Loan Players

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BodyButter

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To be honest, I'm uncomfortable with Aston Villa taking players on loan. I know it's worked out pretty well with Johnstone and Snodgrass too. If it was an emergency situation, I'd have no problem with it but unless there is an agreement to sign the player or at least the intention on all sides that a successful loan will lead to a permanent signing, I think we are selling the club short.

We had the exact same situation with Kyle Walker coming from Spurs a few years ago.

Onomah is now talking about going back to Spurs at the end of season. I don't think he's good enough for us in the Championship and he's probably in the wrong position. Given that we have at least 3 players who could do a better job than Josh in that position (Grealish, Hourihane and Landsbury), I just can't see the point in playing him. Why are we developing players for Spurs? Do we owe them something?
 
This was my view about Onomah on Friday night. He was not really interested and has his mind on a return to Spurs - where incidentally he will not get a game because he is not good enough. He is keeping our own players such as Grealish and Lansbury out of the team and that is unacceptable. I agree that whilst they were both injured we needed cover but we have Callum O'Hare who needs game time and is the same age as Onomah - so it is not an experience issue.

Send him back to Spurs as soon as possible and if that cannot be done, then play him from the bench and have Villa players in the team.

With regards to Snodgrass and Johnstone, they both want to be at Villa. Snodgrass want to play for Bruce and does not want to go back to West Ham and Johnstone knows that getting first team football at Manure is never going to happen for quite a while yet with De Gea, Pereira and Romero occupying the places ahead of him.
 
Snodgrass has seemed really committed and bang up for it. His reaction to when he was bought off against Sheffield Wednesday showed that. Also he has been the last to leave the pitch at the end of the game applauding the supporters where onomah doesn't seem as involved and although he was very good against qpr I don't think he has done anything grealish can't do. Johnstone I would keep all day long he has a big future in my opinion.
 
Not too bothered for now. If Onomah stays then play him if others are injured. That way he might realise he needs to work for a place.

However, I'd also be inclined to give Tshibola the odd outing, to see if he's worth keeping or not.
 
No. We have some character and bottle in the team now and tshibola doesn't seem to have either. To flakey for me.
 
For me, we should only take loan players with the view that if they work out with us, we have option to buy, but they must be better than what we've already got. As others have said, it's no use getting them up to speed for the parent club to benefit, a'la Kyle Walker as already mentioned.

As for Tshibola, if he can't hack it at MK Dons, what chance with us? With all due respect to the guy, he went to them to build his confidence, get some needed game time, and what happened? Jettison is the word that comes to mind.

 
There is talk about us making a move for Oli McBurnie of Swansea City. WHO? Was my first reaction.

He can't get into the Swansea team who are currently bottom of the premiership and who are struggling to score. If he can't get into their team, what good is he going to be to us FFS??!!!

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/swansea-city-striker-oli-mcburnie-13988517

 
I'm not too bothered by us loaning players in so long as they are committed whilst they are at the club. I'd much prefer us give our own youngsters an opportunity of course but I could say that about most of the mediocre permanent signings we've made.

It is annoying to hear Onomha talking up his return to spurs but to be honest Johnstone and Snodgrass will be out of here like a shot if we aren't promoted. It's just the nature of these loan deals.
 
Snodgrass would sign for us in a heartbeat I expect , in saying that I think he hogs the ball too much and delivers little . Can't fault his commitment but unless he start actually crossing the ball earlier I don't think Davis will start scoring .

Onomah a cold night in Leeds enough said , he'll have a rude awakening when he signs for Brentford in 18 months time . No way he will be anywhere near the Spurs first team in my humble.

I really want to see our own kids like O'Hare given a go , he's full of skill and movement and that's being stifled by this prima donna
 
Villan57 - 3/12/2017 22:50

Onomah a cold night in Leeds enough said , he'll have a rude awakening when he signs for Brentford in 18 months time . No way he will be anywhere near the Spurs first team in my humble.

I really want to see our own kids like O'Hare given a go , he's full of skill and movement and that's being stifled by this prima donna
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Can't agree more with the sentiments in this thread. We have a lot of players leaving at the end of the season and we need to be preparing our stars of the future now. Look at how Davis has transformed us from a team that looked as if it couldn't create anything.

I get that we have a format for grinding out results - this is Bruce all over, but we need to start integrating the younger players now otherwise they will not be ready should we gain promotion. The Wolves players who have shone are mostly 20ish.
 
Not sure where to put this, but... it looks like Melbourne City have probably lost Ross McCormack for the rest of the season.

Scans in the next couple of days will confirm if he has a torn anterior cruciate ligament.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/melbourne-city-set-to-lose-ross-mccormack-for-the-rest-of-the-aleague-season-20171215-h05qjt.html

 
Hate the loan system, it shouldn't be allowed. It is selling the club(s) short and the fans.

I understand using the system if the rules say you can but I think it's tin pot.

If loans are allowed, the rule should say at least one league in-between the club loaning out the player and the club taking them. Certainly there should be no loans in the same league.

PL could only loan to League One.. etc
 
The Fear - 16/12/2017 18:18

Hate the loan system, it shouldn't be allowed. It is selling the club(s) short and the fans.

I understand using the system if the rules say you can but I think it's tin pot.

If loans are allowed, the rule should say at least one league in-between the club loaning out the player and the club taking them. Certainly there should be no loans in the same league.

PL could only loan to League One.. etc
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Why do you think that? Wouldn't different leagues be enough?
 
Villan57 - 3/12/2017 22:50



I really want to see our own kids like O'Hare given a go , he's full of skill and movement and that's being stifled by this prima donna
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I totally agree.

The only problem for the lad is he is so full of movement he highlights how bad the others are around him.

I find it very frustrating to watch Villa's lack of movement both on and off the ball and it's something SB and coaches really should have sorted out by now.

Other teams close down better and pass and move better than us which is wrong.
 
Although I think loans can be useful to a club in our position and certainly Johnstone has worked out for us very nicely I do agree with Fear. I'd much prefer we'd give our own youngsters a chance.

I've nothing against Onomha and think he's a good young player who could go on to be a very good player at a high level but in reality he's blocking our own youngsters. Callum O'Hare or Jake Doyle-Hayes could have gotten more game time this season, 2 of our own who are going to be here next year.

I also think some sort of ban on loans would stop teams like Chelsea stock piling young players and just loaning them out till they decide to sell them or promote them.
 
Don't Chelsea have something like 34 players out on loan? Hoarding players like that has to be bad for their development.

I think loans can be useful. Johnstone is a great example. Even if he doesn't sign for us at the end of season, it will have worked out well for all sides.

 
The only issue I have with the loan system is when some of the rich clubs (Chelsea) stockpile players just to loan them out so they can stop anyone else buying them

But I have no real problem with loaning players. If you need a temporary solution for a season or half then it works and can benefit all parties involved. It also gives younger players chance to develop at a lower level than their current clubs.

I’m sure we have benefitted from sending young players out to “lesser” clubs on loan to develop. In fact we have players out on loan now. Why should those clubs develop our players? Do they owe us something?

A lot of the negativity surrounding it comes from people who can’t accept what position we are in. Spurs are far better than us and their youth players can go straight into our first team. Therefore it is beneficial for us to take Spurs players on loan and to develop them ourselves
 
"The only issue I have with the loan system is when some of the rich clubs (Chelsea) stockpile players just to loan them out so they can stop anyone else buying them "

Loans should have to be to a lower level or abroad
Premier league teams should not be able to lend players to other premier league teams or Championship to other Championship teams unless there is an option to buy included [ie it is a trial not a development project]

Lending players abroad seems a good development philosophy, too few Brits play abroad.
 
I’ve seen Onomah play maybe one or two games where i’d rate him more than 7 out of 10, I do not rate him, his ego is bigger than his potential and like someone else said he’ll end up at Barnet when he’s 25. I’m glad I’m not on my own with that view, when I’m at VP listening to people around me I thought I was on my own with my thoughts
 
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