No global warming
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HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
Could people that don't understand the science stop publishing this crap?
Global warming is still happening, and this sort of tripe really does not help.
Global warming is still happening, and this sort of tripe really does not help.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
O.K Heath: Can you send us to something that says otherwise please?. I am not disbelieving you. I have just always thought that alot of people and brands have jumped on the band wagon of this to make alot of money and made it bigger than what it is.
I am not saying that the way the world is today and any global warming isn't helped by humans. I think what there was/is has been accelerated by humans. However the earth age has gone through many ages of various states, such as the ice age so I perhaps have been quite cynical about it all
I am not saying that the way the world is today and any global warming isn't helped by humans. I think what there was/is has been accelerated by humans. However the earth age has gone through many ages of various states, such as the ice age so I perhaps have been quite cynical about it all
HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
I'll break this down into a few points
1. If you believe that a subject as complex as global warming can be broken down into one figure measuring surface temperature, then there really is no hope. There are so many factors that in the short term can hide the ongoing trend, and 19 years is such a short period.
2. yes - the planet has had massive climate swings over it's lifespan, but it is proven that we are accelerating it.
3. CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been proven to affect the underlying climate since 1896, and we are pushing more and more of it out.
4. Take a look at Ocean temperatures, not land. The figures are worrying.
5. The term "Global Warming" is in itself misleading, as it will result in an Ice Age.
Read the Scientific papers, not this ill informed rubbish. It takes a little more work on your behalf, but it is worth it if you truly want to understand it.
1. If you believe that a subject as complex as global warming can be broken down into one figure measuring surface temperature, then there really is no hope. There are so many factors that in the short term can hide the ongoing trend, and 19 years is such a short period.
2. yes - the planet has had massive climate swings over it's lifespan, but it is proven that we are accelerating it.
3. CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been proven to affect the underlying climate since 1896, and we are pushing more and more of it out.
4. Take a look at Ocean temperatures, not land. The figures are worrying.
5. The term "Global Warming" is in itself misleading, as it will result in an Ice Age.
Read the Scientific papers, not this ill informed rubbish. It takes a little more work on your behalf, but it is worth it if you truly want to understand it.
mike_field
Vital Football Legend
The biggest problem is climate change and global warming are in themselves misleading.
There's natural climate change, correlation of man made climate change, allied by the natural pro and anti camps kicking out studies justifying their own funding and far more than I'll ever know.
Don't think it's something that anybody should get wound up about though, IF fossil fuel burning is having a categorical effect then us saving a few plastic bags in the UK ain't going to make naff all difference when you look at emerging economies using technology we are trying to abandon.
Then it spans into the natural cycle, but then the effects of peat farms being destroyed, trees when it comes to carbon dioxide etc.
It's probably the one true subject we'll ever know enough about because our measurements can only go back so far and the measurements past that that we can get take so long to get in terms of them being classed as reliable, plus there are more tangents to the 'climate' than we have in match threads and so many different facets that need to be focused on and mastered before the various sum of the parts can actually be pulled together to give a big picture that's reliable.
20-30 years of heavily investing in this and more models still go wrong than right - we'll never know in our lifetimes ultimately.
There's natural climate change, correlation of man made climate change, allied by the natural pro and anti camps kicking out studies justifying their own funding and far more than I'll ever know.
Don't think it's something that anybody should get wound up about though, IF fossil fuel burning is having a categorical effect then us saving a few plastic bags in the UK ain't going to make naff all difference when you look at emerging economies using technology we are trying to abandon.
Then it spans into the natural cycle, but then the effects of peat farms being destroyed, trees when it comes to carbon dioxide etc.
It's probably the one true subject we'll ever know enough about because our measurements can only go back so far and the measurements past that that we can get take so long to get in terms of them being classed as reliable, plus there are more tangents to the 'climate' than we have in match threads and so many different facets that need to be focused on and mastered before the various sum of the parts can actually be pulled together to give a big picture that's reliable.
20-30 years of heavily investing in this and more models still go wrong than right - we'll never know in our lifetimes ultimately.
HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
Good answer Mike. I totally agree. I make token efforts like recycling and buying a more efficient car, but ultimately there is nothing we can do to change the ultimate outcome. It's far too late to change things now.
It's just the Scientist in me looking for the correct information to be given out. The problem with the internet is that some muppet can post that graph on his site and people will believe it. I prefer to look further, and make my own mind up, but you and I both know that the majority will not.
It's just the Scientist in me looking for the correct information to be given out. The problem with the internet is that some muppet can post that graph on his site and people will believe it. I prefer to look further, and make my own mind up, but you and I both know that the majority will not.
The Fear
A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
Think that is one of the points, the name global warming, then people say it doesn't exist because the winters are getting colder.
I do agree that it would be nice if non scientists would stop producing garbage, one minute we are all doomed, the next it doesn't exist, anything to fill space.
The weather has got more extreme in my ever so humble, I also understand there have always been cycles but you watch some of the better programmes on it and see the massive shift in the ice caps etc. For our pollution and destruction not to have caused some shift is beyond comprehension to me, of course we are unbalancing things.
There was a fascinating one on polar bears about a year ago, the change in the environment there was shocking.
However, how big our impact, as Mike says, is very hard to measure obviously.
I do agree that it would be nice if non scientists would stop producing garbage, one minute we are all doomed, the next it doesn't exist, anything to fill space.
The weather has got more extreme in my ever so humble, I also understand there have always been cycles but you watch some of the better programmes on it and see the massive shift in the ice caps etc. For our pollution and destruction not to have caused some shift is beyond comprehension to me, of course we are unbalancing things.
There was a fascinating one on polar bears about a year ago, the change in the environment there was shocking.
However, how big our impact, as Mike says, is very hard to measure obviously.
Bikini Inspector
Vital Football Hero
In the long run the global warmists win this argument. One day the sun will burn up the earth and the universe won't care. It will be as if the human race never existed.
Recorded levels of CO2ppm in the atmosphere:
www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/history.html
Recorded average mean temperatures on land:
www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/history.html
Some theories why surface temperature is remaining constant:
dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.345.6199.860
Good book on the whole sustainable energy, partly driven by climate change is 'Sustainable Energy- Without the Hot Air'. Free to download.
www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/history.html
Recorded average mean temperatures on land:
www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/history.html
Some theories why surface temperature is remaining constant:
dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.345.6199.860
Good book on the whole sustainable energy, partly driven by climate change is 'Sustainable Energy- Without the Hot Air'. Free to download.
HeathfieldRoad1874
Miserable Sod
LOL. I'm not sure they will see that ultimate fate as winning anything!!!! Your statement is indeed true, and part of me thinks it would be better happening sooner rather than later.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
That is why I posted it, after seeing it on Facebook posted by a bud, to get others thoughts on it. It's always been a contentious issue. Granted I haven't looked into it anywhere near the scale you have, however I am not daft enough to think that it is not more than just the surface. I just don't think it is in the way it is put over, for sensationalist headlines and money making
thefacehead
Vital Football Hero
I think the longer time goes on the less I can be denied. Records seem to be broken with unprecedented regularity, only last month was it the driest September since records began.
Also, rainforests are responsible for entire climates, not just on their continents but they affect weather systems worldwide, chopping down such vast amounts of it will have a lasting effect, it really isn't rocket science.
Also, rainforests are responsible for entire climates, not just on their continents but they affect weather systems worldwide, chopping down such vast amounts of it will have a lasting effect, it really isn't rocket science.
mike_field
Vital Football Legend
When you've only been keeping records for a couple of hundred years at best it's easy to break them to be fair.
I think the only current truth we can take is....
The planet does as the planet wants. We are overdue an ice age again based on what we can tell at best.
There is an end point.
There is also a shift point.
If man is contributing to making that shift point 5% quicker we are effectively just accelerating what will happen anyway.
If that is true, we are doing it for our great, great et al grand children and not us because despite the scaremongering of 2012, 2015, 2050 etc (as it was when I was at school and they couldn't make their minds up when they were spewing scaremongering stories to get funding) it's still thousands of years off.
But it's going to happen anyway, because it always has.
If you care, you have to hope that whatever % we've speeded it up by, in the future technology and knowledge will help us rebalance but that ain't going to happen with plastic bags, an anti coal thought and so on or the US setting targets they can't possibly reach themselves with their materialistic bullshit let alone China and others just getting themselves 'life wise' to where we were in terms of fossil fuels in the 1920's.
So do what you can, stop believing the scaremongering because chances are a fuck off asteroid will end us before then and even if it doesn't, it's going to happen anyway so let's try and delay it, but maybe let's not use it as an excuse for tax first?
Would this not be the right point to point out a lot of our recyling goes abroad now after our efforts where they just burn it like we used to lol But we feel better about that don't we, because pollution goes straight up and isn't affected by wind...but as long as we have targets to hit eh.
It's a tax con fullstop.
And it makes a joke of what could be, but if it's going to happen anyway, and not in your lifetime, why care?
I think the only current truth we can take is....
The planet does as the planet wants. We are overdue an ice age again based on what we can tell at best.
There is an end point.
There is also a shift point.
If man is contributing to making that shift point 5% quicker we are effectively just accelerating what will happen anyway.
If that is true, we are doing it for our great, great et al grand children and not us because despite the scaremongering of 2012, 2015, 2050 etc (as it was when I was at school and they couldn't make their minds up when they were spewing scaremongering stories to get funding) it's still thousands of years off.
But it's going to happen anyway, because it always has.
If you care, you have to hope that whatever % we've speeded it up by, in the future technology and knowledge will help us rebalance but that ain't going to happen with plastic bags, an anti coal thought and so on or the US setting targets they can't possibly reach themselves with their materialistic bullshit let alone China and others just getting themselves 'life wise' to where we were in terms of fossil fuels in the 1920's.
So do what you can, stop believing the scaremongering because chances are a fuck off asteroid will end us before then and even if it doesn't, it's going to happen anyway so let's try and delay it, but maybe let's not use it as an excuse for tax first?
Would this not be the right point to point out a lot of our recyling goes abroad now after our efforts where they just burn it like we used to lol But we feel better about that don't we, because pollution goes straight up and isn't affected by wind...but as long as we have targets to hit eh.
It's a tax con fullstop.
And it makes a joke of what could be, but if it's going to happen anyway, and not in your lifetime, why care?
G
Guest
Guest
The thing that get's forgotten i find is that a while back when Japan had that magbitude 9 earthquake the Earth was reported to have shifted ever so slightly on it's side which was said to contribute to temperature changes and more unpredictable weather, so these things can happen even if we behave and burn no fossil fuels anyway lol
mike_field
Vital Football Legend
That was blamed on French nuclear testing mate which is another side of the story.
How many Nukes offset a plastic bag? lol
At least with the French we know they'd set a bomb and then run lol
ps it was New Zealand waters for the French when we reigsterd a shift of axis.
The Japanese probably just created an app to do the same. :17:
How many Nukes offset a plastic bag? lol
At least with the French we know they'd set a bomb and then run lol
ps it was New Zealand waters for the French when we reigsterd a shift of axis.
The Japanese probably just created an app to do the same. :17:
mike_field
Vital Football Legend
Racist.
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Clubpaver
Vital 1st Team Regular
You`re right Mike.
I`ll amend that statement to :
I thought that earthquake was caused by 17 million fanatical would-be season ticket holders at Old Trafford who reside in an Eastern country,but all have a picture of the theatre of dreams on their bedroom walls and all wuv wooey and wiggsy,(take a breath)jumping up and down when Manwoo scored a goal.
Better ?
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I`ll amend that statement to :
I thought that earthquake was caused by 17 million fanatical would-be season ticket holders at Old Trafford who reside in an Eastern country,but all have a picture of the theatre of dreams on their bedroom walls and all wuv wooey and wiggsy,(take a breath)jumping up and down when Manwoo scored a goal.
Better ?
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