Calvin Plummer
Vital Football Legend
Remember being at the city ground the day cloughie got them promoted to division one. Think they had to beat us to go up. Anyways, johnny Moore scored a late own goal for them. Think they went up in third place as well. We had a right old laugh that day. Ended up in the middle on a terrace opposite the dugouts. With a seating bit behind us. Very eventful day for our 500 or so.
Curiously and quite wonderfully, Jon Moore was voted Forest Player of the Season after that own goal!! A fact surely deserving a place in the A-Z....!!!
I often check out oppo fans websites b4 forthcoming games,and your post brought a smile to my face as I remember the match you refer to like y,day...A couple of first's occurred that season which relate to the Forest/Millwall games that you may or may not know!..We (Forest) played you at The Den in Dec 76,and I can honestly say that it was the most pathetic crew I'd ever travelled with as a Forest fan.
Even as a mid table 2nd division club, Forest had for years a huge away following who very few bettered off the pitch...We didn't know at the time, but on the way to The Den 2 coaches with some of Forest,s main lads(Mick R,s coach and the Newark coach) were escorted back to Nottm after serious trouble at Toddington services...Inside The Den I well remember the fear on the faces of the 2(yes only 2) young coppers separating us from the Millwall mob who were constantly charging into us...I reckon it was just b4 halftime that a long line of the Mets finest made an appearance,and no doubt saved us from a real battering...For the 1st time I ever recall, we kept in the ground for a good half an hour and we were then escorted back to New Cross Gate without any incident.
Like The Den,The City Ground was completely unsegregated, and likewise few but the largest clubs ever brought any away support to Forest.Also,like Millwall,Forest were one of the few clubs that had firms in every section of the ground,Forest's biggest being in the East Stand(where you stood).
That same season (76) Wolves got the biggest battering in their history(their words,not mine) when they fled onto the pitch from the East Stand only to get the same reception in every section of the ground they attempted to escape too...They finally fled down the players tunnel,and seeing hundreds of fans fleeing down the players tunnel is a sight I'd never seen b4 or since!
This caused a big storm in the media,and the return Forest/Millwall fixture was the 1st time away fans got a large scale police escort before,during,and after at a match at the City Ground,,Obviously the shape of things to come...
PS.Moody, loved your A to Z,but Eindoven is the smallest city to win the European Cup...Eindoven urban pop:337,487....Nottingham urban pop:920,000.
Cheers.
That smallest city thing I know causes a lot of controversy. I always go on the actual 'city' population, as do not like things like 'urban' area, as that is the sort of distinction that make Palace fans think they are a proper London club or people from Manchester think that their tiny provincial city is on equal pegging with a world class city like London. According to 'Rough Guide', Nottingham is still the smallest city to be home to a European Cup winning club.
However, even that is controversial really - Forest do not play in the city of Nottingham and haven't since the 1950s. Technically, West Bridgford is the smallest place to be home to a European Cup winning club, with a population of c.47,000.
If I was a Forest fan I would just go with it - as it is something to be very proud of!
Moody,
very interesting reply and hats off to your detailed research....Technically you are spot on,and it's funny to think that a town with a population of 47,000 have won the European Cup,Twice...
However,the fact should be stated that Nottingham has the tightest "City Bounderies" of any UK city,(Wikipedia).For example,areas as far as7/8 miles from the city centre are included in the cities population, whereas I live in the Lady Bay of West Bridgford,a snd can fall out bed and be in the city centre, but it is not included in Nottinghams population....Nottingham contains over a dozen such areas, with populations from 25,000 to over 60,000...Apologies for being pedantic, but it's a sore point here, as the call for a single unitary (particularly for economic reasons) fall on deaf ears as borough councils refuse to relinquish power...It will happen eventually....Also, just for clarity, I am not confusing 'Urban Popualtion' with Nottinghams metropolitan population, which is obviously even greater....
The good old days Red. Bet you and your mates had and have a right laugh about that day at the Den?
Remember it being touch and go on Trent bridge that day. Our 100 or so we’re pretty keen though. We were guided down the back of the Trent end by plod. Just before the ground a large crew of forest tried to get at us down this passage next to some flats?? Possibly.
Plod moved in and I can remember the inspector walking anyone with a huge club.
At the end of the game you lot invaded, some celebrating promotion, most running across to confront us.
You were lucky the police kept us back on the terrace that day lol.
‘Thousands of em’
Your recollections are spot on...You'll be interested to know that if you get a Forest programme,circa 78/79,one of the pictures on the cover is of that very Forest/Millwall game.If your lucky you might be able to spot yourself...It's funny to think that I would have seen you that day,as I was stood a few feet to your left throughout the game....Also as you recall,we went onto the pitch and I can only say it was not to celebrate.
For Forest to gain promotion,Wolves had to beat or draw at Bolton at Burnden Park on the last match of the season.2 coachloads of Forest went to Bolton,and we were stood between the Bolton fans on one side,and 6/7 thousand baying Wolves fans on the other,bearing in mind that only a few months b4 Wolves had had the hiding of their lifes at The City Ground...How we got out alive I can't say to this day...Very very evenful..
Hey Owain, this will put a smile on your face..That match at The Den (Dec 76),around 2.30 the ground was still pretty empty,and for some reason I spotted this bloke walk all the way from the far end,then down the side,and finally he stopped and stood literally 2/3 feet in front of us.He was only about 5ft tall,but also about 5ft across,flat cap and all.He was carrying a tweed work holdall,and I kid you not that when he put it down,it clanked!..I can picture him now, how he turned round ,giving us the once over,and you know how it's said that everybody has a double,well to this day I'm convinced it was Bob Hoskins.....I also clearly remember thinking that this was not going to end well..Great Days.
Hope you are still wearing an armbank for Home Ales of Daybrook, mate. A game at the City Ground - or watching county Cricket at Trent Bridge - was never complete without a few pints of black and tan before and after the game.
I still pine for it.
I remember this game quite vividly too, Millwall 2-2 Nottingham Forest on 17th April 1994. Forest were the first non-London club to fill both the top and bottom tiers at the 'new' Den and Millwall fans turned up in numbers too - see the video. However, some creative accounting meant the crowd was officially announced at just over 12,500 - because if you can spot 7,500 empty seats in the highlights of the game I will grow my hair like former Forest striker Jason Lee! How the club got away with that, I will never know.
By 1923 Will Hay was one of the most popular comedians in Britain, touring the Kingdom to packed theatres.
While Nottingham Forest were one of the England's least successful First Division clubs, finishing the 22/23 season one place above the drop, a feat they repeated the following year before, predictably, finishing bottom in 24/25 and returning to the second flight.
I have before me Will Hay's original, personally written and signed tax returns from April 3 1922 to March 26 1923 (don't ask....).
Please answer all the questions correctly.
In this period:
1. Did Will Hay perform in Nottingham? yes/no
2. Was his earnings for the year £820/£1,820/£2,820/£3,820?
3. Which cost more in expenses: "Travelling for year" or "Apartments on tour?"
4. Which silverware-winning Nottingham Forest manager wrote this is his autobiography?
"After one of our games at The City Ground, someone said to me: "You could have won that game if your boys had stopped playing football for half a second and got rid of the ball when it was dangerously in your area." I could make only one reply to that:
"What is the good of telling your young players to play football, football, all the time if, as a result of this insistance of playing football no matter what the circumstances are on the field, you blame them for having departed from the code for even a moment?"
I insist that, no matter what the pressure is, they should play that ball as footballers should. I'm not satisfied with even the saving of a goal by wild kicks behind or even out of touch, or even up the field. This is the most dangerous policy any defence can adopt. If a defender kicks the ball wildly up the field when there is a scramble around his own goal, it is more than likely an opponent will get it, and with the defence disorganised, he has another ready-made opportunity of creating another goal chance. So I insist....that, no matter what the circumstances are, that ball should be played out of trouble, played with football."
Curiously and quite wonderfully, Jon Moore was voted Forest Player of the Season after that own goal!! A fact surely deserving a place in the A-Z....!!!
I often check out oppo fans websites b4 forthcoming games,and your post brought a smile to my face as I remember the match you refer to like y,day...A couple of first's occurred that season which relate to the Forest/Millwall games that you may or may not know!..We (Forest) played you at The Den in Dec 76,and I can honestly say that it was the most pathetic crew I'd ever travelled with as a Forest fan.
Even as a mid table 2nd division club, Forest had for years a huge away following who very few bettered off the pitch...We didn't know at the time, but on the way to The Den 2 coaches with some of Forest,s main lads(Mick R,s coach and the Newark coach) were escorted back to Nottm after serious trouble at Toddington services...Inside The Den I well remember the fear on the faces of the 2(yes only 2) young coppers separating us from the Millwall mob who were constantly charging into us...I reckon it was just b4 halftime that a long line of the Mets finest made an appearance,and no doubt saved us from a real battering...For the 1st time I ever recall, we kept in the ground for a good half an hour and we were then escorted back to New Cross Gate without any incident.
Like The Den,The City Ground was completely unsegregated, and likewise few but the largest clubs ever brought any away support to Forest.Also,like Millwall,Forest were one of the few clubs that had firms in every section of the ground,Forest's biggest being in the East Stand(where you stood).
That same season (76) Wolves got the biggest battering in their history(their words,not mine) when they fled onto the pitch from the East Stand only to get the same reception in every section of the ground they attempted to escape too...They finally fled down the players tunnel,and seeing hundreds of fans fleeing down the players tunnel is a sight I'd never seen b4 or since!
This caused a big storm in the media,and the return Forest/Millwall fixture was the 1st time away fans got a large scale police escort before,during,and after at a match at the City Ground,,Obviously the shape of things to come...
PS.Moody, loved your A to Z,but Eindoven is the smallest city to win the European Cup...Eindoven urban pop:337,487....Nottingham urban pop:920,000.
Cheers.
That smallest city thing I know causes a lot of controversy. I always go on the actual 'city' population, as do not like things like 'urban' area, as that is the sort of distinction that make Palace fans think they are a proper London club or people from Manchester think that their tiny provincial city is on equal pegging with a world class city like London. According to 'Rough Guide', Nottingham is still the smallest city to be home to a European Cup winning club.
However, even that is controversial really - Forest do not play in the city of Nottingham and haven't since the 1950s. Technically, West Bridgford is the smallest place to be home to a European Cup winning club, with a population of c.47,000.
If I was a Forest fan I would just go with it - as it is something to be very proud of!
Moody,
very interesting reply and hats off to your detailed research....Technically you are spot on,and it's funny to think that a town with a population of 47,000 have won the European Cup,Twice...
However,the fact should be stated that Nottingham has the tightest "City Bounderies" of any UK city,(Wikipedia).For example,areas as far as7/8 miles from the city centre are included in the cities population, whereas I live in the Lady Bay of West Bridgford,a snd can fall out bed and be in the city centre, but it is not included in Nottinghams population....Nottingham contains over a dozen such areas, with populations from 25,000 to over 60,000...Apologies for being pedantic, but it's a sore point here, as the call for a single unitary (particularly for economic reasons) fall on deaf ears as borough councils refuse to relinquish power...It will happen eventually....Also, just for clarity, I am not confusing 'Urban Popualtion' with Nottinghams metropolitan population, which is obviously even greater....
The good old days Red. Bet you and your mates had and have a right laugh about that day at the Den?
Remember it being touch and go on Trent bridge that day. Our 100 or so we’re pretty keen though. We were guided down the back of the Trent end by plod. Just before the ground a large crew of forest tried to get at us down this passage next to some flats?? Possibly.
Plod moved in and I can remember the inspector walking anyone with a huge club.
At the end of the game you lot invaded, some celebrating promotion, most running across to confront us.
You were lucky the police kept us back on the terrace that day lol.
‘Thousands of em’
Your recollections are spot on...You'll be interested to know that if you get a Forest programme,circa 78/79,one of the pictures on the cover is of that very Forest/Millwall game.If your lucky you might be able to spot yourself...It's funny to think that I would have seen you that day,as I was stood a few feet to your left throughout the game....Also as you recall,we went onto the pitch and I can only say it was not to celebrate.
For Forest to gain promotion,Wolves had to beat or draw at Bolton at Burnden Park on the last match of the season.2 coachloads of Forest went to Bolton,and we were stood between the Bolton fans on one side,and 6/7 thousand baying Wolves fans on the other,bearing in mind that only a few months b4 Wolves had had the hiding of their lifes at The City Ground...How we got out alive I can't say to this day...Very very evenful..
Hey Owain, this will put a smile on your face..That match at The Den (Dec 76),around 2.30 the ground was still pretty empty,and for some reason I spotted this bloke walk all the way from the far end,then down the side,and finally he stopped and stood literally 2/3 feet in front of us.He was only about 5ft tall,but also about 5ft across,flat cap and all.He was carrying a tweed work holdall,and I kid you not that when he put it down,it clanked!..I can picture him now, how he turned round ,giving us the once over,and you know how it's said that everybody has a double,well to this day I'm convinced it was Bob Hoskins.....I also clearly remember thinking that this was not going to end well..Great Days.
Hope you are still wearing an armbank for Home Ales of Daybrook, mate. A game at the City Ground - or watching county Cricket at Trent Bridge - was never complete without a few pints of black and tan before and after the game.
I still pine for it.
I remember this game quite vividly too, Millwall 2-2 Nottingham Forest on 17th April 1994. Forest were the first non-London club to fill both the top and bottom tiers at the 'new' Den and Millwall fans turned up in numbers too - see the video. However, some creative accounting meant the crowd was officially announced at just over 12,500 - because if you can spot 7,500 empty seats in the highlights of the game I will grow my hair like former Forest striker Jason Lee! How the club got away with that, I will never know.
By 1923 Will Hay was one of the most popular comedians in Britain, touring the Kingdom to packed theatres.
While Nottingham Forest were one of the England's least successful First Division clubs, finishing the 22/23 season one place above the drop, a feat they repeated the following year before, predictably, finishing bottom in 24/25 and returning to the second flight.
I have before me Will Hay's original, personally written and signed tax returns from April 3 1922 to March 26 1923 (don't ask....).
Please answer all the questions correctly.
In this period:
1. Did Will Hay perform in Nottingham? yes/no
2. Was his earnings for the year £820/£1,820/£2,820/£3,820?
3. Which cost more in expenses: "Travelling for year" or "Apartments on tour?"
4. Which silverware-winning Nottingham Forest manager wrote this is his autobiography?
"After one of our games at The City Ground, someone said to me: "You could have won that game if your boys had stopped playing football for half a second and got rid of the ball when it was dangerously in your area." I could make only one reply to that:
"What is the good of telling your young players to play football, football, all the time if, as a result of this insistance of playing football no matter what the circumstances are on the field, you blame them for having departed from the code for even a moment?"
I insist that, no matter what the pressure is, they should play that ball as footballers should. I'm not satisfied with even the saving of a goal by wild kicks behind or even out of touch, or even up the field. This is the most dangerous policy any defence can adopt. If a defender kicks the ball wildly up the field when there is a scramble around his own goal, it is more than likely an opponent will get it, and with the defence disorganised, he has another ready-made opportunity of creating another goal chance. So I insist....that, no matter what the circumstances are, that ball should be played out of trouble, played with football."
