Gills!
 
SE1_Gills said:
Without wanting to sound like a boring prick the gym is pretty "safe", or I feel comfortable anyway.

I go to Third Space at More London and they could not be more strict.

You have to book a gym visit 2 days in advance so they know who is going to be there and they can then limit the number of people in the facility at the same time.

Masks on your way in/ out, temperature checks, sanitiser everywhere and some of the equipment removed to make more room.

I wipe down weights both before and after I use them and most of the other members do too.
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Yep, similar to the gym I use, probably one if the safest places I go at the moment.
And I have no cat, and I'm happily married, and I have mates too 😁😁😁
 
SE1_Gills said:
Without wanting to sound like a boring prick the gym is pretty "safe", or I feel comfortable anyway.

I go to Third Space at More London and they could not be more strict.

You have to book a gym visit 2 days in advance so they know who is going to be there and they can then limit the number of people in the facility at the same time.

Masks on your way in/ out, temperature checks, sanitiser everywhere and some of the equipment removed to make more room.

I wipe down weights both before and after I use them and most of the other members do too.
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Second that. I train daily at the gym. In all that time, I’ve not come within 2m if anyone else. People are being really considerate. Everyone is wiping down equipment and weights. Staff are constantly cleaning. Sanitizers everywhere. Some toilets and lockers taken out of use to promote social distancing. Spotters have to wear masks. Contactless entry via QR code...
 
Gills 58 said:
Answer? Because of who we vote into power. No wonder we are treated with contempt.

Fair point re the Albert Hall. I was thinking the same.

Ps. With regard to Chisti, he is one of the Tories who seems to have a moral compass, having opposed the Government's disgraceful attempt to make one of our citizens stateless (however guilty she may be) and resigning his post over them proposing to break an international treaty that they have just signed.
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Ahem... former Labour Party activist Rehman Chishti switched parties after failing to oust Paul Clark as candidate for parliament. He has history on resigning too having been the 7th minister in a day to resign from Theresa May's government over the Brexit Withdrawal Bill. On that occasion he was clearly following the current towards a Johnson government and also gave a second reason for his resignation declaring himself:

" Very disappointed by lack of leadership shown by UK Gov to do morally right thing in Asia Bibi Case. "

Our MP has a very carefully calibrated moral compass, which delivers benefits to his own career and multiple photo ops and column inches. That compass guided him to accept Saudi money too.
 
jogills said:
Ahem... former Labour Party activist Rehman Chishti switched parties after failing to oust Paul Clark as candidate for parliament. He has history on resigning too having been the 7th minister in a day to resign from Theresa May's government over the Brexit Withdrawal Bill. On that occasion he was clearly following the current towards a Johnson government and also gave a second reason for his resignation declaring himself:

" Very disappointed by lack of leadership shown by UK Gov to do morally right thing in Asia Bibi Case. "

Our MP has a very carefully calibrated moral compass, which delivers benefits to his own career and multiple photo ops and column inches. That compass guided him to accept Saudi money too.
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His ranking out of the 650 MPs is in the low 600s too. Maybe his tireless Gills pr gets him the huge majorities come election time?
 
jogills said:
Ahem... former Labour Party activist Rehman Chishti switched parties after failing to oust Paul Clark as candidate for parliament. He has history on resigning too having been the 7th minister in a day to resign from Theresa May's government over the Brexit Withdrawal Bill. On that occasion he was clearly following the current towards a Johnson government and also gave a second reason for his resignation declaring himself:

" Very disappointed by lack of leadership shown by UK Gov to do morally right thing in Asia Bibi Case. "

Our MP has a very carefully calibrated moral compass, which delivers benefits to his own career and multiple photo ops and column inches. That compass guided him to accept Saudi money too.
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Not living locally I bow to your superior knowledge. I do however struggle to see how his support of Begum's right to remain a British citizen gained him any brownie points in the Tory party or press for that matter. Is he planning on re-joining Labour?

Nerd fact. My best mate's dad, a lifelong socialist, taught him A-level History and was disappointed to see him become a Tory MP to put it mildly.
 
Gills 58 said:
Not living locally I bow to your superior knowledge. I do however struggle to see how his support of Begum's right to remain a British citizen gained him any brownie points in the Tory party or press for that matter. Is he planning on re-joining Labour?

Nerd fact. My best mate's dad, a lifelong socialist, taught him A-level History and was disappointed to see him become a Tory MP to put it mildly.
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There are worse MPs but he's a classic opportunist. Looking to leave the sinking ship of May's government he resigned over the Withdrawal Agreement, which was essential positioning. He then tacked on the Begum issue as an after thought because he was also resigning his position as special envoy for religion. He has sucked up to the religous vote assiduosly from the start and voted against equal marriage amongst other things. I can barely move without seeing him in front of a camera and, the picture once taken, he's off to the next opportunity.
 
SteveTreacle said:
Good post. There are lots of people who have rubbed their hands at the Covid crisis to politicise it and make political gain. I can't believe how many people are desperate to blow smoke up the arse of other countries at how they've managed it better than "us" as it's their way of knocking the government (mainly as they have a political gripe over Brexit or other issues). I do not in any way claim that the government's handling of the Covid Crisis has been ideal, but we are one of many countries struggling and we'll need to fully investigate at the end what went right or wrong, but when thing that I urge no one to forget at the end (and this is increasingly being forgotten) that the biggest investigation and fall out at the end of this points towards China, not Boris, Trump, the UK, Italy, Spain or the US. I envisage, overall, China, after causing this, may well have done very well out of this.

Whilst I agree that some of the rules re Covid are inconsistent, a lot of blame has to go to the stupidity of individuals, who just don't seem to be able to act sensibly. A point in case, is the 10pm kicking out time. Maybe this is a bad idea from the government, but why does anyone need to be out at 10pm drinking and the congregating in the streets at that time during a pandemic? I heard Andy Burnham on the radio the other day saying that it was madness from the government to introduce this law as it meant people got kicked out of bars at 10pm and then all had to congregate in off licences and each others homes to continue the drinking. I am as big a pisshead as the next, but have felt no need to do this. I usually drink at home (now in groups of under 6) with friends and family and if I do go out it's for a meal or drink that is done well before this 10pm kick out and any continued drinking (and, yes, I've done it a few times during lockdown is with small groups at home). People need to man up and grow up.

As for a return to watching matches, we're all desperate for that, but I think it's pathetic to make out that it's a Tory v Labour thing. I'd say most MPs "back" but don't support their local teams - it was good to see the recent letter backing a return to matches, which both my current MP and the Gillingham MP signed (both Tories).

Up the Gills!
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Glad to see that you wouldn't have dreamt of criticising Corbyn if he'd handled it in the same way. Had a good laugh at your first paragraph. Thanks.

(Ps. I'm not bigging up Corbyn as he couldn't run a bath, let alone a country but I suggest he would have been less inept than this bag of wind we have as PM).
 
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