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TRUE BELIEVER said:
I still see the biggest problem as the fact that we are too safe in our play and not prepared to risk losing possession.

We need to be a little more open in our forward play and take the risk of playing the through ball into space rather than trying to pick out a pin point pass. We have the pace to turn defenders and outrun them but we prefer to try and play a pin point ball to the forward player.

If we lose possession then so be it but hopefully one or two of these type of balls will fall our way and create openings. I'm not advocating we use this tactic exclusively but once or twice in a game wouldn't go amiss.
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It's about taking positive calculated risks. Don't play passes that aren't on, but if a there is an opening then have a go.

Their first goal last night is a good example of us creating your own issues needlessly. McMannaman has their full back isolated and has time and space to put a cross in, but instead of putting the ball in or taking them on, he turns back and plays a ball to an onrushing Matt Smith who's got a man on him, in a worse position and has left midfield completely open. We end up losing the ball and they break for the goal.

We had got into a dangerous position and not only did we completely let them off but we also gifted them a great counter attacking opportunity that they punish us with through our own decision making.
 
We also don’t make the most of attacking set piece opportunities. We saw last season time and time again the ball went backwards even when in a position to put it in the box. It happened again last night in the second half. We had a free kick about a 1/4 to a 1/3 way in their half. Commentator started saying it was an opportunity to put players in the box and had to cut himself off when he was genuinely surprised it was played short and went backwards. This is the bread and butter of the lower leagues and we cannot squander these opportunities.
 
king_dezeeuw06 said:
It's about taking positive calculated risks. Don't play passes that aren't on, but if a there is an opening then have a go.

Their first goal last night is a good example of us creating your own issues needlessly. McMannaman has their full back isolated and has time and space to put a cross in, but instead of putting the ball in or taking them on, he turns back and plays a ball to an onrushing Matt Smith who's got a man on him, in a worse position and has left midfield completely open. We end up losing the ball and they break for the goal.

We had got into a dangerous position and not only did we completely let them off but we also gifted them a great counter attacking opportunity that they punish us with through our own decision making.
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I can't comment about last night's game as I was in work. But I think your first paragraph sums us up perfectly KDZ, in that the players will not take that "calculated risk." So many times we have a player running into space, even pointing to where they want the ball played to, only for said player on the ball to stop & hesitate. It is frustrating. And they do need to take more of that brave initiative.

An example I can think of is the game vs Charlton. Matt Smith played a lovely through ball to Aasgaard only for him to fluff his lines. But that pass is something the players need to have that little bit of confidence to do more of.

I honestly don't think that is down to Maloney's coaching, but more the players on a matchday too hesitant to be just that little bit braver.
 
runcornfan1978 said:
I can't comment about last night's game as I was in work. But I think your first paragraph sums us up perfectly KDZ, in that the players will not take that "calculated risk." So many times we have a player running into space, even pointing to where they want the ball played to, only for said player on the ball to stop & hesitate. It is frustrating. And they do need to take more of that brave initiative.

An example I can think of is the game vs Charlton. Matt Smith played a lovely through ball to Aasgaard only for him to fluff his lines. But that pass is something the players need to have that little bit of confidence to do more of.

I honestly don't think that is down to Maloney's coaching, but more the players on a matchday too hesitant to be just that little bit braver.
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I think the players certainly are to blame for hesitating in the moment. But the coaching staff should be hammering it into them to take those positive risks but all players seem to prioritise keeping posession over creating a chance and that's why we try and walk the ball in.
 
WHEN YOU SEE THE WHITE OF THE POSTS SHOOT, THE MOST IMPORTANT MAN IS THE MAN WITHOUT THE BALL, that means you move and find space. Shaun put that notice up in our dressing room, better still put it up in every other bloody room.
Too angry to write more, but still see an upturn in our fortunes. Did post couple of weeks ago that we would be up and running mid October.
 
DRAGNET said:
WHEN YOU SEE THE WHITE OF THE POSTS SHOOT, THE MOST IMPORTANT MAN IS THE MAN WITHOUT THE BALL, that means you move and find space. Shaun put that notice up in our dressing room, better still put it up in every other bloody room.
Too angry to write more, but still see an upturn in our fortunes. Did post couple of weeks ago that we would be up and running mid October.
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I was quite prolific in the Sunday Leagues but i was taught slightly different to that. The best advice i got was 'learn to know where you are on the pitch because the goalposts don't move' in other words, i had a fair rasping shot on me, if i got into space from 30 yards inwards, blast it goalwards. The amount of times the keeper spilled it and somebody followed it up was a shit ton.
 
king_dezeeuw06 said:
I think the players certainly are to blame for hesitating in the moment. But the coaching staff should be hammering it into them to take those positive risks but all players seem to prioritise keeping posession over creating a chance and that's why we try and walk the ball in.
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Thing is, I think it is being coached into them. They're just not carrying it out on the pitch
 
Soccerates said:
Underlapping - when a full back drops into central midfield with or without the ball, in order to create a 2v1/ 3v1 in the middle. Also when a full back goes past a winger on the inside to exploit the space behind a defence between full back and central defender. 1st popped up in the 1970 Brazil World Cup team, but popularised by Maurizio Sarri at Napoli, took on by Guardiola and Klopp, Max Allegri and Julian Nagelsmann in varying ways.

Coming down the throat of the ball - the above was newfangled, that one is old school, probably around the 1950s. It means not giving yourself an angle to move forward with the ball.

That's what it means.
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The mind boggles, personally its a load of crap. Football is a simple game really.
 
Made in Wigan said:
It was type of player we needed last season. Magennis should have been that man but was not upto the job. Genuinely staggered this was not addressed in the summer.
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Two names who were not exactly the classiest but did a great job for us. Les Bradd and Bobby Campbell. This dour game of football played in this era needs desperately to get some players like that into the game.
A bit classier Nathan Ellington and Jason Roberts knew how to unsteady a defence.
 
king_dezeeuw06 said:
If they aren't carrying it out on the pitch then the coaching has not been sufficient.
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Not necessarily! Different but kind of similar circumstances. I remember attending a Ray Reardon snooker coaching week back in the late 80s at Brean Sands, Pontins. I remember him saying to us all, I can coach you all in how to play the shots, how to use top spin, side, screw back & many others. But I can't coach you when you step onto that match table whether it's as a professional or in your local club league in a "pressure environment."

I think the same thing happens on a match day. It just isn't happening on the pitch. One player IMO is guilty of this & that's Adeeko. I think there is a player there. But very often he'll take the easy way out & let someone else do the donkey work.

And collectively as a team, the players are not brave enough &/or too hesitant. So they take the easy way out by letting someone else take the mantle even though that player is marked or whatever.
 
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jeffs right said:
Two names who were not exactly the classiest but did a great job for us. Les Bradd and Bobby Campbell. This dour game of football played in this era needs desperately to get some players like that into the game.
A bit classier Nathan Ellington and Jason Roberts knew how to unsteady a defence.
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We aren't getting the ball up front to warrant two strikers sadly. I do like a good pairing and we've had some great ones down the years but we don't have that now.
 
runcornfan1978 said:
I think the same thing happens on a match day. It just isn't happening on the pitch. One player IMO is guilty of this & that's Adeeko. I think there is a player there. But very often he'll take the easy way out & let someone else do the donkey work.
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Or maybe the players don't like the tactics or game plan that Maloney asks.

Problem is there are around 8 players out of the 11 that aren't sure what they are supposed to be doing or what there job actually is.

Half the time us fans haven't a clue what's going on so God help the players who have to think on their feet and have a second to make a decision, hence the shit show every week.
 
runcornfan1978 said:
I can't comment about last night's game as I was in work. But I think your first paragraph sums us up perfectly KDZ, in that the players will not take that "calculated risk." So many times we have a player running into space, even pointing to where they want the ball played to, only for said player on the ball to stop & hesitate. It is frustrating. And they do need to take more of that brave initiative.

An example I can think of is the game vs Charlton. Matt Smith played a lovely through ball to Aasgaard only for him to fluff his lines. But that pass is something the players need to have that little bit of confidence to do more of.

I honestly don't think that is down to Maloney's coaching, but more the players on a matchday too hesitant to be just that little bit braver.
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I don't know how others see it - the players seemed more hesitant to shoot at home games v away. Is it because our boo boys erode their confidence? Yes I know they're professional etc but majority are inexperienced/young.
 
NZogbia's fan club said:
I don't know how others see it - the players seemed more hesitant to shoot at home games v away. Is it because our boo boys erode their confidence? Yes I know they're professional etc but majority are inexperienced/young.
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Not sure you can blame any boo boys, I think we have the most tolerant fans in the country, they put up with anything.
 
runcornfan1978 said:
Not necessarily! Different but kind of similar circumstances. I remember attending a Ray Reardon snooker coaching week back in the late 80s at Brean Sands, Pontins. I remember him saying to us all, I can coach you all in how to play the shots, how to use top spin, side, screw back & many others. But I can't coach you when you step onto that match table whether it's as a professional or in your local club league in a "pressure environment."

I think the same thing happens on a match day. It just isn't happening on the pitch. One player IMO is guilty of this & that's Adeeko. I think there is a player there. But very often he'll take the easy way out & let someone else do the donkey work.

And collectively as a team, the players are not brave enough &/or too hesitant. So they take the easy way out by letting someone else take the mantle even though that player is marked or whatever.
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I understand the point you are trying to get at but I think it's a massive difference between someone giving a one off session and the level of every day professional coaching received by full time footballers. Teams spend hours analysing, preparing and reviewing what their players need to do on match days and even receiving coaching in real time from the touch line.

If the players on the pitch aren't doing as requested then the coaching staff need to work out why that is and act accordingly. If they are confused by the instructions they need to work out how they can communicate it differently for it to sink in. If the players understand but are struggling to know when to apply it so the coaches need to create drills in training and work on repetitions to make it straight forward, into a routine and good habit. If the players not physically or mentally capable of doing what is asked the coaching need to adjust to the players limitations or drop the player to use ones more capable.

A good coach needs to work out what his team and himself as a coach are good and bad at and play to those strengths and minimise the weaknesses. It's certainly not easy and that is why so many coaches and managers fail but if your coach can't work out how to get players to do what they wants on the pitch or he is asking the players to do something they can't do - the coaching is poor.

I keep bringing up Crawley as an example of what can be done in a short space of time, with low budget, low quality players. I don't think their players were naturally braver or synchronised with each other - it was just hours of repetition on the training ground so every player understood where they should be and what they should do in different situations. It really showed what is possible and how far off it we are by comparison.
 
Frank Bullitt said:
Or maybe the players don't like the tactics or game plan that Maloney asks.

Problem is there are around 8 players out of the 11 that aren't sure what they are supposed to be doing or what there job actually is.

Half the time us fans haven't a clue what's going on so God help the players who have to think on their feet and have a second to make a decision, hence the shit show every week.
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Not sure that is a factor in this Frank.

The players last season maybe, but this seasons crop are either home grown and have been coached that way for the last couple of years under the manager or signed by Maloney with his tactics and style discussed when they met, all of whom said they were excited to join the "project".

All the players this year have signed up to play with his tactics and game plans.
 
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