hindleymonwafc
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TB, tell him. He's pissing on me chips just as I was peeping above the parapet
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TB, tell him. He's pissing on me chips just as I was peeping above the parapet
Made in Wigan
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Far less than under socialism. Though I suppose if everyone is equally as poor then you can reset the bar and say there’s none whilst living in absolute misery.
Hampton
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Can we offer a buy 2 get 1 free deal to get Massey off the books ?
Even at that it would be more value than the admins got
Martinez1986
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Nottingham
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There is for sure however it's a lot less than under the socialist alternative
Think globally, and you may not be so sure about that. By the time the Tories have finished dismantling workers' rights legislation, poverty will be back to VIctorian levels.
Hampton
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Which would still be way higher than the vast majority of socialist states - Venezuela anyone ?
That was the summer, right before the opening game of the season. We'd already broken our transfer record to sign his replacement (Camera) before green lighting his sale. Good business from Uncle Dave on and off the pitch.
Nottingham
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We don't really get to hear of the poverty that exists in countries like the US
Because real/old school poverty in the USA and UK rarely exists.
The new age poverty of someone being poor because they have an iphone 8 and not the new 12 is alive and well (I believe its officially defined in the UK as being under 60% of the median income). From my understanding of poverty, in the Victorian days, people were worried about eating and a place to live, now a days more poor people than none poor people are overweight and obese. First world problems!
The same can be said for the club, previously we were going out of existence and putting money into buckets, which was used to pay players / keep things running. This time round we've had 850k sitting there that wasn't needed.
king_dezeeuw06
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I am uncomfortable with the fact throughout the process the SC and Nandy seemed to lack enthusiasm for the Spanish bid. That seemed most obvious when both seemed to have no interest in them fixing the bid after Jose failed the EFL test despite admin saying they were going to. They clearly aren't willing or able to tell us the specifics but i don't believe they'd have been like that unless there was something to be genuinely concerned about. Personally that continues to give me an uneasy feeling but without knowing what the details are it's difficult to say much more.
The flip side is the EFL have appeared to do a very thorough job in vetting the bid which as painfully drawn out as it has been i am glad about. Clilverd has been success in sports marketing and Moreno successfully part of running Leganes and tried to buy us before Choi - so you'd like to think they are coming in with their eyes open and willing to invest appropriately. They were also the only ones to offer the deposit, even when they were struggling and needed 3 extensions the other bidders never seemed to really push hard. So while we can say maybe someone else would be better the rival bidders had plenty of opportunities to push the Spanish out and for whatever reason didn't.
I dont think it's necessary that everyone parks any skeptism and says they are going to be great but neither should we assume the worst and jump to conclusions that it's going to end up another Choi. We all want the best for the club and we just need to see how it goes and judge them on what they do.
After what we've endured - no players, no manager, transfer bans, giving away top players etc things have been rock bottom and hopefully getting the deal done now gives us a chance to get new manager in before the window opens and get our players lined up and brought in asap. It can surely only improve from here.
Whatever we may think, it's worth remembering you have to be a bit mental to want to buy a club like us in our position at this time (market collapsed, global financial crisis, no crowds etc) so we are lucky anyone was willing and able to buy us. They're likely going to be losing a lot of money for a number of years before they have a prayer of making a return on investment and a number of other clubs in similar situations weren't able to get anyone in. So got to be grateful we appear to be on the verge of surviving.
The flip side is the EFL have appeared to do a very thorough job in vetting the bid which as painfully drawn out as it has been i am glad about. Clilverd has been success in sports marketing and Moreno successfully part of running Leganes and tried to buy us before Choi - so you'd like to think they are coming in with their eyes open and willing to invest appropriately. They were also the only ones to offer the deposit, even when they were struggling and needed 3 extensions the other bidders never seemed to really push hard. So while we can say maybe someone else would be better the rival bidders had plenty of opportunities to push the Spanish out and for whatever reason didn't.
I dont think it's necessary that everyone parks any skeptism and says they are going to be great but neither should we assume the worst and jump to conclusions that it's going to end up another Choi. We all want the best for the club and we just need to see how it goes and judge them on what they do.
After what we've endured - no players, no manager, transfer bans, giving away top players etc things have been rock bottom and hopefully getting the deal done now gives us a chance to get new manager in before the window opens and get our players lined up and brought in asap. It can surely only improve from here.
Whatever we may think, it's worth remembering you have to be a bit mental to want to buy a club like us in our position at this time (market collapsed, global financial crisis, no crowds etc) so we are lucky anyone was willing and able to buy us. They're likely going to be losing a lot of money for a number of years before they have a prayer of making a return on investment and a number of other clubs in similar situations weren't able to get anyone in. So got to be grateful we appear to be on the verge of surviving.
Nottingham
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It's called relative poverty versus absolute poverty. Relative poverty should not be underestimated. It leads to inequality. Inequality leads too social unrest. As you say, inequality can be seen in football as well as the wider world.
Nottingham
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Zimbabwe anyone?
moonay
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I just accused Richy of being a little naive, but I think you've trumped him with this one.
That said, I suppose it depends on how many thousands, even hundreds of thousands, you'd equate as being "rarely", in addition to what you consider "real" poverty..........and comparing things to olde world England is hardly objective.
Then again, maybe over here, it's not as bad as it might be given the aid from the welfare state.
Depends which type of inequality, inequality of opportunity isn't good, inequality of outcome is required, in my opinion, for a healthy society.
Also "leads" to sounds like there are no other factors involved and is the sole reason, which i dont believe it is, but it likely is a factor. Generally in this country and the USA anyone should be able to get out of relative poverty based on good decisions and hard work (there is no longer debtors prisons for the bankrupt, social benefits, strong infrastructure of charities).
At this stage with the experience the owner is bringing in I'd trust their judgement over the SC and Nandy. I'd rather put trust into someone who has got it right once than a politician and a group of people that have been put in a position of trust and completely failed to live up to their own manifesto.
As of right now we would appear to be in a hugely positive situation, possibly more so than at any time since we were sold to Choi (on the ownership front).
Nottingham
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I agree with your equality of opportunity idea...or equity. This what we are really short of in football as in the wider world.
hindleymonwafc
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T minus 4 hours, and counting. I'm out though, sleep tight.
So you are agreeing with me that old school poverty no longer exists and that with the welfare and social structures setup now its unlikely many people would ever get to that stage, yet you believe me to be naive in thinking this.
Poverty is defined as "the state of being poor" and poor as "having very little money; not having enough money for basic needs". For me basic needs are enough food to sustain yourself and shelter.
I'd disagree in both, opportunity seems to be there and for everyone and anyone, its just about the hard work to get what you want. If it wasnt a lad from Bradford wouldn't have become a millionaire and a team from Wigan wouldn't have got to the premier league / won the FA Cup.
springy-park
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How much are the Spanish funding the Club each month,
if their bid fails, how do they recoup this money?
if their bid fails, how do they recoup this money?
king_dezeeuw06
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We don't know all the details Nandy and the SC know and remember Jonathan Jackson has been helping them who knows his stuff. I don't think it's wise to dismiss any concerns they have out of hand as poor judgement.
Likely they'll be paying the money to the admin, who are putting money into the club.
If the bid fails its likely the admin are liable to the Spanish and the club is liable to the admin.
I agree, we shouldn't trust anyone fully. The fact "we dont know" is applied to the SC is the reason I have little trust in them, especially based on their Limited company documents defining how they will run. Jackson was part of the previous running of the club, I've no doubt he's provided some useful information to the SC and provided the admin with some helpful actions and info to keep the club going during the admin. On Nandy I'd trust Moonay more.
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