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Immigrants? We sent out search parties to get them to come... and made it hard for Britons to get work, says Mandelson


Former minister admits Labour deliberately engineered mass immigration

Between 1997 and 2010 net migration to Britain totalled 2.2million
By Tim Shipman

PUBLISHED:01:10, 14 May 2013 | UPDATED:10:39, 14 May 2013

'We were sending out search parties for people': Former Labour Cabinet Minister Peter Mandelson has admitted that his party actively encouraged immigration to the UK while in government

Labour sent out ‘search parties’ for immigrants to get them to come to the UK, Lord Mandelson has admitted.

In a stunning confirmation that the Blair and Brown governments deliberately engineered mass immigration, the former Cabinet Minister and spin doctor said New Labour sought out foreign workers.

He also conceded that the influx of arrivals meant the party’s traditional supporters are now unable to find work.

By contrast, Labour leader Ed Miliband has said his party got it wrong on immigration but has refused to admit it was too high under Labour.

Between 1997 and 2010, net migration to Britain totalled more than 2.2million, more than twice the population of Birmingham.

The annual net figure quadrupled under Labour from 48,000 people in 1997 to 198,000 by 2009.

Lord Mandelson’s remarks come three years after Labour officials denied claims by former adviser Andrew Neather that they deliberately encouraged immigration in order to change the make-up of Britain.

Mr Neather said the policy was designed to ‘rub the Right’s nose in diversity’.

He said there was ‘a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural’.

Senior Labour figures have been reluctant to concede they deliberately engineered the influx of migrants who have transformed communities over the past decade.

But, at a rally for the Blairite think-tank Progress, Lord Mandelson said: ‘In 2004 when as a Labour government, we were not only welcoming people to come into this country to work, we were sending out search parties for people and encouraging them, in some cases, to take up work in this country.’

He said: ‘The problem has grown during the period of economic stagnation over the last five, six years.’


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When Labour encouraged new arrivals ‘we were almost ... a full employment economy’ but, he admitted: ‘The situation is different obviously now.

‘We have to just realise... entry to the labour market of many people of non-British origin is hard for people who are finding it very difficult to find jobs, who find it hard to keep jobs.

‘For these people immigration tends to loom large in their lives and in their worlds, now that is an inescapable fact, and we have to understand it, address it, engage with people in discussion about it.’


Mr Mandelson's admission that New Labour sought out foreign workers is a stunning confirmation that governments led by Tony Blair, left, and Gordon Brown, right, deliberately engineered mass immigration

His words are far franker than Mr Miliband’s. Asked earlier this month whether ‘too many people were allowed to come’, he replied: ‘I wouldn’t put it that way, no.’


MANDELSON NOW... AND THEN

'I think we have to realise that the entry of migrants to the labour market is hard for people who are finding it very difficult to get jobs, or to keep jobs'

Lord Mandelson yesterday

'Migrants are filling gaps in our labour market that Britons are not available to fill or unwilling to fill. There has not been an adverse effect on employment of British nationals'
Mandelson in March 2009.

Tory chairman Grant Shapps said: ‘Peter Mandelson’s candid admission that Labour were purposefully letting immigration spiral out of control when in government is yet another damning indictment on their record on immigration.’

Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch said: ‘This is an astonishing admission from the highest level that Labour’s mass immigration policy was entirely deliberate.

‘It will be a very long time before their own working class supporters forgive them for the enormous changes that have been imposed on their communities.’

Gordon Brown yesterday accused the Tories of emulating Enoch Powell by using immigration to head off the growing electoral threat from UKIP.


Mr Powell’s 1968 ‘rivers of blood’ speech ignited huge controversy in the debate on immigration.

Former prime minister Mr Brown – who once called for ‘British jobs for British workers’ – told a pro-union rally in Glasgow: ‘A party that was anti-Powellite on immigration is now becoming very close to being Powellite on that issue.’


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This is playing to the gallery.

You can't have it all. You cannot headhunt the best foreign minds/people for every sector and get them in to take up a role, then complain when a less educated native doesn't get the job.
 
Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 13:25

This is playing to the gallery.

You can't have it all. You cannot headhunt the best foreign minds/people for every sector and get them in to take up a role, then complain when a less educated native doesn't get the job.

Who says you can't headhunt the best?! That's ridiculous.

The issue is that we allowed mass inwards immigration by unskilled migrants, which is what did happen and we're now paying the price for it..

Skilled inwards migration is to be welcomed, in fact it is to be encouraged, but that's not what labour were doing - as they now freely admit.
 
Spursex - 14/5/2013 13:30

Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 13:25

This is playing to the gallery.

You can't have it all. You cannot headhunt the best foreign minds/people for every sector and get them in to take up a role, then complain when a less educated native doesn't get the job.

Who says you can't headhunt the best?! That's ridiculous.

The issue is that we allowed mass inwards immigration by unskilled migrants, which is what did happen and we're now paying the price for it..

Skilled inwards migration is to be welcomed, in fact it is to be encouraged, but that's not what labour were doing - as they now freely admit.

I suggest you think about my sentence "You cannot headhunt the best foreign minds/people for every sector and get them in to take up a role, then complain when a less educated native doesn't get the job." in it's entirety, before calling it ridiculous!

And it wasn't the unskilled immigrants who took all the jobs.

Besides, this is the age-old stick the right-wing use to whack the reputations of the immigrants. Awful stuff.
 
I would say that was pretty obvious judging by the amount of immigration increase we had under those 2. I always thought that the agenda was to get into the country extra socialist voters, which immigrants would most likely be, especially if they were hand picked or canvassed for.
 
Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 14:04

Spursex - 14/5/2013 13:30

Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 13:25

This is playing to the gallery.

You can't have it all. You cannot headhunt the best foreign minds/people for every sector and get them in to take up a role, then complain when a less educated native doesn't get the job.

Who says you can't headhunt the best?! That's ridiculous.

The issue is that we allowed mass inwards immigration by unskilled migrants, which is what did happen and we're now paying the price for it..

Skilled inwards migration is to be welcomed, in fact it is to be encouraged, but that's not what labour were doing - as they now freely admit.

I suggest you think about my sentence "You cannot headhunt the best foreign minds/people for every sector and get them in to take up a role, then complain when a less educated native doesn't get the job." in it's entirety, before calling it ridiculous!

And it wasn't the unskilled immigrants who took all the jobs.

Besides, this is the age-old stick the right-wing use to whack the reputations of the immigrants. Awful stuff.

I thought about it and it's still a ridiculous statement. It's nonsensical and bears no truth to the reality.
 
Welshtel - 14/5/2013 14:33

I would say that was pretty obvious judging by the amount of immigration increase we had under those 2. I always thought that the agenda was to get into the country extra socialist voters, which immigrants would most likely be, especially if they were hand picked or canvassed for.

"I always thought that the agenda was to get into the country extra socialist voters, which immigrants would most likely be"

That's a Tea-Party statement right there!
 
Spursex - 14/5/2013 14:37

Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 14:04

Spursex - 14/5/2013 13:30

Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 13:25

This is playing to the gallery.

You can't have it all. You cannot headhunt the best foreign minds/people for every sector and get them in to take up a role, then complain when a less educated native doesn't get the job.

Who says you can't headhunt the best?! That's ridiculous.

The issue is that we allowed mass inwards immigration by unskilled migrants, which is what did happen and we're now paying the price for it..

Skilled inwards migration is to be welcomed, in fact it is to be encouraged, but that's not what labour were doing - as they now freely admit.

I suggest you think about my sentence "You cannot headhunt the best foreign minds/people for every sector and get them in to take up a role, then complain when a less educated native doesn't get the job." in it's entirety, before calling it ridiculous!

And it wasn't the unskilled immigrants who took all the jobs.

Besides, this is the age-old stick the right-wing use to whack the reputations of the immigrants. Awful stuff.

I thought about it and it's still a ridiculous statement. It's nonsensical and bears no truth to the reality.

Please, for the love of god, tell me what you don't understand!!!!

I can make it no clearer. I NEVER said you cannot head hunt anyone.

I said, You cannot have it both ways. You cannot headhunt the best foreigners and then complain when the less well-educated natives don't get the jobs.

AKA, you've got the best from abroad, don't complain when the locals can't get the positions.

Jesus, how do you not understand that?? :13:
 
Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 14:39

Welshtel - 14/5/2013 14:33

I would say that was pretty obvious judging by the amount of immigration increase we had under those 2. I always thought that the agenda was to get into the country extra socialist voters, which immigrants would most likely be, especially if they were hand picked or canvassed for.

"I always thought that the agenda was to get into the country extra socialist voters, which immigrants would most likely be"

That's a Tea-Party statement right there!

But, he's been proved right.
 
But once again EX, you have created a thread to stir up anti-immigrant logic.

It's funny for a while but your pot-shots at a past Labour regime is only self-contradictory, when you preach on other threads to "move on" when say, people slate past Thatcher wrong-doings.
 
Spursex - 14/5/2013 14:42

Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 14:39

Welshtel - 14/5/2013 14:33

I would say that was pretty obvious judging by the amount of immigration increase we had under those 2. I always thought that the agenda was to get into the country extra socialist voters, which immigrants would most likely be, especially if they were hand picked or canvassed for.

"I always thought that the agenda was to get into the country extra socialist voters, which immigrants would most likely be"

That's a Tea-Party statement right there!

But, he's been proved right.

And now you are positioning yourself with the Tea Party stance.
Frightening.
 
Galvin it is widely acknowledged that immigration is changing the political landscape in many countries. In many cases it can be directly linked to changes in voting patterns.
 
80deg16minW - 14/5/2013 15:09

Galvin it is widely acknowledged that immigration is changing the political landscape in many countries. In many cases it can be directly linked to changes in voting patterns.

And that is socialist...how??
 
Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 15:11

80deg16minW - 14/5/2013 15:09

Galvin it is widely acknowledged that immigration is changing the political landscape in many countries. In many cases it can be directly linked to changes in voting patterns.

And that is socialist...how??

Uhh......that wasn't my point. In Canada we are seeing a shift to the right due to immigration. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pointing out that the immigration policy followed by Labour was intended to boost their vote. Especially when it has been admitted that that was the case. I wouldn't call using immigration to boost your vote a socialist tactic but in this case (assuming Labour and Socialism are the same thing) it was a tactic used by socialists.
 
80deg16minW - 14/5/2013 15:19

Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 15:11

80deg16minW - 14/5/2013 15:09

Galvin it is widely acknowledged that immigration is changing the political landscape in many countries. In many cases it can be directly linked to changes in voting patterns.

And that is socialist...how??

Uhh......that wasn't my point. In Canada we are seeing a shift to the right due to immigration. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pointing out that the immigration policy followed by Labour was intended to boost their vote. Especially when it has been admitted that that was the case. I wouldn't call using immigration to boost your vote a socialist tactic but in this case (assuming Labour and Socialism are the same thing) it was a tactic used by socialists.

But 80, that was Tel's point, then EX's. The British Labour Party are not socialists. Not anymore anyways. Certainly not under Blair/Brown.
There is not much separating them from the Conservative Party these days.
Considering the same Civil Servants ran the country under both administrations, there really isn't much to differentiate.

Woah, this is getting difficult.
 
Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 15:24

80deg16minW - 14/5/2013 15:19

Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 15:11

80deg16minW - 14/5/2013 15:09

Galvin it is widely acknowledged that immigration is changing the political landscape in many countries. In many cases it can be directly linked to changes in voting patterns.

And that is socialist...how??

Uhh......that wasn't my point. In Canada we are seeing a shift to the right due to immigration. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pointing out that the immigration policy followed by Labour was intended to boost their vote. Especially when it has been admitted that that was the case. I wouldn't call using immigration to boost your vote a socialist tactic but in this case (assuming Labour and Socialism are the same thing) it was a tactic used by socialists.

But 80, that was Tel's point, then EX's. The British Labour Party are not socialists. Not anymore anyways. Certainly not under Blair/Brown.
There is not much separating them from the Conservative Party these days.
Considering the same Civil Servants ran the country under both administrations, there really isn't much to differentiate.

Woah, this is getting difficult.

No it is not difficult. You just made the point that I have been trying to make for ages. There isn't any ideology at work. Just a broken system that, in truth, the bureaucrats control. A pragmatic approach to what works and what doesn't (and if it doesn't get rid of it immediately) is the only thing that will save us. The perceived differences are more or less mouthed platitudes to deceive voters into thinking there is a difference.

In Ontario, the current Liberal minority gov't needed to get their budget through so they agreed to a demand from the New Democrats (our labour) to lower car insurance premiums by 15%. 2 days after the budget was approved in the house the Liberals said it won't be able to be done. The NDP aren't even outraged? Posturing at its best. This happened 2 weeks ago.
 
Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 14:46

But once again EX, you have created a thread to stir up anti-immigrant logic.

It's funny for a while but your pot-shots at a past Labour regime is only self-contradictory, when you preach on other threads to "move on" when say, people slate past Thatcher wrong-doings.

Silly again Galvin - it isn't to 'stir-up anti-immigration' logic, it's a major HUGE admission by Mandelson (was he stirring up anti-immigration 'logic'?!)..it proves that what I was saying was exactly right.

Mass unskilled immigration undermines positive immigration, just as I said it would....and now it's been proved to do just that.

This isn't a subject to 'move-on' it's current and it's factual, but you are right it does underline and confirm that we cannot trust labour to be either decent or honest - ever!!

Labour spent much of it's time name calling anyone that dared question their antics, but now at long last we can have an open honest debate about how our immigration controls should be going forward the problem will now be making a case for ANY inwards immigration given what Mandelson has finally admitted.
 
Spursex - 14/5/2013 18:52

Galvin's Shinpads - 14/5/2013 14:46

But once again EX, you have created a thread to stir up anti-immigrant logic.

It's funny for a while but your pot-shots at a past Labour regime is only self-contradictory, when you preach on other threads to "move on" when say, people slate past Thatcher wrong-doings.

Silly again Galvin - it isn't to 'stir-up anti-immigration' logic, it's a major HUGE admission by Mandelson (was he stirring up anti-immigration 'logic'?!)..it proves that what I was saying was exactly right.

Mass unskilled immigration undermines positive immigration, just as I said it would....and now it's been proved to do just that.

This isn't a subject to 'move-on' it's current and it's factual, but you are right it does underline and confirm that we cannot trust labour to be either decent or honest - ever!!

Labour spent much of it's time name calling anyone that dared question their antics, but now at long last we can have an open honest debate about how our immigration controls should be going forward the problem will now be making a case for ANY inwards immigration given what Mandelson has finally admitted.

A lot of problems in the US can be attributed to the immigration of massive amounts of unskilled labour.