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NEW THREAD FOR ALL THINGS TAKEOVER

Not doubting that there may be issues with the Spanish bid, KDZ, but as others have said why not come right out and say it.

The EFL have requested further information but not said there is a problem. The SC have said that they were unable to take the opportunity of joining the bid but said it was due to the timing and have said nothing since. Nandy and the council have both made it obvious they would prefer a local bid but neither have said that they have a problem with the Spanish.

They are all being obtuse and no one is saying there is a problem, so maybe they are all just being cautious or following their own agendas.
I agree everyone's is refusing to call out the elephant in the room - there will be a reason (possibly legal would be my guess). But there is clearly something not right.
 

moonay

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The EFL now seem to have got everything they asked for.
The SC simply didn't want
a) to take up the Spanish offer of a 4% stake, and
b) to have the SC money assumed to be part of the Spanish bid.
The Council now seem to have reached an agreement.
Bob was happy to speak to the Spaniards, but didn't want his "involvement" to be misrepresented.

I'm not sure if there are demons lurking somewhere in the future (or an elephant for that matter), but it seems that we will this week have our new owners (complete with their admirable track record) confirmed, and hopefully in place by the end of the month.

Y viva Espana .....................
 

Hampton

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I agree everyone's is refusing to call out the elephant in the room - there will be a reason (possibly legal would be my guess). But there is clearly something not right.
If there is an elephant the of course it should be called out - unfortunately it's the EFL we are beholden to around said elephant if indeed dumbo exists.
Right now the ball is entirely in their court so everyone (Nandy, the council, the local Rag and the SC) should be massively pressurising the EFL who promised "to do everything to support our club" to make good, for once, on that commitment and end this awful uncertainty one way or another.
 

walgarthjohn

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And Maybee the Spanish have told the council and the rugby a few home truths and they don’t like it. As for the supporters club wish I hadn’t donated. Any thing now. As not being told any thing only the chosen few
 

moonay

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As for the supporters club wish I hadn’t donated. Any thing now. As not being told any thing only the chosen few
The donations were (in part at least) in case of a "last resort".......which thankfully, hasn't occurred. If a reasonable opportunity arises to get a stake on the board for the SC, then I'm not sure if they thin they have a mandate to decide on that by themselves, or if they feel they'll need to put it to a vote ................... but then, would it be a vote of the SC (which doesn't cover all those who donated), or would it be a vote of all those who donated .......some of whom are nowt to do with WAFC, and even those who are WAFC fans, some aren't necessarily members of the SC. (The question was rhetorical by the way .........and I don't know the answer, though I do have a view).

I'm not sure what the SC could have told us that hasn't already been put out there by Kendrick etc. As for "the chosen few" being told John, again, ( I won't make the same joke), I'm not really sure who you mean.

Unless, of course ............................. it's the Dooleys ........................

 
The fact the EFL, Supporters Club, Nandy and the council all seem to have issues with them. If the Spanish were that good the deal would've been done by now with the SC and EFL passed them.

All parties are desperate for the deal to go through but despite that all 4 previously mentioned parties seem to be reluctant to endorse the deal. If it was just one of them but other 3 gave them the thumbs up then id say it was arguable the odd one out was being difficult but all 4 not being keen sets alarm bells ringing to me. Add to Krasner saying 'I'm not a moralist' in relation to accepting their bid and Martinez seeming keen to state he isn't vouching for them it feels like no one it outright willing to say it but it appears from their actions no one thinks this is a good deal for the club - considering we are in admin that is even more concerning. They aren't going to all be like that if they thought this deal was great.
King sticks out like sore thumb but you wont admit it you i believe are one that wanted pollard in control if you take out sc from those four keep talking about then the three you talk of are the click that wanted wurriors to own the stadium
I personally do not argue with uour choice you are also a wurriors fan but if you dont like the spanish in charge then why dont you just stick to rugby
And let the rest of us who are ok with the spanish move forward into new era
And history of the latics
Instead of moaning about the potential new owners like you continually do
 

Hampton

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Wigan Council deserve only 2 fingers for their lack of support during this shambles never mind a trip round Willy Wonka's gaff
Here's my original post Morris - feel free to point out any ref to Nandy 🤔
You replied " and you know this how"
Also by the tone of your post are you one of my former teachers ?
 

TRUE BELIEVER

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I agree everyone's is refusing to call out the elephant in the room - there will be a reason (possibly legal would be my guess). But there is clearly something not right.
As has been said perhaps there is no elephant to call out and that all the conspiracy theorists are wrong and it was just a matter of the covid virus slowing down the administration. The cogs within the EFL work slowly anyway but without being able to meet face to face with the bidders and their legal representatives everything is probably having to be done by e.mail and in written form slowing the process even further.

In my opinion if there was a serious problem with the bidders or the bid someone would have found a way, legal or otherwise, of putting the information out. Hopefully it will be completed in the next few days and we can then start to concentrate on getting a team together.
 
Here's my original post Morris - feel free to point out any ref to Nandy 🤔
You replied " and you know this how"
Also by the tone of your post are you one of my former teachers ?
No I am not. I replied to your post about Lis Nandy, not that one.
Anyway time to put an end to it, as we seem to have got to the point of arguing for the sake of it
 

walgarthjohn

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The donations were (in part at least) in case of a "last resort".......which thankfully, hasn't occurred. If a reasonable opportunity arises to get a stake on the board for the SC, then I'm not sure if they thin they have a mandate to decide on that by themselves, or if they feel they'll need to put it to a vote ................... but then, would it be a vote of the SC (which doesn't cover all those who donated), or would it be a vote of all those who donated .......some of whom are nowt to do with WAFC, and even those who are WAFC fans, some aren't necessarily members of the SC. (The question was rhetorical by the way .........and I don't know the answer, though I do have a view).

I'm not sure what the SC could have told us that hasn't already been put out there by Kendrick etc. As for "the chosen few" being told John, again, ( I won't make the same joke), I'm not really sure who you mean.

Unless, of course ............................. it's the Dooleys ........................

Shut up
 

walgarthjohn

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The donations were (in part at least) in case of a "last resort".......which thankfully, hasn't occurred. If a reasonable opportunity arises to get a stake on the board for the SC, then I'm not sure if they thin they have a mandate to decide on that by themselves, or if they feel they'll need to put it to a vote ................... but then, would it be a vote of the SC (which doesn't cover all those who donated), or would it be a vote of all those who donated .......some of whom are nowt to do with WAFC, and even those who are WAFC fans, some aren't necessarily members of the SC. (The question was rhetorical by the way .........and I don't know the answer, though I do have a view).

I'm not sure what the SC could have told us that hasn't already been put out there by Kendrick etc. As for "the chosen few" being told John, again, ( I won't make the same joke), I'm not really sure who you mean.

Unless, of course ............................. it's the Dooleys ........................

You always have to have the last word with everyone on here here. Like you said before last time we were shift. You stopped watching. For all we know you might not even have gone. Last few seasons.
 

moonay

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You really can be quite rude at times John.

You always have to have the last word with everyone on here here. Like you said before last time we were shift. You stopped watching. For all we know you might not even have gone. Last few seasons.
How on earth am I trying to have the last word? All I did was to expand on some of the points within your post, and then to again give you the opportunity to explain who you mean by "the chosen few", since it's not the first time you've used this phrase in the past few days.

What on earth my history of watching Latics has to do with anything is completely beyond me, and nothing at all to do with the (attempted) conversation we're having.

John, again, you need to consider
a) why the SC asked for our money in the first place before deciding that you wish you hadn't donated, and
b) who the hell are this "chosen few" to whom you refer.
Oh, and
c) given that you're on a forum, expect that folk might respond to your posts ......... just like they would if this chat was being had at the bar of a pub.
 

walgarthjohn

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You really can be quite rude at times John.



How on earth am I trying to have the last word? All I did was to expand on some of the points within your post, and then to again give you the opportunity to explain who you mean by "the chosen few", since it's not the first time you've used this phrase in the past few days.

What on earth my history of watching Latics has to do with anything is completely beyond me, and nothing at all to do with the (attempted) conversation we're having.

John, again, you need to consider
a) why the SC asked for our money in the first place before deciding that you wish you hadn't donated, and
b) who the hell are this "chosen few" to whom you refer.
Oh, and
c) given that you're on a forum, expect that folk might respond to your posts ......... just like they would if this chat was being had at the bar of a pub.
Wonder why others have blocked you
 

moonay

Vital Champions League
Wonder why others have blocked you
"Others"? I know of one other who said he was going to, ......... but Zakky was being just as childish as you are.

Regardless, how did my (I think) perfectly reasonable response provoke you to wonder such a thing?

We were in the shit ......the SC asked for our money ........ for some strange reason, you say you'd rather not have donated. I'm still not sure why. Neither are we any wiser as to who you believe to be the chosen few ................. and what you think they might know that you don't.

If you post stuff John, expect a response ........................ otherwise, you're just talking to yourself, which can't be a good thing.
:cheers:
 
King sticks out like sore thumb but you wont admit it you i believe are one that wanted pollard in control if you take out sc from those four keep talking about then the three you talk of are the click that wanted wurriors to own the stadium
I personally do not argue with uour choice you are also a wurriors fan but if you dont like the spanish in charge then why dont you just stick to rugby
And let the rest of us who are ok with the spanish move forward into new era
And history of the latics
Instead of moaning about the potential new owners like you continually do
If I'm a rugby infiltrator I've been playing one hell of a long game posting regulary for 12 odd years just in case the opportunity came up at some point to convince about 20 regular posters with zero impact on the process that letting Lenegan own the stadium was a good option...

For the record I'm not a Warriors fan, i was a Saints fan for years before starting watching Latics in the late 1990s, but i haven't watched any rugby league for probably 15 years. I'm just not hung up on an out of date rivalry based on something Lindsey said 30 odd years ago who left the club a decade or so ago - and I've yet to see the evidence Lenegan is the super villain he is made out to be. Trying to buy the heavy loss making stadium when the Americans didn't want it doesn't bother me - if he wanted to transfer the much heavier financial burden of stadium running costs and rates away from us and onto Warriors I'm not opposed to it.

IEC looked dodgy, my gut feeling was it would not end well when I saw their accounts but I parked my skepticism, tried to not be negative and find positives and give benefit of the doubt. After how that all turned out I'm not going to pretend I don't have serious concerns based on what we are seeing. I bet if everyone is honest with themselves deep down most would say something doesn't feel right about the Spanish bid.

I don't subscribe to the notion anyone who doesn't think the Spanish deal is good must have an agenda or be part of an elaborate conspiracy to do with Lenegan. If i did go along with that type of thinking i could say you must be in cahoots with the Spanish trying to silence any concerns to push their agenda - but I wouldn't because that would be just as daft as what you're acusing me of. I'd say it's significantly more likely that the parties I mentioned just have serious concerns on the details currently not shared with the public.