New MOT rules - n/g

And how does it work when you get your car's MOT done at a council place, where they don't fix cars? Are the council running a breakdown service?
 
Its not all failures only if the fault is `dangerous' which means it a hazard on the road and driving it would be an offense of driving a unsafe vehicle - seems sensible to stop unsafe vehicles driving on the road
 
I see the logic but this relies on trusting the garages. This would be a way of guaranteeing yourself a costly job and the customer cannot really refuse - can they?

I know that my local garages have seen a shift away from people having a yearly service and MOT. Now they are just having an MOT.

One garage in Deal (yesterday) had a sign saying MOT and Service £75. What sort of service would that be?
 
wxgill said:
I see the logic but this relies on trusting the garages. This would be a way of guaranteeing yourself a costly job and the customer cannot really refuse - can they?

I know that my local garages have seen a shift away from people having a yearly service and MOT. Now they are just having an MOT.

One garage in Deal (yesterday) had a sign saying MOT and Service £75. What sort of service would that be?
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Isn't that the case now - if you dont trust the garage why use them?

You would have to ask the garage what points the service covers - could only be a basic oil change and visual inspection.

My car always gets serviced at the local dealer and is moved on because of teh high milage before a MOT is due - my wifes car gets serviced and MOTd at Halfords autocentre - they provide a good service which does not invalidate the manufacturers warranty
 
DurhamGills said:
Isn't that the case now - if you dont trust the garage why use them?

You would have to ask the garage what points the service covers - could only be a basic oil change and visual inspection.

My car always gets serviced at the local dealer and is moved on because of teh high milage before a MOT is due - my wifes car gets serviced and MOTd at Halfords autocentre - they provide a good service which does not invalidate the manufacturers warranty
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You must be loaded Durham. Halfords charge more than twice as much as my local good mechanic for basic repairs. I've never been back since they tried to charge me 1200 for about 500 quids worth of work.
 
alphabet_king said:
You must be loaded Durham. Halfords charge more than twice as much as my local good mechanic for basic repairs. I've never been back since they tried to charge me 1200 for about 500 quids worth of work.
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I think its you that must be loaded!

Up until last year I didn't pay a penny - Tesco vouchers all the way BUT whenever i checked out the price it was always comparable with other garages.

You can always get cheaper but has its risks or you could do what I did for 20 odd years and DIY
 
Also depends if you ask for a full or basic / interim service. The interim will be a top up of oil, changing of oil filters, general checks for any lose parts and fix. If you have done a certain distance since they were last changed then they should change the spark plugs. Most will check your tire pressure. In general they make sure nothing is likely to go bang on you.

A full or major service will do all that and will change the various oils and fluids, change all the filters and do additional checks to make sure all your car's sensors are working. I think a full service will also include topping up of any air con fluids which you probably wouldn't get with most basics.

Exactly what each type of service involves will depend on the make and model of the car.

My dad who once worked as a mechanic used to say that every third service should be a full service but do it yearly if you can afford to. And if your car is in the state that you need to do a full service annually then it is time to get a new car.

If you know car maintenance and know how to change your oil and other stuff then you may get away with only needing to pay for a basic each time if you do the more advanced stuff yourself.
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
If you know car maintenance and know how to change your oil and other stuff then you may get away with only needing to pay for a basic each time if you do the more advanced stuff yourself.
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Yes but as you say a basic service is likely to be just an oil change and basic safety check. Better to do that one yourself if you can, and then every other year get the full service where they change all the filters and spark plugs etc as well as the oil.
However I have read of people paying for a full service only to discover they still have the same air filter and pollen filter etc after as the garage didn’t bother changing them even though they were supposed to. So finding a trustworthy garage is important!
 
SurreyBOB said:
The "so-called EU" strikes again with its Directives. We're pretty good on roadworthiness over here. Do we really need their "help" or are we not able to set our own MOT standards?

In practice it'll be a licence for dodgy garages to effectively hold vehicles to ransom on various pretexts.
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EU or not, it's irrelevant because most agree that diesel car emissions have to be controlled; it's not 'help' but putting heads together and, don't forget, we often lead the debates on such issues. For those who feel they might be held to ransom, report the workshop but check first 'cos they'll have all the readings etc
 
Wayne.Kerr said:
Well, you think wrong because it is directed mainly at diesel cars
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No Wayne, it isn't. The Sun (and others on a slow news day) would like you to believe that but it just ain't true. Read the gov site here:-

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mot-changes-20-may-2018

There is no good reason for a diesel cycle engine to be "less clean" than a petrol one. Participate emissions are almost always stopped by correctly adjusting the vehicle's fuel pump. No real need for a filter. And the Nitrous Oxide thing can be stopped by using slightly different fuel which the fuel companies could put out but don't. Running the diesel cycle on veg oil would work for example. The components for the "nasties" come from the fuel remember. And diesel engines are more fuel efficient too, using less diesel fuel per mile than a petrol one, thereby conserving precious resources.

Surry Bob, are you serious when you say"We're pretty good on roadworthiness over here. Do we really need their [EU] "help" or are we not able to set our own MOT standards?"

Our current MOT may have been sufficient when I was driving an Austin Allegro, but it certainly isn't now.

And finally, if you're worried about your car failing, then why not get the MOT done a couple of weeks before it's due? Then if there's a problem you've got breathing/arguing space.
 
Skullduggery Pleasan said:
No Wayne, it isn't. The Sun (and others on a slow news day) would like you to believe that but it just ain't true. Read the gov site here:-

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mot-changes-20-may-2018

There is no good reason for a diesel cycle engine to be "less clean" than a petrol one. Participate emissions are almost always stopped by correctly adjusting the vehicle's fuel pump. No real need for a filter. And the Nitrous Oxide thing can be stopped by using slightly different fuel which the fuel companies could put out but don't. Running the diesel cycle on veg oil would work for example. The components for the "nasties" come from the fuel remember. And diesel engines are more fuel efficient too, using less diesel fuel per mile than a petrol one, thereby conserving precious resources.

Surry Bob, are you serious when you say"We're pretty good on roadworthiness over here. Do we really need their [EU] "help" or are we not able to set our own MOT standards?"

Our current MOT may have been sufficient when I was driving an Austin Allegro, but it certainly isn't now.

And finally, if you're worried about your car failing, then why not get the MOT done a couple of weeks before it's due? Then if there's a problem you've got breathing/arguing space.
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I believe if you have your MOT done earlier than it is due then the extra time that used to be added to your MOT due date is now NOT carried over.
 
Skullduggery Pleasan said:
No Wayne, it isn't. The Sun (and others on a slow news day) would like you to believe that but it just ain't true. Read the gov site here:-

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mot-changes-20-may-2018

There is no good reason for a diesel cycle engine to be "less clean" than a petrol one. Participate emissions are almost always stopped by correctly adjusting the vehicle's fuel pump. No real need for a filter. And the Nitrous Oxide thing can be stopped by using slightly different fuel which the fuel companies could put out but don't. Running the diesel cycle on veg oil would work for example. The components for the "nasties" come from the fuel remember. And diesel engines are more fuel efficient too, using less diesel fuel per mile than a petrol one, thereby conserving precious resources.

Surry Bob, are you serious when you say"We're pretty good on roadworthiness over here. Do we really need their [EU] "help" or are we not able to set our own MOT standards?"

Our current MOT may have been sufficient when I was driving an Austin Allegro, but it certainly isn't now.

And finally, if you're worried about your car failing, then why not get the MOT done a couple of weeks before it's due? Then if there's a problem you've got breathing/arguing space.
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When it comes to diesels, we live in a dystopia. Participates or rather particulates are there in abundance because of a variety of reasons, including poor maintenance and all the things you mentioned that are largely being overlooked.
 
Wx, you still get up to your mot date added to you certificate if you do it up to 28 days in advance so if you your mot date was 29th May and you got it mot'd on the 15th of May your next mot date would be still the 29th of May the following year.

More about the new rules here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mot-changes-20-may-2018

Looks like only cars falling into the 'dangerous' category will not be allowed to be driven away after an mot failure.
 
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