MacAtee

[AdebolaCornflakes]

Most important part of our summer is having the right manager in place. Our appointments (and some poor investment in new players) are what have cost us this season. Get Silva in, sell Anderson and probably have to be Murillo and use the money properly to build a decent squad.

I said in the summer we banked too much on potential and not enough on proven quality. Ship out Ndoye, McAtee for hopefully £35m, add it to the funds from Anderson and Murillo and be sensible in signing both established and potential players.

Sadly, I’m questioning whether we’ll have the chance to do that given the way it’s panning out

What worries me is that I don't think selling 1 or 2 excellent players with a view to replacing them with 6/7/8 'decent' players ever works.

I think back to when Spurs sold Bale and used the money to basically buy a whole new XI but they were still worse off. It's really difficult to replace top quality - and you can't replace quality with quantity.

 

[Basha73]

Most important part of our summer is having the right manager in place. Our appointments (and some poor investment in new players) are what have cost us this season. Get Silva in, sell Anderson and probably have to be Murillo and use the money properly to build a decent squad.

I said in the summer we banked too much on potential and not enough on proven quality. Ship out Ndoye, McAtee for hopefully £35m, add it to the funds from Anderson and Murillo and be sensible in signing both established and potential players.

Sadly, I’m questioning whether we’ll have the chance to do that given the way it’s panning out

What worries me is that I don't think selling 1 or 2 excellent players with a view to replacing them with 6/7/8 'decent' players ever works.

I think back to when Spurs sold Bale and used the money to basically buy a whole new XI but they were still worse off. It's really difficult to replace top quality - and you can't replace quality with quantity.

I am not sure how much choice we will have. Even if we stay up, plenty of the players will want to go while others we will want to move on.

It’s then about spending wisely which we don’t have the best of records for…

 

[the jock]

What worries me is that I don't think selling 1 or 2 excellent players with a view to replacing them with 6/7/8 'decent' players ever works.

I think back to when Spurs sold Bale and used the money to basically buy a whole new XI but they were still worse off. It's really difficult to replace top quality - and you can't replace quality with quantity.

when we sold cash to villa we wasted most of the 14mill

the only good buy was mckenna for 3mill. the rest was wasted.

harry arter
mbe soh
Ioannou
bachirou
guerrero
lyle taylor (big wages)
freeman
blackett

 

[AdebolaCornflakes]

when we sold cash to villa we wasted most of the 14mill

the only good buy was mckenna for 3mill. the rest was wasted.

harry arter
mbe soh
Ioannou
bachirou
guerrero
lyle taylor (big wages)
freeman
blackett

I'd completely forgotten about at least 6 of those

 

[Will.NFFC]

What worries me is that I don't think selling 1 or 2 excellent players with a view to replacing them with 6/7/8 'decent' players ever works.

I think back to when Spurs sold Bale and used the money to basically buy a whole new XI but they were still worse off. It's really difficult to replace top quality - and you can't replace quality with quantity.

Assuming we can invest the entire amount from player sales, we can still sign some very good players. But yes, i think unfortunately we just aren’t anyway near competent enough not to do a Tottenham. I find it odd how Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth can have a 1/10th of the resources we have and yet generally always recruit well whilst being selling clubs.

Surely it cannot be too hard to try and follow a similar model - I don’t mean become xG gimps but at least an actual system for recruitment.

I mean honestly, what was the actual thinking behind spending 35 million Great British pounds on a 25 year old Dan Ndoye playing in Italy with a completely average CV and stats to match? I argued a lot with people about that signing, but all he’s done is showcase exactly what he’s capable of… which is not a lot. But why did Forest think he could do more? He isn’t 21. He didn’t cost £10m where it was low risk. It was a completely awful deal from the off.

Meawhile, Bournemouth sign Rayan for £10m, who’s 19, has 2 goals and an assist in 4 games - more than Ndoye in 20 games and looks a real threat.

 

[the jock]

I'd completely forgotten about at least 6 of those

trauma

 

[Basha73]

Assuming we can invest the entire amount from player sales, we can still sign some very good players. But yes, i think unfortunately we just aren’t anyway near competent enough not to do a Tottenham. I find it odd how Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth can have a 1/10th of the resources we have and yet generally always recruit well whilst being selling clubs.

Surely it cannot be too hard to try and follow a similar model - I don’t mean become xG gimps but at least an actual system for recruitment.

I mean honestly, what was the actual thinking behind spending 35 million Great British pounds on a 25 year old Dan Ndoye playing in Italy with a completely average CV and stats to match? I argued a lot with people about that signing, but all he’s done is showcase exactly what he’s capable of… which is not a lot. But why did Forest think he could do more? He isn’t 21. He didn’t cost £10m where it was low risk. It was a completely awful deal from the off.

Meawhile, Bournemouth sign Rayan for £10m, who’s 19, has 2 goals and an assist in 4 games - more than Ndoye in 20 games and looks a real threat.

That argument only works if every transfer Bournemouth (or Brentford or Brighton) make succeeds while all of ours fail.

CHO, Elanga, Aina, Murillo, Anderson, Milo have all come in for reasonable fees and done well. Sels wasn’t expensive and Neco looks more of a bargain as time goes on.

This season it has been a shitshow but we are capable of signing good players, we just need the right person in charge of recruitment which probably isn’t Edu.

 

[finbar70]

Assuming we can invest the entire amount from player sales, we can still sign some very good players. But yes, i think unfortunately we just aren’t anyway near competent enough not to do a Tottenham. I find it odd how Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth can have a 1/10th of the resources we have and yet generally always recruit well whilst being selling clubs.

Surely it cannot be too hard to try and follow a similar model - I don’t mean become xG gimps but at least an actual system for recruitment.

I mean honestly, what was the actual thinking behind spending 35 million Great British pounds on a 25 year old Dan Ndoye playing in Italy with a completely average CV and stats to match? I argued a lot with people about that signing, but all he’s done is showcase exactly what he’s capable of… which is not a lot. But why did Forest think he could do more? He isn’t 21. He didn’t cost £10m where it was low risk. It was a completely awful deal from the off.

Meawhile, Bournemouth sign Rayan for £10m, who’s 19, has 2 goals and an assist in 4 games - more than Ndoye in 20 games and looks a real threat.

Bournemouth have just proven this by selling 4 key starters, plus losing their own loan goalie - Kerkez, Huijsen, Zabarnyi, Kepa and Semenyo.

I am resigned to losing Ando and Murillo, and hoping that doesnt extend to MGW, but could well do.

We should be looking to sell Savona, Morato, John, and possibly Sels.
We should hopefully extend Ortega and Sangare

Ndoye will be gone for sure. Decisions on McAtee and Bakwa. If MGW stays then we know there's a market for McAtee.

We cannot sell Dom, Milo, our FBs, Jesus or Sangare.

Will, Rayan was 30m, not 10m. I would swap Ndoye for Fratessi and sell McAtee personally

 

[finbar70]

That argument only works if every transfer Bournemouth (or Brentford or Brighton) make succeeds while all of ours fail.

CHO, Elanga, Aina, Murillo, Anderson, Milo have all come in for reasonable fees and done well. Sels wasn’t expensive and Neco looks more of a bargain as time goes on.

This season it has been a shitshow but we are capable of signing good players, we just need the right person in charge of recruitment which probably isn’t Edu.

Totally agree. And unless we win the EL, we will back to no more midweek games

 

[Will.NFFC]

That argument only works if every transfer Bournemouth (or Brentford or Brighton) make succeeds while all of ours fail.

CHO, Elanga, Aina, Murillo, Anderson, Milo have all come in for reasonable fees and done well. Sels wasn’t expensive and Neco looks more of a bargain as time goes on.

This season it has been a shitshow but we are capable of signing good players, we just need the right person in charge of recruitment which probably isn’t Edu.

I didn’t say all our recruitment was poor, but most of the players you’ve mentioned tick the original boxes - either; proven, (played at this level at least) young, or come in for a reasonable/risk averse fee.

Aina - free, proven
Elanga - £15m, 21 YO
Murillo - £10m, 21 YO
Anderson - £15m, 21 YO
Milenkovic - £12m, proven
CHO - £3m, 22 YO

£55m for those 6 brilliant first teamers

Compare that to some of this summers business

McAtee - £30m, 23 and unproven
Dan Ndoye - £35m, 25 and unproven
Hutchinson (who I don’t dislike), £38m, 21… not proven enough to represent that value.

McAtee and ndoye alone cost more than the 6 I’ve mentioned above.

You could throw in Bakwa for the price but I fully accept that sometimes you pay a bit for potential

My issue is we’ve bought a lot of ‘potential’ players but at full price… now it hasn’t worked for some (which I’ve said I thought was obvious with a couple)… so what now?

 

[Basha73]

I didn’t say all our recruitment was poor, but most of the players you’ve mentioned tick the original boxes - either; proven, (played at this level at least) young, or come in for a reasonable/risk averse fee.

Aina - free, proven
Elanga - £15m, 21 YO
Murillo - £10m, 21 YO
Anderson - £15m, 21 YO
Milenkovic - £12m, proven
CHO - £3m, 22 YO

£52m for those 6 brilliant first teamers

Compare that to some of this summers business

McAtee - £30m, 23 and unproven
Dan Ndoye - £35m, 25 and unproven
Hutchinson (who I don’t dislike), £38m, 21… not proven to represent that value.

McAtee and ndoye alone cost more than the 6 I’ve mentioned above.

You could throw in Bakwa for the price but I fully accept that sometimes you pay a bit for potential

My issue is we’ve bought a lot of ‘potential’ players but at full price… now it hasn’t worked for some (which I’ve said I thought was obvious with a couple)… so what now?

I don’t disagree but then I said at the start that I was hoping we would also sign a more physical winger. Of the Semenyo or Antonio ilk that are quick, powerful and can score. It’s why, for the right price I would have taken Traore or McNeil even though neither is to big on goals.

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but I would have signed hutch and then brought in some experience. I would also have signed Fernandes rather than Luiz.

 

[Will.NFFC]

Bournemouth have just proven this by selling 4 key starters, plus losing their own loan goalie - Kerkez, Huijsen, Zabarnyi, Kepa and Semenyo.

I am resigned to losing Ando and Murillo, and hoping that doesnt extend to MGW, but could well do.

We should be looking to sell Savona, Morato, John, and possibly Sels.
We should hopefully extend Ortega and Sangare

Ndoye will be gone for sure. Decisions on McAtee and Bakwa. If MGW stays then we know there's a market for McAtee.

We cannot sell Dom, Milo, our FBs, Jesus or Sangare.

Will, Rayan was 30m, not 10m. I would swap Ndoye for Fratessi and sell McAtee personally

He was £24m, my bad, but still £10m less than Ndoye and already better.

 

[Will.NFFC]

I don’t disagree but then I said at the start that I was hoping we would also sign a more physical winger. Of the Semenyo or Antonio ilk that are quick, powerful and can score. It’s why, for the right price I would have taken Traore or McNeil even though neither is to big on goals.

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but I would have signed hutch and then brought in some experience. I would also have signed Fernandes rather than Luiz.

Exactly. Potential is great if it’s supplemented with some tried and tested. We’ve been a bit too clever in my opinion and it’s cost us.

The lack of scoring ability amongst the £150m spent on attacking players is frankly embarrassing. It’s why I wonder what the hell staff paid to recruit were thinking. McAtee, Ndoye, Bakwa and Hutchinson look very championship in front of goal.

 

[Basha73]

Exactly. Potential is great if it’s supplemented with some tried and tested. We’ve been a bit too clever in my opinion and it’s cost us.

The lack of scoring ability amongst the £150m spent on attacking players is frankly embarrassing. It’s why I wonder what the hell staff paid to recruit were thinking. McAtee, Ndoye, Bakwa and Hutchinson look very championship in front of goal.

I think if Hutch puts the work in, he has the ability to get into double figures but we are a few seasons away from that.

Ndoye wants out so sell him and see what whoever is in charge thinks of Bakwa and McAtee in the summer albeit I expect them to move on too.

I would also have a bit more of a look in the Championship as there are a few players in there that could easily step up with the right players around them.

 

[LynxRed]

Exactly. Potential is great if it’s supplemented with some tried and tested. We’ve been a bit too clever in my opinion and it’s cost us.

The lack of scoring ability amongst the £150m spent on attacking players is frankly embarrassing. It’s why I wonder what the hell staff paid to recruit were thinking. McAtee, Ndoye, Bakwa and Hutchinson look very championship in front of goal.

The only good thing about a failed signing with "potential" is there is usually another team somewhere who thinks they can bring that potential out and will take the punt.

 

[BlackGold]

Bournemouth have just proven this by selling 4 key starters, plus losing their own loan goalie - Kerkez, Huijsen, Zabarnyi, Kepa and Semenyo.

I am resigned to losing Ando and Murillo, and hoping that doesnt extend to MGW, but could well do.

We should be looking to sell Savona, Morato, John, and possibly Sels.
We should hopefully extend Ortega and Sangare

Ndoye will be gone for sure. Decisions on McAtee and Bakwa. If MGW stays then we know there's a market for McAtee.

We cannot sell Dom, Milo, our FBs, Jesus or Sangare.

Will, Rayan was 30m, not 10m. I would swap Ndoye for Fratessi and sell McAtee personally

<Thinks>

So, only losing 10 players?

Interesting.

SA

 

[finbar70]

I didn’t say all our recruitment was poor, but most of the players you’ve mentioned tick the original boxes - either; proven, (played at this level at least) young, or come in for a reasonable/risk averse fee.

Aina - free, proven
Elanga - £15m, 21 YO
Murillo - £10m, 21 YO
Anderson - £15m, 21 YO
Milenkovic - £12m, proven
CHO - £3m, 22 YO

£55m for those 6 brilliant first teamers

Compare that to some of this summers business

McAtee - £30m, 23 and unproven
Dan Ndoye - £35m, 25 and unproven
Hutchinson (who I don’t dislike), £38m, 21… not proven enough to represent that value.

McAtee and ndoye alone cost more than the 6 I’ve mentioned above.

You could throw in Bakwa for the price but I fully accept that sometimes you pay a bit for potential

My issue is we’ve bought a lot of ‘potential’ players but at full price… now it hasn’t worked for some (which I’ve said I thought was obvious with a couple)… so what now?

McAtee was 22m, rising to 30m which will likely never happen.

 

[finbar70]

<Thinks>

So, only losing 10 players?

Interesting.

SA

We have 2 or 3 which are inevitable, and then we have 4 or 5 who we wouldn't miss at all and likely want out anyway - John, Morato, Savona, Ndoye and possibly Sels/MAtee

We signed 13 last summer, when I think most of us wanted 6 or 7 good quality additions. I dont think anyone on here foresaw 13 new players coming in.

 

[finbar70]

I think if Hutch puts the work in, he has the ability to get into double figures but we are a few seasons away from that.

Ndoye wants out so sell him and see what whoever is in charge thinks of Bakwa and McAtee in the summer albeit I expect them to move on too.

I would also have a bit more of a look in the Championship as there are a few players in there that could easily step up with the right players around them.

Hackney is one, but likely he will be in the prem with Boro

 

[BlackGold]

We have 2 or 3 which are inevitable, and then we have 4 or 5 who we wouldn't miss at all and likely want out anyway - John, Morato, Savona, Ndoye and possibly Sels/MAtee

We signed 13 last summer, when I think most of us wanted 6 or 7 good quality additions. I dont think anyone on here foresaw 13 new players coming in.

No, just clarifying the numbers stack up: changing 40% of the squad. Cool.