mansion tax

[Spurfect11]

Someone showed me a video of that bird from little woods having a pop at ed millepede. Although I don't like Ed, I could not believe what I was hearing.

Myleene Klass was complaining about having to pay a tax (£250 a month) on any house worth over 2 million. This could be paid upon sale or death... Essentially tying it up entirely into assets.

I do wonder what the hell she is talking about. I did laugh when I saw the just giving page to help her pay her mansion tax. What was not so funny was her suggestion that 2 million would barely buy a garage in London. What planet do these people live on? My sister just bought a pretty swish 3 bed flat on London for 600k.

 

[Real Deal]

Just 600k hey 11? lol

Simple really don't buy a property that expensive or big. Nobody needs a mansion to live in. Unless your the Brady bunch.

EX your screwed mate. ;-)

 

[spurdon]

Spurfect11 - 19/11/2014 23:49

Someone showed me a video of that bird from little woods having a pop at ed millepede. Although I don't like Ed, I could not believe what I was hearing.

Myleene Klass was complaining about having to pay a tax (£250 a month) on any house worth over 2 million. This could be paid upon sale or death... Essentially tying it up entirely into assets.

I do wonder what the hell she is talking about. I did laugh when I saw the just giving page to help her pay her mansion tax. What was not so funny was her suggestion that 2 million would barely buy a garage in London. What planet do these people live on? My sister just bought a pretty swish 3 bed flat on London for 600k.

I want to slap her and not in a good way.

 

[Departed]

Don't know about Europe but their is a huge small house movement/trend over here. Take a look at some of these.

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[spursgirl_4_life]

She annoys me. She's one of those people who seems to get away without doing much. She found fame in a manufactured band despite the fact she can't sing very well. Ok, she's talented pianist, but that's not her career. In reality, what does she do that's different to the likes of the lot from The Only Way Is Essex?

She's moaning about the possibilty of paying £250 a month. That's less than what I pay a month in tax on my wages. Bore off, Myleene.

 

[DarthCrooks]

Spurfect said it: you only pay when you sell the property or you peg it.... theres something very distasteful about so-called celebrities playing to the gallery trying to get a cheap round of applause by 'doorstepping' a politician.

theres this huge disconnect between the London moneyed- elite and the rest of society.... they actually do believe that theyre so hard-done by.

 

[Galvin's Shinpads]

As soon as i saw "Myleene Klass", i stopped reading.

 

[Departed]

DarthCrooks - 20/11/2014 13:23

Spurfect said it: you only pay when you sell the property or you peg it.... theres something very distasteful about so-called celebrities playing to the gallery trying to get a cheap round of applause by 'doorstepping' a politician.

theres this huge disconnect between the London moneyed- elite and the rest of society.... they actually do believe that theyre so hard-done by.

It's all relative. :91:

 

[Spurfect11]

Galvin's Shinpads - 20/11/2014 13:27

As soon as i saw "Myleene Klass", i stopped reading.

problem being, a lot of others have come out of the woodwork saying Myleene Klass was correct. These other people probably have a mansion, and moan about tax dodgers / benefits scroungers.

I really don't like Ed Milliband as much as the next guy, but why are trollops like her even invited on such programs?

 

[Spursex]

Real Deal - 20/11/2014 08:39

Just 600k hey 11? lol

Simple really don't buy a property that expensive or big. Nobody needs a mansion to live in. Unless your the Brady bunch.

EX your screwed mate. ;-)

LOL!

As much as I hate to admit it, it really wouldn't bother me too much to have to pay it, I much prefer 'consumption/consumer' taxes rather than broad brush income tax hikes...

Where this tax does falls down of course is the message it sends i.e. let's tax the rich to solve our problems - well everytime that's been tried it's led to an exodus or failed to raise the sums that were projected - so it's good policy that's once again being very badly presented (and presentation is how Ed falls down everytime - he comes across a complete buffon and someone you wouldn't trust your kids pocket money too!)

In all this ''bash the rich approach' let's not forget that the top 1% earners in this country pay more tax than 3 millon employed people added up all together...so if you lose these entrepreneurial types/investors abroad (it's easy to move assets quickly now) then we'll end up in the same mess that France is now in - and it's getting worse for them by the day now because of their 'make the rich pay huge sums more' approach - so we have a VERY CLEAR example of how badly this type of policy can bite you in the arse....

It's worth noting what Allison Pearson said about that night:


" ...So Ed sat there blinking respectfully as Myleene, aided by Sir Christopher and your columnist, chainsawed a key plank of his economic policy...."

"...After the show, when we were all having a glass of fizz, I suggested to Miliband that, instead of the unworkable Mansion Tax, why didn’t he just say he would expand the higher rate council tax band from H to H,I,J.K and L? Everyone in the country could understand that a family in a pleasant detached house in Southampton or Solihull paying exactly the same council tax as some Russian mafioso with a £20 million pile in Mayfair was grotesque...."

“But that’s exactly what I mean!” exclaimed Miliband.

Only it’s not what he said, is it?


See what I mean Ed is a presentation nightmare and labour need to tape his mouth shut or only allow him to follow lines they've already given him - he is an utterly inexperienced fool - and the chances of him leading anything, let alone the labour party are thankfully diminishing by the day - in fact just about everytime he opens his mouth!

 

[Spursex]

Spurfect11 - 20/11/2014 14:59

Galvin's Shinpads - 20/11/2014 13:27

As soon as i saw "Myleene Klass", i stopped reading.

problem being, a lot of others have come out of the woodwork saying Myleene Klass was correct. These other people probably have a mansion, and moan about tax dodgers / benefits scroungers.

I really don't like Ed Milliband as much as the next guy, but why are trollops like her even invited on such programs?

If he can't handle 'trollops' (why is she a trollop by the way - I know nothing of her?!)...then sadly he deserves all the flack he got/gets.

Most people with larger houses/bigger incomes/more assets generally worked their arses off for them and pay small fortunes in direct and indirect tax, so don't be surprised that labours tax plans alarm them - let;s not forget labour has always been a tax and spend government - yet they've openly promised that this time 'they'll be different and can be trusted'...or at least that's what their shadow chancellor is peddling..

 

[Spursex]

here's how smart labour's elite are with sums and money....!!




Labour had the chance to fix problems with the UK's borders

Yvette Cooper's immigration speech was spectacularly disingenuous
Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary

Yvette Cooper announced plans to recruit 1,000 new border staf Photo: EDDIE MULHOLLAND FOR THE TELEGRAPH

By Telegraph View

19 Nov 2014


It has not been a good 24 hours for Labour. First, Ed Miliband found his proposed mansion tax savaged by the unlikely figure of Myleene Klass, on an ITV chat show. Then Yvette Cooper’s new immigration controls were pre-emptively rubbished by the Home Office, which pointed out that, due to a misunderstanding of the nature of the visa waiver scheme, her £10 entry fee for certain new arrivals would fund only 59 new border guards, rather than the promised 1,000.

The bulk of the shadow home secretary’s speech was more convincing, if only marginally. She accepted that excess immigration is a subject of great concern, and offered what she called “practical answers”. Britain should negotiate with Europe to ensure that new arrivals are unable to claim benefits for two years. Exit checks should be reinstated at the borders. It should be impossible to claim benefit for children living overseas while working in Britain. What you get out of the welfare system should be related to what you put in. All immigrants should learn English as a first step to integration. All public sector workers should be expected to speak it.

To which the inevitable question is: why did Labour not do any of this while in power? In the case of exit checks, it was the Blair government that abolished them in the first place. Ms Cooper did accept that Labour had “made mistakes” – but the only one she listed was the failure to introduce transitional controls on Eastern European immigration in 2004.

This is spectacularly disingenuous. While the new arrivals from the east certainly made the problem worse, the numbers arriving had already risen by roughly 200,000 a year since 1997. Equally bizarre is Ms Cooper’s insistence that Labour could somehow negotiate a better deal with the EU than the Tories simply by asking nicely. We saw under Blair and Brown how well that strategy works.

We should not let the Conservatives off the hook, of course. David Cameron and Theresa May have done much to tighten up the immigration system; they might even have met their ill-conceived target to reduce net migration to the “tens of thousands” if the weakness of the European economy had not driven thousands to Britain. But under current EU rules, many of the most important levers remain outside their control. The Prime Minister has promised a major speech in which he will set out his strategy for changing this, as part of his wider EU renegotiation – but there are few signs of that cutting through on the streets of Rochester and Strood. Unless they can present a convincing plan to regain control of the borders, the Tories may well find themselves punished at the ballot box for Labour’s failures.

 

[Spurfect11]

what does any of that ^^^ have to do with the topic at hand?

You do not need to convince me Labour are incompetant, but in this case I am wondering why Ed should have to waste his time talking to these losers.

I'd rather he'd debated with someone who actually knew what the mansion tax and demographic background was, maybe some good points would have come out of it.

 

[Spursex]

Spurfect11 - 20/11/2014 15:23

what does any of that ^^^ have to do with the topic at hand?

You do not need to convince me Labour are incompetant, but in this case I am wondering why Ed should have to waste his time talking to these losers.

I'd rather he'd debated with someone who actually knew what the mansion tax and demographic background was, maybe some good points would have come out of it.

The mansion tax is to being peddled as a way to have a direct relationship between a specific tax and public spending (in this case, Ed is saying it would all go to 'extra' funding for the NHS)..and of course he utterly got it wrong on how much the projection is it would raise and what difference it would make to the NHS..

and so the article above shows how they've attempted to use the same ploy and yet again getting it's sums wrong...

That's the connection.

So, I ask again why is she a 'trollop?'...!!

 

[spurdon]

Spursex - 20/11/2014 15:10

Spurfect11 - 20/11/2014 14:59

Galvin's Shinpads - 20/11/2014 13:27

As soon as i saw "Myleene Klass", i stopped reading.

problem being, a lot of others have come out of the woodwork saying Myleene Klass was correct. These other people probably have a mansion, and moan about tax dodgers / benefits scroungers.

I really don't like Ed Milliband as much as the next guy, but why are trollops like her even invited on such programs?

If he can't handle 'trollops' (why is she a trollop by the way - I know nothing of her?!)...then sadly he deserves all the flack he got/gets.

Most people with larger houses/bigger incomes/more assets generally worked their arses off for them and pay small fortunes in direct and indirect tax, so don't be surprised that labours tax plans alarm them - let;s not forget labour has always been a tax and spend government - yet they've openly promised that this time 'they'll be different and can be trusted'...or at least that's what their shadow chancellor is peddling..

Yes only wealthy people work hard (what is it with you people and this shit) the bloke on three jobs making less than minimum he is doing sweet F-all clearly. :29:

 

[Spursex]

spurdon - 20/11/2014 17:31

Spursex - 20/11/2014 15:10

Spurfect11 - 20/11/2014 14:59

Galvin's Shinpads - 20/11/2014 13:27

As soon as i saw "Myleene Klass", i stopped reading.

problem being, a lot of others have come out of the woodwork saying Myleene Klass was correct. These other people probably have a mansion, and moan about tax dodgers / benefits scroungers.

I really don't like Ed Milliband as much as the next guy, but why are trollops like her even invited on such programs?

If he can't handle 'trollops' (why is she a trollop by the way - I know nothing of her?!)...then sadly he deserves all the flack he got/gets.

Most people with larger houses/bigger incomes/more assets generally worked their arses off for them and pay small fortunes in direct and indirect tax, so don't be surprised that labours tax plans alarm them - let;s not forget labour has always been a tax and spend government - yet they've openly promised that this time 'they'll be different and can be trusted'...or at least that's what their shadow chancellor is peddling..

Yes only wealthy people work hard (what is it with you people and this shit) the bloke on three jobs making less than minimum he is doing sweet F-all clearly. :29:

I've never said that others don't work hard - only that they pay extra tax for being good at it...the implication in all these approaches always seems to be that they got 'rich' by chance....and most didn't, most worked their fciking arses off and took risks and gambles that others woouldn't or didn't.

less that 3000 of our top earners pay more tax than 9 million lower paid workers...chase them away and we'd soon all be royally fcuked.

By the way, what's less than 'minimum'? - do you mean minimum wage?

 

[DarthCrooks]

.... chase them away and you'd have employment-levels and social-progression to match Germany...

generally speaking, the bigger the income-differentials between strata of society, the more backward they then to be.... the 3000 to 9m stat sounds like something a 3rd-world country would have.

 

[spurdon]

Spursex - 20/11/2014 18:19

spurdon - 20/11/2014 17:31

Spursex - 20/11/2014 15:10

Spurfect11 - 20/11/2014 14:59

Galvin's Shinpads - 20/11/2014 13:27

As soon as i saw "Myleene Klass", i stopped reading.

problem being, a lot of others have come out of the woodwork saying Myleene Klass was correct. These other people probably have a mansion, and moan about tax dodgers / benefits scroungers.

I really don't like Ed Milliband as much as the next guy, but why are trollops like her even invited on such programs?

If he can't handle 'trollops' (why is she a trollop by the way - I know nothing of her?!)...then sadly he deserves all the flack he got/gets.

Most people with larger houses/bigger incomes/more assets generally worked their arses off for them and pay small fortunes in direct and indirect tax, so don't be surprised that labours tax plans alarm them - let;s not forget labour has always been a tax and spend government - yet they've openly promised that this time 'they'll be different and can be trusted'...or at least that's what their shadow chancellor is peddling..

Yes only wealthy people work hard (what is it with you people and this shit) the bloke on three jobs making less than minimum he is doing sweet F-all clearly. :29:

I've never said that others don't work hard - only that they pay extra tax for being good at it...the implication in all these approaches always seems to be that they got 'rich' by chance....and most didn't, most worked their fciking arses off and took risks and gambles that others woouldn't or didn't.

less that 3000 of our top earners pay more tax than 9 million lower paid workers...chase them away and we'd soon all be royally fcuked.

By the way, what's less than 'minimum'? - do you mean minimum wage?

No you never said it EX but the constant implication by people who are wealthy that somehow they really are just working harder, in this grand old meritocracy we have built is clear, It is also utter BS. Let me be clear I am a higher rate tax payer and can also recall not so long ago having only the clothes I was wearing. So I know of what I speak. When I was office cleaning and kitchen porter, I was working a damn site harder than I do now. And yes I mean less than minimum wage.

 

[spurdon]

spurdon - 20/11/2014 19:34

Spursex - 20/11/2014 18:19

spurdon - 20/11/2014 17:31

Spursex - 20/11/2014 15:10

Spurfect11 - 20/11/2014 14:59

Galvin's Shinpads - 20/11/2014 13:27

As soon as i saw "Myleene Klass", i stopped reading.

problem being, a lot of others have come out of the woodwork saying Myleene Klass was correct. These other people probably have a mansion, and moan about tax dodgers / benefits scroungers.

I really don't like Ed Milliband as much as the next guy, but why are trollops like her even invited on such programs?

If he can't handle 'trollops' (why is she a trollop by the way - I know nothing of her?!)...then sadly he deserves all the flack he got/gets.

Most people with larger houses/bigger incomes/more assets generally worked their arses off for them and pay small fortunes in direct and indirect tax, so don't be surprised that labours tax plans alarm them - let;s not forget labour has always been a tax and spend government - yet they've openly promised that this time 'they'll be different and can be trusted'...or at least that's what their shadow chancellor is peddling..

Yes only wealthy people work hard (what is it with you people and this shit) the bloke on three jobs making less than minimum he is doing sweet F-all clearly. :29:

I've never said that others don't work hard - only that they pay extra tax for being good at it...the implication in all these approaches always seems to be that they got 'rich' by chance....and most didn't, most worked their fciking arses off and took risks and gambles that others woouldn't or didn't.

less that 3000 of our top earners pay more tax than 9 million lower paid workers...chase them away and we'd soon all be royally fcuked.

By the way, what's less than 'minimum'? - do you mean minimum wage?

No you never said it EX but the constant implication by people who are wealthy that somehow they really are just working harder, in this grand old meritocracy we have built is clear. It is also utter BS. Let me be clear, I am a higher rate tax payer, and can also recall not so long ago having only the clothes I was wearing. So I know of what I speak. When I was office cleaning and working kitchens, I was working a damn site harder than I do now. You would die laughing if you knew how I make a living. I also think it's a bit rich (excuse the pun) being sensitive bout the portrayal of the entrepreneurial class as opposed to the poor, who are constantly shat on from a great height. And yes I meant less than minimum wage.

 

[Spursex]

spurdon - 20/11/2014 19:41

spurdon - 20/11/2014 19:34

Spursex - 20/11/2014 18:19

spurdon - 20/11/2014 17:31

Spursex - 20/11/2014 15:10

Spurfect11 - 20/11/2014 14:59

Galvin's Shinpads - 20/11/2014 13:27

As soon as i saw "Myleene Klass", i stopped reading.

problem being, a lot of others have come out of the woodwork saying Myleene Klass was correct. These other people probably have a mansion, and moan about tax dodgers / benefits scroungers.

I really don't like Ed Milliband as much as the next guy, but why are trollops like her even invited on such programs?

If he can't handle 'trollops' (why is she a trollop by the way - I know nothing of her?!)...then sadly he deserves all the flack he got/gets.

Most people with larger houses/bigger incomes/more assets generally worked their arses off for them and pay small fortunes in direct and indirect tax, so don't be surprised that labours tax plans alarm them - let;s not forget labour has always been a tax and spend government - yet they've openly promised that this time 'they'll be different and can be trusted'...or at least that's what their shadow chancellor is peddling..

Yes only wealthy people work hard (what is it with you people and this shit) the bloke on three jobs making less than minimum he is doing sweet F-all clearly. :29:

I've never said that others don't work hard - only that they pay extra tax for being good at it...the implication in all these approaches always seems to be that they got 'rich' by chance....and most didn't, most worked their fciking arses off and took risks and gambles that others woouldn't or didn't.

less that 3000 of our top earners pay more tax than 9 million lower paid workers...chase them away and we'd soon all be royally fcuked.

By the way, what's less than 'minimum'? - do you mean minimum wage?

No you never said it EX but the constant implication by people who are wealthy that somehow they really are just working harder, in this grand old meritocracy we have built is clear. It is also utter BS. Let me be clear, I am a higher rate tax payer, and can also recall not so long ago having only the clothes I was wearing. So I know of what I speak. When I was office cleaning and working kitchens, I was working a damn site harder than I do now. You would die laughing if you knew how I make a living. I also think it's a bit rich (excuse the pun) being sensitive bout the portrayal of the entrepreneurial class as opposed to the poor, who are constantly shat on from a great height. And yes I meant less than minimum wage.

We all have stories of humble/tough beginnings - it's probably what makes us so driven - and for the record, I just get sick to death of those that think that 'it's alright for you', we'll just keep taking more and more - as if anything that I've built and earned was given out with a box of smarties' - I'm sick of seeing socialist politicians ignoring the real problems by taking and splashing other peoples money around, instead of addressing the core causes., and yes most of the time that's meant shating on the very people who build business, employ people and pay the bulk of the taxes in this country (it's also why I get so het up about tax evaders)..

Why do you think I'd laugh at what you do? Making money and building businesses is never a laughing matter, even if the uniformed think it is.

How does someone earn less than the minimum age unless they're not properly or legally employed? If you're suggesting that the minimum wage isn't enough - I'd agree and I think we should have adopted a living wage as the baseline years and years ago.