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Not sure whether anyone fancies a read but I'll post it anyway!

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A letter to the Chief Executive Officer of the English Football League
SST Secretary
c/o 3 Lincoln Place
Macclesfield

Cheshire

SK10 3EW

Mr David Baldwin
Chief Executive Officer
English Football League
EFL House
10-12 West Cliff
Preston
PR1 8HU

Dear Mr Baldwin

Macclesfield Town Football Club (MTFC) are a small town football club within a hotbed of Premiership clubs in the North West, and one with a proud heritagedating back to 1874. The "against all odds" mentality that pervades our club has seen MTFC achieve promotion to the English Football League (EFL) on two occasions, and on much smaller budgets than many of its peers.

It is further use to note that in this day and age where there is a great concern about the lack of Black Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) coaches and managers in English football within the game, Macclesfield has appointed 3 BAME managers and a number of BAME coaches during their tenure in the ELF.

Please be assured that the overwhelming majority of Macclesfield Town Football Club (MTFC) Silkmen fans including the Silkmen Supporters Trust (SST) board, would be the first to admit that the stewardship of our beloved club by majority shareholder Mr. AlKadhi has been heartbreakingly horrendous. Silkmen fans everywhere despise his mismanagement of the club and in addition to his contemptuous attitude towards the club’s playing and non-playing staff and of course our long suffering supporters. It is our view that the actions of Mr. AlKhadi have clearly angered the English Football League (EFL), and as a result of his actions MTFC have been rightly docked points for this mismanagement., The recent re-involvement of former Silkmen chairman Mark Blower who played a major role in MTFC's defence at the recent independent panel hearing, had subsequently pointed to a more secure future for our beloved club both on and off the field with an inspiration of a fully operational board dedicated to effective governance of MTFC going forward.

The SST would like to place on record our frustration by the EFL's apparent inability and unwillingness to deal with the actions of appalling owners which have been manifest this season with the cases of Bury and now sadly Wigan. The SST have appealed for help on behalf of the fans, players and community, and have found the EFL to be unsympathetic and largely unresp;onsive. The lack of action on the appeals relating to staff mental healthhave been particularly galling..

The last disciplinary hearing held by an Independent Panel against MTFC made their decision after considering all the evidence and this should be respected. It must be pointed out that the decision was made considering the flawed way points per game (PPG) was calculated. MTFC were in effect deducted 16 points not 13, as recommended by the panel. A comparable analogy to this is a criminal sentenced to 18 months in prison who on arrival at the point of incarceration is told "forget what your sentence is, it is now 2 years" without rhythm nor reason. This is against English Law and legal advice appears to be on the side of MTFC.

It is our view that the EFL are inconsistent to say the least. Stevenage avoided a points deduction following an independent panel's decision, regarding a postponement of a fixture against Oldham Athletic where it was cited that three Stevenage players were identified for international call ups when only two were alleged to be eligible to be counted. Where was the EFL appeal? Southend another serial offender of paying wages late received a suspended point deduction. Again, where was the EFL appeal? These follow the imposition of no points reduction to Bolton Wanderers for missing two games.

The last two weeks have seen a publicity orchestrated campaign by members of the EFL to get Macclesfield demoted, an action the EFL well knows would obliterate the club. The prime orchestrator has been Mr. Philip Wallace of Stevenage, along with others including Mr. Philip Day of Grimsby. We believe that it is disgraceful, that the EFL board representative for League Two, Mr. John Nixon who sits at the high table of the EFL hierarchy, and who should surely provide an unbiased approach to all League 2 clubs; highlighted on social media that such was his indignation at the recent independent panel's decision regarding MTFC, that he was considering resigning from his aforementioned role. Is this the way the EFL conducts its business? The SST has seen no evidence of him demonstrating denial of his apparent ire since this time. The self-righteous indignation from Mr. Nixon was palpably silent following the decision on Stevenage, not to mention inrespect of the PPG calculation that effectively saw the SIlkmen receive a further three point eduction.

It is of further use to note that on the 6th March 2020 Carlisle’s Chief Executive Nigel Clibbens spoke of how "on discussions and deliberations of [Macclesfield], penalties etc, [Mr. Nixon] does not participate, except to simply collect League Two views and pass them to the EFL." The above statement from the Cumbrians Chief Executive appears to have fallen on deaf ears to Mr. Nixon, and the SST would politely request that the EFL provide us with an outline of Mr. Nixon’s role as the League 2 representative, and your explanations to how his recent actions can in any way be seen as reasonable and unbiased.

The decision of the EFL to appeal against the independent decision now appears to be a witch hunt towards MTFC. Stevenage only managed to win three games in the 2019/20 season and were clearly the worst performing team in the division and deserved relegation. The independent panel made its decision and, as in the cases highlighted above, that decision should be accepted by the EFL

In order to understand what is happening could the EFL please answer the following questions:

What date is the appeal to take place on?
On what grounds are the EFL appealing? Has any undisclosed evidence come to light?
Has the EFL been pressureised into the appeal by the owners of other League 2 clubs If so, by how many and who?
Why has the EFL only appealed the MTFC decision?
Does the EFL want to remove MTFC from League 2 because of the mismanagement of its owner?
It is clear that the PPG has been rigged to remove MTFC from League 2. WIll the EFL produce the full minutes of the PPG meeting together with all the relevant comments from League 2 clubs to a Parliamentary committee?
Why can't the EFL sanction miscreant owners rather than clubs?
The EFL were supplied with information from the SST and knew the problems that MTFC were having. In particular the SST highlighted the concern that the owner was taking money out of the club. Would it not have been more sensible to help the club and pay the wages directly?
Could you provide the SST with an outline of the context of MR. Nixon's role as the League 2 representative and could you please provide a view as to whether Mr. Nixon's recent actions can in any way be seen as reasonable and unbiased?


I look forward to your prompt response.

Yours Faithfully

Andy Worth

Chairperson SST

Copy to:

Nigel Huddleston MP Minister of Sport
Damian Collins MP
Lisa Nandy MP
Davi Rutley MP
 
I have a headache after trying to follow that. The EFL is not fit for purpose we all know that. However, Macclesfield's claim that Stevenage should go down because they were the worst over the season having only won 3 games misses the point that they cheated and if the penalty puts them below Stevenage so be it or what is the point of the penalty. Wigan will be appealing their 12 points on that basis. Scotty got the solution in another thread. Stop cheating then at the end of the season we know who is up and who is down without the intervention of the Lawyers. I am sick to death of clubs moaning about the EFL being responsible for the state of their clubs due to owners passing the fit and proper test. Their needs to be due diligence by the clubs before new owners take over and long before it gets to the EFL for their approval.
 
Perhaps ALL points deductions for ANY club in future, should be applied at the start of the following season. That way we avoid the current multiple farcical situations that we are seeing re Wigan, Sheffield Wednesday, Derby & Macclesfield where despite the seasons end, we still do not know who gets relegated.
 
Perhaps we should have two EFL leagues and one re-cycle bin league where all teams accused of cheating can automatically be put at the start of the next season, have their own competition while their self induced messes are sorted out and whoever wins can be let back into the bottom tier of the EFL.

OK I'm being sarcastic but at least it would stop all the arguing about if/when/how penalties are to be applied followed by the interminable appeals and bleating. At the rate we're going there will be enough sides to fill it.

Meanwhile the rest of the leagues could get on with meaningful football.
 
I don't think Macc are quite in the same 'cheats' league as the likes of Wednesday or Derby though. As far as I'm aware they are just badly run and haven't paid all their wages. It's not like they are trying creative accounting tricks to get round wage regulations...
 
Not sure whether anyone fancies a read but I'll post it anyway!

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A letter to the Chief Executive Officer of the English Football League
SST Secretary
c/o 3 Lincoln Place
Macclesfield

Cheshire

SK10 3EW

Mr David Baldwin
Chief Executive Officer
English Football League
EFL House
10-12 West Cliff
Preston
PR1 8HU

Dear Mr Baldwin

Macclesfield Town Football Club (MTFC) are a small town football club within a hotbed of Premiership clubs in the North West, and one with a proud heritagedating back to 1874. The "against all odds" mentality that pervades our club has seen MTFC achieve promotion to the English Football League (EFL) on two occasions, and on much smaller budgets than many of its peers.

It is further use to note that in this day and age where there is a great concern about the lack of Black Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) coaches and managers in English football within the game, Macclesfield has appointed 3 BAME managers and a number of BAME coaches during their tenure in the ELF.

Please be assured that the overwhelming majority of Macclesfield Town Football Club (MTFC) Silkmen fans including the Silkmen Supporters Trust (SST) board, would be the first to admit that the stewardship of our beloved club by majority shareholder Mr. AlKadhi has been heartbreakingly horrendous. Silkmen fans everywhere despise his mismanagement of the club and in addition to his contemptuous attitude towards the club’s playing and non-playing staff and of course our long suffering supporters. It is our view that the actions of Mr. AlKhadi have clearly angered the English Football League (EFL), and as a result of his actions MTFC have been rightly docked points for this mismanagement., The recent re-involvement of former Silkmen chairman Mark Blower who played a major role in MTFC's defence at the recent independent panel hearing, had subsequently pointed to a more secure future for our beloved club both on and off the field with an inspiration of a fully operational board dedicated to effective governance of MTFC going forward.

The SST would like to place on record our frustration by the EFL's apparent inability and unwillingness to deal with the actions of appalling owners which have been manifest this season with the cases of Bury and now sadly Wigan. The SST have appealed for help on behalf of the fans, players and community, and have found the EFL to be unsympathetic and largely unresp;onsive. The lack of action on the appeals relating to staff mental healthhave been particularly galling..

The last disciplinary hearing held by an Independent Panel against MTFC made their decision after considering all the evidence and this should be respected. It must be pointed out that the decision was made considering the flawed way points per game (PPG) was calculated. MTFC were in effect deducted 16 points not 13, as recommended by the panel. A comparable analogy to this is a criminal sentenced to 18 months in prison who on arrival at the point of incarceration is told "forget what your sentence is, it is now 2 years" without rhythm nor reason. This is against English Law and legal advice appears to be on the side of MTFC.

It is our view that the EFL are inconsistent to say the least. Stevenage avoided a points deduction following an independent panel's decision, regarding a postponement of a fixture against Oldham Athletic where it was cited that three Stevenage players were identified for international call ups when only two were alleged to be eligible to be counted. Where was the EFL appeal? Southend another serial offender of paying wages late received a suspended point deduction. Again, where was the EFL appeal? These follow the imposition of no points reduction to Bolton Wanderers for missing two games.

The last two weeks have seen a publicity orchestrated campaign by members of the EFL to get Macclesfield demoted, an action the EFL well knows would obliterate the club. The prime orchestrator has been Mr. Philip Wallace of Stevenage, along with others including Mr. Philip Day of Grimsby. We believe that it is disgraceful, that the EFL board representative for League Two, Mr. John Nixon who sits at the high table of the EFL hierarchy, and who should surely provide an unbiased approach to all League 2 clubs; highlighted on social media that such was his indignation at the recent independent panel's decision regarding MTFC, that he was considering resigning from his aforementioned role. Is this the way the EFL conducts its business? The SST has seen no evidence of him demonstrating denial of his apparent ire since this time. The self-righteous indignation from Mr. Nixon was palpably silent following the decision on Stevenage, not to mention inrespect of the PPG calculation that effectively saw the SIlkmen receive a further three point eduction.

It is of further use to note that on the 6th March 2020 Carlisle’s Chief Executive Nigel Clibbens spoke of how "on discussions and deliberations of [Macclesfield], penalties etc, [Mr. Nixon] does not participate, except to simply collect League Two views and pass them to the EFL." The above statement from the Cumbrians Chief Executive appears to have fallen on deaf ears to Mr. Nixon, and the SST would politely request that the EFL provide us with an outline of Mr. Nixon’s role as the League 2 representative, and your explanations to how his recent actions can in any way be seen as reasonable and unbiased.

The decision of the EFL to appeal against the independent decision now appears to be a witch hunt towards MTFC. Stevenage only managed to win three games in the 2019/20 season and were clearly the worst performing team in the division and deserved relegation. The independent panel made its decision and, as in the cases highlighted above, that decision should be accepted by the EFL

In order to understand what is happening could the EFL please answer the following questions:

What date is the appeal to take place on?
On what grounds are the EFL appealing? Has any undisclosed evidence come to light?
Has the EFL been pressureised into the appeal by the owners of other League 2 clubs If so, by how many and who?
Why has the EFL only appealed the MTFC decision?
Does the EFL want to remove MTFC from League 2 because of the mismanagement of its owner?
It is clear that the PPG has been rigged to remove MTFC from League 2. WIll the EFL produce the full minutes of the PPG meeting together with all the relevant comments from League 2 clubs to a Parliamentary committee?
Why can't the EFL sanction miscreant owners rather than clubs?
The EFL were supplied with information from the SST and knew the problems that MTFC were having. In particular the SST highlighted the concern that the owner was taking money out of the club. Would it not have been more sensible to help the club and pay the wages directly?
Could you provide the SST with an outline of the context of MR. Nixon's role as the League 2 representative and could you please provide a view as to whether Mr. Nixon's recent actions can in any way be seen as reasonable and unbiased?


I look forward to your prompt response.

Yours Faithfully

Andy Worth

Chairperson SST

Copy to:

Nigel Huddleston MP Minister of Sport
Damian Collins MP
Lisa Nandy MP
Davi Rutley MP


A bad case of verbal dioreah.
 
I don't think Macc are quite in the same 'cheats' league as the likes of Wednesday or Derby though. As far as I'm aware they are just badly run and haven't paid all their wages. It's not like they are trying creative accounting tricks to get round wage regulations...

Not in the same league maybe but cheats all the same. Aren't all the clubs badly run that are cheating. The only difference is the scale of cheating.
 
The point is there is a punishment for whatever Macclesfield have done, call it cheating or whatever, that is handed by an Independent Panel. Is it right then for the EFL and the majority of clubs to then favour one club over another and through dishonest means increase the penalty handed down by that panel. Even if Macclesfield deserve to go down does the end justify the means and where do you draw the line in the future.
 
I have a headache after trying to follow that. The EFL is not fit for purpose we all know that. However, Macclesfield's claim that Stevenage should go down because they were the worst over the season having only won 3 games misses the point that they cheated and if the penalty puts them below Stevenage so be it or what is the point of the penalty. Wigan will be appealing their 12 points on that basis. Scotty got the solution in another thread. Stop cheating then at the end of the season we know who is up and who is down without the intervention of the Lawyers. I am sick to death of clubs moaning about the EFL being responsible for the state of their clubs due to owners passing the fit and proper test. Their needs to be due diligence by the clubs before new owners take over and long before it gets to the EFL for their approval.
It doesn't miss the point at all and that's not necessarily their argument.

Their main argument is that they have already been penalised to the tune of 16 points, rather than the 13 they should have had if the EFL calculated their PPG correctly and fairly and that they're clearly not being treated fairly or consistently when compared to other clubs. Then add that they have several L2 sides trying to save Stevenage because they believe them to be more likely to complete a season than Macc and it starts to look as though it's Macc vs L2 and that isn't how it should be.

I am sick to death of clubs moaning about the EFL being responsible for the state of their clubs due to owners passing the fit and proper test. Their needs to be due diligence by the clubs before new owners take over and long before it gets to the EFL for their approval.
You're assuming that previous owners are interested in who was taking the club over. As long as they get their money and/or get out, they're probably not that fussed. And therein lies the problem. People are allowed to run up debts within a club and leave their mess behind. There should be more accountability and comeback on owners who spend, spend, spend and leave.
 
As ever, there is a misconception that the EFL can simply tighten up the Owners' and Directors' Test. It is up to their member clubs to do that because any change to the rules must be voted on and accepted by a majority. It would certainly make it far harder for owners to sell their clubs, and turkeys tend not to vote for Christmas. On that basis alone, it is very unlikely that clubs would support any significant changes to the rules.

Secondly, the process has inherent problems that the EFL cannot do much about. How do you conduct extensive financial and personal checks on a potential Chinese owner, for example? Information like that is extremely hard to come by. Any attempt at tightening the rules could ultimately prevent perfectly valid overseas investment in clubs, and could even be viewed as racist in the current climate. It would also be easy to stray into illegality, and even into the area of moral judgement. And there is no suggestion that even a far stricter test would have prevented the likes of Next Leader Fund LP (the company that bought Wigan before entering administration after four weeks) from making a successful acquisition.

This is not as simple as some people like to think.
 
As ever, there is a misconception that the EFL can simply tighten up the Owners' and Directors' Test. It is up to their member clubs to do that because any change to the rules must be voted on and accepted by a majority. It would certainly make it far harder for owners to sell their clubs, and turkeys tend not to vote for Christmas. On that basis alone, it is very unlikely that clubs would support any significant changes to the rules.

Secondly, the process has inherent problems that the EFL cannot do much about. How do you conduct extensive financial and personal checks on a potential Chinese owner, for example? Information like that is extremely hard to come by. Any attempt at tightening the rules could ultimately prevent perfectly valid overseas investment in clubs, and could even be viewed as racist in the current climate. It would also be easy to stray into illegality, and even into the area of moral judgement. And there is no suggestion that even a far stricter test would have prevented the likes of Next Leader Fund LP (the company that bought Wigan before entering administration after four weeks) from making a successful acquisition.

This is not as simple as some people like to think.


Agreed it's very hard to assess new owners, and the dodgier they are, it's more likely to be harder to find out about their dodginess.

So, maybe there needs to be more expelling of clubs going on, and much much faster than happened eventually with Bury.
If a dodgy owner knew that once his dodginess was found out, that his newly purchased club would then be chucked out and effectively rendered worthless, then maybe the dodgy owner might be put off buying the club in the first place and there'd be less dodginess around.
 
Agreed it's very hard to assess new owners, and the dodgier they are, it's more likely to be harder to find out about their dodginess.

So, maybe there needs to be more expelling of clubs going on, and much much faster than happened eventually with Bury.
If a dodgy owner knew that once his dodginess was found out, that his newly purchased club would then be chucked out and effectively rendered worthless, then maybe the dodgy owner might be put off buying the club in the first place and there'd be less dodginess around.

That all sounds a bit dodgy to me (as Norman Vaughan may say)
 
Anyone think the EFL will have sorted who plays in what Division before the (potential) league start date in seven weeks time?
 
Anyone think the EFL will have sorted who plays in what Division before the (potential) league start date in seven weeks time?

The independent panel haven’t issued any indication of if or when they will make any decision
Added on to that will be the timescales to submit any appeal and thereafter the timescales to hear it and make a decision
Not knowing what the league’s look like is a job stopper
Nothing can occur for creating fixtures as it’s all built around neighbouring clubs policing/stewards and local council requirements
The biggest issues will be around revenue streams to base a squad value on - as well as changes to contracts if any relegation terms are applied
‘‘Tis a right mare’
 
The independent panel haven’t issued any indication of if or when they will make any decision
Added on to that will be the timescales to submit any appeal and thereafter the timescales to hear it and make a decision
Not knowing what the league’s look like is a job stopper
Nothing can occur for creating fixtures as it’s all built around neighbouring clubs policing/stewards and local council requirements
The biggest issues will be around revenue streams to base a squad value on - as well as changes to contracts if any relegation terms are applied
‘‘Tis a right mare’
Just confirmed league starts on 12 September.
Several decisions to be made, with time required for appeals. How do teams prepare not knowing what league they are in (e.g. Barnsley or Charlton have done nothing wrong but could see a quick change of division; never mind not knowing if you are in League 2 or the National League!).