No Brexit is better than a bad Brexit...

I wonder how many people who enthusiastically agree to the statement also believe there is no such thing as a good Brexit.
 
There is such a thing as a good Brexit but it depends on European bureaucrats and politicians not shooting themselves in the foot by short-sightedly protecting their club at all costs regardless of the consequences for the economic good of their peoples.
 
Straightbat said:
There is such a thing as a good Brexit but it depends on European bureaucrats and politicians not shooting themselves in the foot by short-sightedly protecting their club at all costs regardless of the consequences for the economic good of their peoples.
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= we’re well and truly fucked.
 
To be honest, I'm sick to death of the whole mess.
The vote was to leave, so just get on and do it.
If the anti democratic movement that is trying to derail the decision wants to immediately start lobbying to re-join the EU, then that's fine by me.
That is how democracy should work.

Maybe it will be a disaster, maybe it will be the best thing that has happened in years. No one really knows.
The current EU set up is in obvious crisis and the last thing that they need is extra aggro from the dithering UK.
Merkel could easily be gone by next week, which leaves Macron very isolated.
 
The whole Brexit thing has persuaded me even more that the UK is not as democratic as i would like it to be.
 
Straightbat said:
There is such a thing as a good Brexit but it depends on European bureaucrats and politicians not shooting themselves in the foot by short-sightedly protecting their club at all costs regardless of the consequences for the economic good of their peoples.
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That is true up to a point but the EU is not a country; the UK is. We may have an overall trade deficit with the EU but all our eggs are in one basket [well at least half our eggs] but the EU trade with the UK is spread over 20 odd countries; so, none would suffer as much as the UK in case of a no deal or bad deal. It's the UK that voted to leave the EU; so, why should the EU bend over backwards to help us? I was talking to a bloke the other day who said we have the fifth largest economy in the world so why do we need the EU. I mentioned that he might just have missed the point that it's because of Europe we have such a strong economy.
 
I just but only just decided to vote leave,now after 2 bloody years of non stop crap,I am very happy with my decision,yes I’m retired now,and beleive me we go to regular old tits groups,and nearly everybody who voted to stay in want out.
As shotshy says,may be a total cock up,or best thing since sliced bread,I’m happy to risk it,and before anybody says it’s all old gits what about younger generation,all the ones I know want out now as well.
I’m just pissed off with May and her dithering about,grow a pair May.and tell Barnier Junker Tusk to screw each other
 
Well, if it is no deal and heavy tariffs are introduced at least we get the third lane of our motorways back doe to the reduction in German cars.
;)
 
May is being hampered in the negotiations by those who wish to destroy the democratic process, please vote and if we agree you'll get what you want.
 
Ian08040, I am sure that people in Broughton, Swindon, Sunderland, and Ellesmere Port etc will welcome your willingness to gamble with their futures now that they know what's at stake.
 
The Germans love selling Mercs and BMWs here because we pay through the nose for them. Sur le continent, price wise they're on a par with equivalent Peugeots and Fords models etc.
 
Therealwaldo said:
Ian08040, I am sure that people in Broughton, Swindon, Sunderland, and Ellesmere Port etc will welcome your willingness to gamble with their futures now that they know what's at stake.
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Sunderland voted about 61% in favour of Brexit.
Swindon voted about 54% in favour of Brexit.
Not sure the result for Broughton but their local Labour MP is a leaver.
Ellesmere Port was about 51% in favour of Brexit.

Bit harsh to blame Ian for any negatives that impact those places post Brexit.
 
Why is it that individual negotiations cannot begin once the Brexit date has passed? i.e. once we are out - with or without a deal.
All this 'hard Brexit' or 'soft Brexit' or 'no deal will be a disaster' is all a load of old borax to me.
Much the same as you cannot go into negotiations by telling the world (which is what Labour wanted the Tories to do) what you want to end up with, nor can you enter negotiations saying 'At the end of the negotiations we must have a deal'. It is all this that has made negotiations almost impossible, because it has given the EU negotiators so much more bargaining power than they would have originally.
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
Sunderland voted about 61% in favour of Brexit.
Swindon voted about 54% in favour of Brexit.
Not sure the result for Broughton but their local Labour MP is a leaver.
Ellesmere Port was about 51% in favour of Brexit.

Bit harsh to blame Ian for any negatives that impact those places post Brexit.
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Because no one actully knew or could have known the actual implications of what they were voting for - its going to be a painful ride
 
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